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  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 2,975 Mod ✭✭✭✭LoGiE


    schmoo2k wrote: »
    When running a speed test over Wi-Fi (with a 1GB connection) you're not testing your broadbands raw speed, but rather testing your Wi-Fi capabilities.

    (I suspect LoGIE knows this, but more a reminder for some others...)

    Yep, that's it exactly. I've found nPerf useful as it can basically tell me what standard I've connected at (n/ac/ax), which in turn basically tells me if I'm connecting to my closest AP. To get the best picture of the speeds you're getting from you ISP you really should be wired to the router though.

    You have to wonder how many folks are losing their rag over their broadband being slow or not getting the speeds they've been sold because of their own equipment. The router supplied by VM is not capable of delivering the 1Gb speeds wirelessly end of the story.

    When I was using Netgear Orbi's I was seeing wifi 5 (ac) speeds of 620Mbps - 650Mbps which was fantastic and about 910Mbps on the router.

    Using my UDM Pro and U6-Lite/U6-LR I am seeing wifi 6 (ax) speeds hitting 836Mbps on my ax devices and 974Mbps on the router.

    If you want to see higher connection speeds wirelessly you're going to have to upgrade the equipment in your home.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,169 ✭✭✭✭ED E


    LoGiE wrote: »
    You have to wonder how many folks are losing their rag over their broadband being slow or not getting the speeds they've been sold because of their own equipment. The router supplied by VM is not capable of delivering the 1Gb speeds wirelessly end of the story.

    We've seen quite a few posts here with just that. Old 2013 gear with N300 WLAN adapters or DELLs with Smartbyte. You can bet if we've seen 10 posts VMs helpdesk is seeing thousands of calls. Same for the FTTH OLOs.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,899 ✭✭✭S.E.A.L.s


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68 ✭✭allanroche


    ED E wrote: »
    We've seen quite a few posts here with just that. Old 2013 gear with N300 WLAN adapters or DELLs with Smartbyte. You can bet if we've seen 10 posts VMs helpdesk is seeing thousands of calls. Same for the FTTH OLOs.


    My equipment is an Edgerouter 4 and two access points wired throughout the house. My issue is not so much with the download speeds varying so much, I can cope with that that, it's the latency I experience and my terrible upload speed that can be crippling at times.


    For example, here is my speed test just this minute from Blacknight https://www.speedtest.net/my-result/d/279313210

    I will point out that's wired and through the Speedtest app


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 80 ✭✭slith


    Does anyone know how to get the VM Hub 2.0 into modem mode? I got mine installed early January and before the engineer installed it I plugged it in myself to have a look, I was delighted to see a modem mode option as I have my own mesh system that I'm very happy about.

    So, engineer did his job and after he left I checked the router admin page just to find that I cannot, for the life of me, find the modem mode option again.

    Really annoying because now I am in a double NAT. I could change my mesh system into being an AP-only, but I would lose many of the extra features of the mesh system...


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  • Registered Users Posts: 244 ✭✭La Haine


    You probably need to ring Virgin and have them switch you to IPV4.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 80 ✭✭slith


    La Haine wrote: »
    You probably need to ring Virgin and have them switch you to IPV4.

    Is that what is blocking the modem mode?

    Any major drawbacks of reverting to ipv4?


  • Registered Users Posts: 244 ✭✭La Haine


    slith wrote: »
    Is that what is blocking the modem mode?

    Any major drawbacks of reverting to ipv4?

    IPv4 uses a 32-bit address for its Internet addresses. ... IPv6 utilizes 128-bit Internet addresses. Therefore, it can support 2^128 Internet addresses—340,282,366,920,938,463,463,374,607,431,768,211,456 of them to be exact. The number of IPv6 addresses is 1028 times larger than the number of IPv4 addresses.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,337 ✭✭✭pizzahead77


    slith wrote: »
    Is that what is blocking the modem mode?

    Any major drawbacks of reverting to ipv4?

