Virgin 1Gb now available.

allanroche

LoGiE wrote: »

My VM equipment has been in modem mode from day 1 and I haven't had any stability problems. It's nuts that anyone feels the need to restart their equipment every night. It's pretty well established that the supplied equipment is bargin basement gear...maybe even the room below the bargin basement. You'd want to be a masochist to fork out for a 1gb connection and stick with it for routing and wifi.

Treat yourself to a decent router or mesh system and take the steps to put the VM equipment into modem mode. You'll have a much better experience.

I have my own equipment for years, I've never used either of the Hubs as my main device. My problems stem from the Hub in modem mode locking up over time and the connection in my area being dire too.



The restart is not ideal but gives a reprieve for a while.

slith

CoBo55 wrote: »

That's what I have, probably the main reason I'm enjoying such a good service!!

Download 937.57 Mbps
Upload 51.64 Mbps
Ping 10.91 ms Jitter 1.19 ms Loss 0.00 %

Honestly, that's how it should be. And this is with Netflix on.

bk

I’ve always said that to get the best performance and stability out of VM you should be using your own high quality WiFi router and VM in modem mode.

It is a pity you can’t also bring your own modem too, like some other counties support.

If you are paying out the premium for 1gig, then you really need a decent WiFi router to go with it. It feel like not doing so is like buying a Ferrari and putting Fiat Punto tires on it!

If you don’t have the budget for both, then I’d recommend the 500/50 package instead and using the money saved to get a decent wifi router. IMO you’ll end up with a better service overall.

I don’t have FTTP, but I suspect the same is true for 1 gig FTTP, most ISP