    No, there's no drawbacks of reverting to ipv4 - it gives you more flexability in the modem


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 80 ✭✭slith


    No, there's no drawbacks of reverting to ipv4 - it gives you more flexability in the modem

    I bit the bullet and switched my own mesh to AP-only, no work from home on a Sunday so best day to ruin my network. I had assumed my port-forwarding woes were related to the fact that I had a double NAT. But I was wrong.

    - I still cannot get port forwarding to work (does anyone know what the 'IP and port filtering' section is for?)
    - Cannot properly configure the VM Modem DHCP server, nor turn the DHCPv6 off.

    I guess I'll be moving to IPv4. I wonder why the modem is so restricted in IPv6 mode.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,169 ✭✭✭✭ED E


    La Haine wrote: »
    IPv4 uses a 32-bit address for its Internet addresses. ... IPv6 utilizes 128-bit Internet addresses. Therefore, it can support 2^128 Internet addresses—340,282,366,920,938,463,463,374,607,431,768,211,456 of them to be exact. The number of IPv6 addresses is 1028 times larger than the number of IPv4 addresses.

    10/10 for answering the wrong question.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,169 ✭✭✭✭ED E


    slith wrote: »
    I bit the bullet and switched my own mesh to AP-only, no work from home on a Sunday so best day to ruin my network. I had assumed my port-forwarding woes were related to the fact that I had a double NAT. But I was wrong.

    - I still cannot get port forwarding to work (does anyone know what the 'IP and port filtering' section is for?)
    - Cannot properly configure the VM Modem DHCP server, nor turn the DHCPv6 off.

    I guess I'll be moving to IPv4. I wonder why the modem is so restricted in IPv6 mode.

    Its not in IPv6 mode, its in DSLite mode. You share one IPv4 address with with n other customers . Saves VM a few cents and cripples your connection.
    allanroche wrote: »
    My equipment is an Edgerouter 4 and two access points wired throughout the house. My issue is not so much with the download speeds varying so much, I can cope with that that, it's the latency I experience and my terrible upload speed that can be crippling at times.

    Weird, I wonder if they allocated all the channels to DS and left US starved. 1GB DOCSIS is a bit of a stretch so wouldnt be shocking.


  • Registered Users Posts: 75 ✭✭johndanielmoore


    La Haine wrote: »
    IPv4 uses a 32-bit address for its Internet addresses. ... IPv6 utilizes 128-bit Internet addresses. Therefore, it can support 2^128 Internet addresses—340,282,366,920,938,463,463,374,607,431,768,211,456 of them to be exact. The number of IPv6 addresses is 1028 times larger than the number of IPv4 addresses.
    Your maths is out.
    2^128 = 2^32*2^96
    Therefore IPv6 is 2^96(79,228,162,514,264,337,593,543,950,336) times larger than the number of IPv4 address


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,337 ✭✭✭CoBo55


    @slith never mind the lads here rubbing their ego's, as was advised earlier contact VM and ask to be changed to an ipv4 ip, if the router is broadcasting that horizon wi free or whatever it's called ask for that to be disabled too. I did it through the chat service. Make sure to follow the modem reset procedure accurately, it took me a few stabs to get it to show modem mode.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68 ✭✭allanroche


    ED E wrote: »
    Weird, I wonder if they allocated all the channels to DS and left US starved. 1GB DOCSIS is a bit of a stretch so wouldnt be shocking.


    Genuinely starting to believe this. Every few evenings now and almost every Wednesday like clockwork between 8pm to 11pm my connection seems to drop to 200 down and 15 up. No amount of restarts fixes it and talking to neighbours it seems to be widespread in the area with most using their own equipment.



    I have called VM a couple of times about it but they refuse to even engage let alone check the lines if you're in modem mode.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,337 ✭✭✭Consonata


    Having a hellish time with Eir, so we're looking at shifting over to VM. Do VM operate on different lines to Eir, in which case is there a chance we could gigabit with them that we couldn't get with Eir?


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Help & Feedback Category Moderators Posts: 25,518 CMod ✭✭✭✭Spear


    Consonata wrote: »
    Having a hellish time with Eir, so we're looking at shifting over to VM. Do VM operate on different lines to Eir, in which case is there a chance we could gigabit with them that we couldn't get with Eir?

    VM use their own cable network, not the phone lines. So no overlap at all.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 80 ✭✭slith


    CoBo55 wrote: »
    @slith never mind the lads here rubbing their ego's, as was advised earlier contact VM and ask to be changed to an ipv4 ip, if the router is broadcasting that horizon wi free or whatever it's called ask for that to be disabled too. I did it through the chat service. Make sure to follow the modem reset procedure accurately, it took me a few stabs to get it to show modem mode.

    Hehe, thanks.

    Yeah, I turned off the Wifi (and wifree) in the VM modem early on. Since I'll go modem-only I am guessing all wifi capabilities will be gone, wifree as well.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,905 ✭✭✭deravarra


    apologies for coming in on this - but has the 1gb service now improved? Especially with the Hub2 modem?
    At the start, lots of people in this thread were having issues. Have all of those been resolved?
    I am tempted to jump to 1gbps but wouldn't bother if the service isnt stable


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,386 ✭✭✭schmoo2k


    deravarra wrote: »
    apologies for coming in on this - but has the 1gb service now improved? Especially with the Hub2 modem?
    At the start, lots of people in this thread were having issues. Have all of those been resolved?
    I am tempted to jump to 1gbps but wouldn't bother if the service isnt stable

    Once I switched to modem mode I have been happy...


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,905 ✭✭✭deravarra


    schmoo2k wrote: »
    Once I switched to modem mode I have been happy...

    no or little downtime?

    With me working from home a lot, I would need a very stable connection. I cannot be spending ages to get the set up perfect.

    My current setup is with the white HUB 3 in modem modem, and getting 510-520 Mbps over wifi via an Orbi RBK 53S on a 500 Mbps pack.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,337 ✭✭✭CoBo55


    deravarra wrote: »
    no or little downtime?

    With me working from home a lot, I would need a very stable connection. I cannot be spending ages to get the set up perfect.

    My current setup is with the white HUB 3 in modem modem, and getting 510-520 Mbps over wifi via an Orbi RBK 53S on a 500 Mbps pack.

    If it ain't broke....


  • Registered Users Posts: 285 ✭✭jelem


    Also this is only available to a very small percentage of users with the correct Fibre\cable.and area near to
    cabinet --
    eir wayback before 2016 advertise efibre ssign up get connected ---lol such a f___ lie still in dublin and old phone line.
    Eir refuse to provide cable\fibre capable of over 20Mb.
    roll out has corrupt liars Nbroadband with - "your area supplied by industry.
    even the esb crowd will not install -
    government ministrers liars and thieves supporting Cartel and monopoly.
    Boards try delete ban this which is supported by fact then they little more than FG\FF patsies.
    if you 1 of very small percentage then enjoy


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,905 ✭✭✭deravarra


    CoBo55 wrote: »
    If it ain't broke....

    The very reason i cancelled the order shortly after placing it.

    The cancellation process was long and laughable.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,337 ✭✭✭CoBo55


    jelem wrote: »
    Also this is only available to a very small percentage of users with the correct Fibre\cable.and area near to
    cabinet --
    eir wayback before 2016 advertise efibre ssign up get connected ---lol such a f___ lie still in dublin and old phone line.
    Eir refuse to provide cable\fibre capable of over 20Mb.
    roll out has corrupt liars Nbroadband with - "your area supplied by industry.
    even the esb crowd will not install -
    government ministrers liars and thieves supporting Cartel and monopoly.
    Boards try delete ban this which is supported by fact then they little more than FG\FF patsies.
    if you 1 of very small percentage then enjoy

    Lord spare us, run out of fireworks??


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,905 ✭✭✭deravarra


    :D
    CoBo55 wrote: »
    Lord spare us, run out of fireworks??


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,386 ✭✭✭schmoo2k


    deravarra wrote: »
    The very reason i cancelled the order shortly after placing it.

    The cancellation process was long and laughable.

    I found the 1GB to be just as reliable as the white one in modem mode. I cannot say the same thing when it wasn't (the 1GB seemed to get overwhelmed relatively easily).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,905 ✭✭✭deravarra


    schmoo2k wrote: »
    I found the 1GB to be just as reliable as the white one in modem mode. I cannot say the same thing when it wasn't (the 1GB seemed to get overwhelmed relatively easily).

    Thanks for the feedback. Not 100% sure it's worth going from 500Mbps to 1Gbps. I think these Hub 2 Modems will be around for a while, and that they will have another increase in speed towards the end of the year. I might wait until then and see.

    Docsis 3.1 can theoretically go up to 10Gbps and have 1Gbps upload. I doubt VM will ever go to that much upload


  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 23,008 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    MOD: Thanks everyone, sorry for the delay, just cleaned up the off topic posts.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 165 ✭✭MugsGame


    Not 100% sure it's worth going from 500Mbps to 1Gbps. I think these Hub 2 Modems will be around for a while, and that they will have another increase in speed towards the end of the year. I might wait until then and see.

    Docsis 3.1 can theoretically go up to 10Gbps and have 1Gbps upload. I doubt VM will ever go to that much upload.

    Yeah, I'll only upgrade from 500Mbps/50Mbps package when they offer faster upload speeds.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,215 ✭✭✭BigMoose


    Totally agree, I'm coming towards the end of my 12 months on 500/50 and really don't see the point of 1Gb for domestic users without the 100 up. We're a house of heavy users but I can wait a few more mins for that 10Gb file to download on the rare occasion the server gives it at my connection max speed or one of my sons happens to be downloading one too.

    Virgin don't seem to have got the offering/price right of the 1Gb product compared to Siro, which has just become available to us. My only concern with moving is Virgin has been rock solid 500/50, but you read all sorts of horror stories on the Siro threads of crappy evening speeds.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,905 ✭✭✭deravarra


    BigMoose wrote: »
    Totally agree, I'm coming towards the end of my 12 months on 500/50 and really don't see the point of 1Gb for domestic users without the 100 up. We're a house of heavy users but I can wait a few more mins for that 10Gb file to download on the rare occasion the server gives it at my connection max speed or one of my sons happens to be downloading one too.

    Virgin don't seem to have got the offering/price right of the 1Gb product compared to Siro, which has just become available to us. My only concern with moving is Virgin has been rock solid 500/50, but you read all sorts of horror stories on the Siro threads of crappy evening speeds.

    I am a bit puzzled as to why VM did not deliver the 1GB as per Mike Fries' promise of "getting there before Eir" - as stated in Silicon Republic
    https://www.siliconrepublic.com/comms/liberty-global-1gbps-virgin-mike-fries

    Of course when I mentioned that to any VM rep - they were humming and hawing about Eir not being fully at 1Gig. God love them, but I thought they'd slipped a bit below Eir sales reps in terms of telling it as it isn't.

    Anyhow, I am of the opinion that Ireland will always remain way down the pecking order for any of LG's offerings, and that we will be told we should be happy to get the crumbs from the masters table.

    Still, if crumbs means a stable 500mb, then we're ok for a while.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,337 ✭✭✭CoBo55


    deravarra wrote: »
    I am a bit puzzled as to why VM did not deliver the 1GB as per Mike Fries' promise of "getting there before Eir" - as stated in Silicon Republic
    https://www.siliconrepublic.com/comms/liberty-global-1gbps-virgin-mike-fries

    Of course when I mentioned that to any VM rep - they were humming and hawing about Eir not being fully at 1Gig. God love them, but I thought they'd slipped a bit below Eir sales reps in terms of telling it as it isn't.

    Anyhow, I am of the opinion that Ireland will always remain way down the pecking order for any of LG's offerings, and that we will be told we should be happy to get the crumbs from the masters table.

    Still, if crumbs means a stable 500mb, then we're ok for a while.

    AHH will ya stop with that aul cap clenching rubbish. Have you seen the VM ads on UK tv? Or any of the UK isp's? they aren't offering a quarter of the speeds available to us, VM making a big deal out of 100meg... BT are providing even less. I've siblings living in The Netherlands and we've speeds they can only dream about.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,905 ✭✭✭deravarra


    CoBo55 wrote: »
    AHH will ya stop with that aul cap clenching rubbish. Have you seen the VM ads on UK tv? Or any of the UK isp's? they aren't offering a quarter of the speeds available to us, VM making a big deal out of 100meg... BT are providing even less. I've siblings living in The Netherlands and we've speeds they can only dream about.

    1 Gig speeds are widely available in the UK with VM.
    UPC Switzerland, Poland and Slovakia offering 1 Gig speeds.
    Ziggo offer 1Gbps.
    All are liberty global companies.

    The reason why VM make a big deal out of the 100mb is because most of their customers want the cheapest connection - and hey, this is it!
    Plusnet - very popular because of this kind of offering as well.

    Like for like, VM UK offer a far better value for money top marque package. TV, internet, phone and mobile.
    If I was to even try to bundle like for like in VM Ireland, I would be charged a lot more than what is being asked in the UK.

    So yes, I would stand by the original statement. We, in Ireland, lag behind offerings across LG brands.

    btw, I have no cap to clench


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,337 ✭✭✭CoBo55


    deravarra wrote: »
    1 Gig speeds are widely available in the UK with VM.
    UPC Switzerland, Poland and Slovakia offering 1 Gig speeds.
    Ziggo offer 1Gbps.
    All are liberty global companies.

    The reason why VM make a big deal out of the 100mb is because most of their customers want the cheapest connection - and hey, this is it!
    Plusnet - very popular because of this kind of offering as well.

    Like for like, VM UK offer a far better value for money top marque package. TV, internet, phone and mobile.
    If I was to even try to bundle like for like in VM Ireland, I would be charged a lot more than what is being asked in the UK.

    So yes, I would stand by the original statement. We, in Ireland, lag behind offerings across LG brands.

    btw, I have no cap to clench

    Now you're shifting the goal posts in true boards fashion, you stated that we in Ireland are being left behind by LG regarding available speeds which as you pointed out in your reply isn't true. So which is it? Are we getting slower speeds than Switzerland, Poland etc? No we aren't, we are getting 1gig the same as they are. Pricing is a whole different story that Ireland will never win because of our tiny population.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,905 ✭✭✭deravarra


    CoBo55 wrote: »
    Now you're shifting the goal posts in true boards fashion, you stated that we in Ireland are being left behind by LG regarding available speeds which as you pointed out in your reply isn't true. So which is it? Are we getting slower speeds than Switzerland, Poland etc? No we aren't, we are getting 1gig the same as they are. Pricing is a whole different story that Ireland will never win because of our tiny population.

    The whole conversation stemmed from my initial statement of:

    I am a bit puzzled as to why VM did not deliver the 1GB as per Mike Fries' promise of "getting there before Eir" - as stated in Silicon Republic

    https://www.siliconrepublic.com/comm...gin-mike-fries

    Thats why I said we are lagging behind. And we were one of the last to get said same in LG's group of companies.

    Yes, pricing is different, but indicative of the way we lag behind other LG companies in terms of offerings and pricing structure.


  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 23,008 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    Actually Virgin Media in the UK only offer 1Gig in limited areas, they don't offer it to most of their network yet, unlike Virgin here, who offer 1gig to 98% of their network.

    Also the upload speed of VMUK's 1gig service is also only 52mb/s

    The highest speed VMUK offers to most of their network is 516mb/s down and 36mb/s up for £62 or €72

    By comparison we get 500mb/s down and 50mb/s up for €71, with the higher upload speed then the UK, I'd say this is a better deal.

    Also we have the 1gig service available almost everywhere on the VM network, for those who want it, unlike VM UK.

    So I have to say VM Ireland is still quiet a bit ahead of VM UK.

    BTW UPC Polands 1gig service upload speed is only 40mb/s, I'd prefer our 500/50 service. Though price is great in Poland, but keep in mind wages are far lower there.

    UPC Switzerland do offer 100mb/s up on their 1gig service, they are one of the few LG regions that do.

    Ziggo, which BTW is 50-50 joint venture with Vodafone, only offers their 1gig service in limited areas like VM UK, otherwise 500/40 is the highest offered. Where 1gig is available, it is also only 50mb/s up too.

    So with the exception of Switzerland, we have the same or better then almost all other LG regions.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,905 ✭✭✭deravarra


    bk wrote: »
    Actually Virgin Media in the UK only offer 1Gig in limited areas, they don't offer it to most of their network yet, unlike Virgin here, who offer 1gig to 98% of their network.

    Also the upload speed of VMUK's 1gig service is also only 52mb/s

    The highest speed VMUK offers to most of their network is 516mb/s down and 36mb/s up for £62 or €72

    By comparison we get 500mb/s down and 50mb/s up for €71, with the higher upload speed then the UK, I'd say this is a better deal.

    Also we have the 1gig service available almost everywhere on the VM network, for those who want it, unlike VM UK.

    So I have to say VM Ireland is still quiet a bit ahead of VM UK.

    BTW UPC Polands 1gig service upload speed is only 40mb/s, I'd prefer our 500/50 service. Though price is great in Poland, but keep in mind wages are far lower there.

    UPC Switzerland do offer 100mb/s up on their 1gig service, they are one of the few LG regions that do.

    Ziggo, which BTW is 50-50 joint venture with Vodafone, only offers their 1gig service in limited areas like VM UK, otherwise 500/40 is the highest offered. Where 1gig is available, it is also only 50mb/s up too.

    So with the exception of Switzerland, we have the same or better then almost all other LG regions.

    Points agreed - but we did come late to the party. Mike Fries promised VM would get to 1 Gig before Eir would. Eir and Siro had 1 Gig before VM did.

    98% of a small population/country compared to 12 large cities in the UK with much larger populations wouldn't be anything to be proud of tbh - but yes, I acknowledge that when they did make the offering public, it was mostly available to all.

    WRT to value for money/price - I was referring to the big bundles.
    You try the biggest bundle in the UK - which includes movies and sports from the satellite company, more sports from BT, along with a hape of others unavailable in ireland, then you're gonna pay £139 per month after discount expires. Thats about €161.
    Try to get all the above with VM Ireland, and you'll find it impossible. But get as close as you can, and you'll still pay much more. In fact, with just Sky Sports, no movies, and no BT sports, and without a load of other channels, you will be paying €197 after promo discount ends.
    That does not show good value for money. In fact, it shows quite poor value for money.


  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 23,008 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    deravarra wrote: »
    Points agreed - but we did come late to the party. Mike Fries promised VM would get to 1 Gig before Eir would. Eir and Siro had 1 Gig before VM did.

    I think you are miss reading his comments in the article. He isn't saying who would be first to 1gig, sure when he made that comment, Eir and Siro already were already rolling out FTTP and already had some customers on 1gig. No, what he was saying, was that when VM turned on 1gig, that it would be immediately available to the majority of VM customers overnight.

    Once VM launched 1gig, any customer could order it and within a few days a new modem would arrive, plug it in and have 1gig.

    That certainly isn't true for Eir, most of their customers are still stuck on VDSL or ADSL and it will be years before FTTP even becomes an option to most of them and even then, the install is a lot more involved.

    So my reading of it, he was spot on. Eir are doing great work, but they still have a long way to catch up.

    I don't think Eir has ever published how many customers are actually on FTTP (as opposed to VDSL or FTTP homes passed). I strongly suspect that VM has far more customers on greater then 100mb/s service then Eir does in reality.
    deravarra wrote: »
    WRT to value for money/price - I was referring to the big bundles.
    You try the biggest bundle in the UK - which includes movies and sports from the satellite company, more sports from BT, along with a hape of others unavailable in ireland, then you're gonna pay £139 per month after discount expires. Thats about €161.
    Try to get all the above with VM Ireland, and you'll find it impossible. But get as close as you can, and you'll still pay much more. In fact, with just Sky Sports, no movies, and no BT sports, and without a load of other channels, you will be paying €197 after promo discount ends.
    That does not show good value for money. In fact, it shows quite poor value for money.

    Well first of this is the broadband forum, so the focus would more be on that.

    It can be very hard to compare prices on bundles like this across countries, due to differences in channels carried, right holder issues, etc. A lot of these issues can be out of VM's hands as the pricing is decided by Sky, BT, etc.

    I think if you look at the broadband pricing, which is completely in their control, you see that while not cheap, it is the same as the UK and other similar countries and is thus fair.

    Personally I haven't used UPC/VM for TV in over 10 years. It was never great. I use them just for the quality BB. I had Sky for a while, but dumped that too. Unless you are a big sports fan, I think both Sky and VM TV are a big waste of money. Saorview + Freesat + Netflix/Disney/Prime are where it is now IMO.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,337 ✭✭✭CoBo55


    deravarra wrote: »
    Points agreed - but we did come late to the party. Mike Fries promised VM would get to 1 Gig before Eir would. Eir and Siro had 1 Gig before VM did.

    98% of a small population/country compared to 12 large cities in the UK with much larger populations wouldn't be anything to be proud of tbh - but yes, I acknowledge that when they did make the offering public, it was mostly available to all.

    WRT to value for money/price - I was referring to the big bundles.
    You try the biggest bundle in the UK - which includes movies and sports from the satellite company, more sports from BT, along with a hape of others unavailable in ireland, then you're gonna pay £139 per month after discount expires. Thats about €161.
    Try to get all the above with VM Ireland, and you'll find it impossible. But get as close as you can, and you'll still pay much more. In fact, with just Sky Sports, no movies, and no BT sports, and without a load of other channels, you will be paying €197 after promo discount ends.
    That does not show good value for money. In fact, it shows quite poor value for money.

    You see you keep bouncing around from speed to cost, even with the facts laid before you you still continue to waffle on trying to justify your original post that only mentioned speed. The facts are that we in Ireland aren't getting the crumbs from the table but are getting as good a product as any other LG country, a better product in some cases. In my personal case here in County Wexford VM have been first to my door with 1gig.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 80 ✭✭slith


    CoBo55 wrote: »
    You see you keep bouncing around from speed to cost, even with the facts laid before you you still continue to waffle on trying to justify your original post that only mentioned speed. The facts are that we in Ireland aren't getting the crumbs from the table but are getting as good a product as any other LG country, a better product in some cases. In my personal case here in County Wexford VM have been first to my door with 1gig.

    Here in Midleton I signed up with a Siro reseller for a temporary package while waiting for Siro. Siro vans driving up and down our street every other day 'doing stuff', I was told Siro was coming 'any day now' (this was October). As it turns, Siro decided to not release their fiber package to my street. When Siro was questioned they came back with:

    'SIRO does not have any current plans to extend its roll out to your premises'
    [...]
    'At present, the build in Midleton is suspended so we cannot advise whether your premises will be connected.'

    On the other hand, VM had me connected in 3 weeks. No nonsense. Speed and installation process as advertised.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,337 ✭✭✭CoBo55


    slith wrote: »
    Here in Midleton I signed up with a Siro reseller for a temporary package while waiting for Siro. Siro vans driving up and down our street every other day 'doing stuff', I was told Siro was coming 'any day now' (this was October). As it turns, Siro decided to not release their fiber package to my street. When Siro was questioned they came back with:

    'SIRO does not have any current plans to extend its roll out to your premises'
    [...]
    'At present, the build in Midleton is suspended so we cannot advise whether your premises will be connected.'

    On the other hand, VM had me connected in 3 weeks. No nonsense. Speed and installation process as advertised.

    Same messing going on here too, the fibre reels have been hanging on houses for over a year. TLI vans driving around the odd day here and there, a shambles of a roll out in. Seeing the evening drops people are getting on other threads I'm going to stay with VM.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 80 ✭✭slith


    CoBo55 wrote: »
    Same messing going on here too, the fibre reels have been hanging on houses for over a year. TLI vans driving around the odd day here and there, a shambles of a roll out in. Seeing the evening drops people are getting on other threads I'm going to stay with VM.

    Slightly off that topic, talking about stability, do you guys think rebooting the VM modem nightly helps at all? I'm having some issues with stability that are hard to explain (and the culprit always seems to be the VM modem).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,337 ✭✭✭CoBo55


    slith wrote: »
    Slightly off that topic, talking about stability, do you guys think rebooting the VM modem nightly helps at all? I'm having some issues with stability that are hard to explain (and the culprit always seems to be the VM modem).

    Luckily I've never had stability issues. Are you on the. 1gig package with the new modem? If so I suggested to another poster to buy a cheap socket timer and set it to power off during the night, maybe that would help.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68 ✭✭allanroche


    CoBo55 wrote: »
    Luckily I've never had stability issues. Are you on the. 1gig package with the new modem? If so I suggested to another poster to buy a cheap socket timer and set it to power off during the night, maybe that would help.


    That was me and it works well so thanks!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,337 ✭✭✭CoBo55


    allanroche wrote: »
    That was me and it works well so thanks!

    No bother I couldn't remember which thread it was in.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 80 ✭✭slith


    allanroche wrote: »
    That was me and it works well so thanks!

    I've just noticed I had turned off the reboot schedule in my smart plug... Oh well, this definitely means I need the nightly restart so!


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 2,975 Mod ✭✭✭✭LoGiE


    My VM equipment has been in modem mode from day 1 and I haven't had any stability problems. It's nuts that anyone feels the need to restart their equipment every night. It's pretty well established that the supplied equipment is bargin basement gear...maybe even the room below the bargin basement. You'd want to be a masochist to fork out for a 1gb connection and stick with it for routing and wifi.

    Treat yourself to a decent router or mesh system and take the steps to put the VM equipment into modem mode. You'll have a much better experience.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,337 ✭✭✭CoBo55


    LoGiE wrote: »
    My VM equipment has been in modem mode from day 1 and I haven't had any stability problems. It's nuts that anyone feels the need to restart their equipment every night. It's pretty well established that the supplied equipment is bargin basement gear...maybe even the room below the bargin basement. You'd want to be a masochist to fork out for a 1gb connection and stick with it for routing and wifi.

    Treat yourself to a decent router or mesh system and take the steps to put the VM equipment into modem mode. You'll have a much better experience.

    That's what I have, probably the main reason I'm enjoying such a good service!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 80 ✭✭slith


    LoGiE wrote: »
    My VM equipment has been in modem mode from day 1 and I haven't had any stability problems. It's nuts that anyone feels the need to restart their equipment every night. It's pretty well established that the supplied equipment is bargin basement gear...maybe even the room below the bargin basement. You'd want to be a masochist to fork out for a 1gb connection and stick with it for routing and wifi.

    Treat yourself to a decent router or mesh system and take the steps to put the VM equipment into modem mode. You'll have a much better experience.

    That's what I have, but I have to say that since I got the VM box switched to modem mode, I have stability issues.

    Now, 2 days out of 2 is not an statistic, so hard to tell if lack of a nightly restart is the issue. New houses are being connected regularly here, so maybe that is having a knock on effect on my connection.

    I completely agree that the VM box is basement gear, if I had a basement that's where it would be...


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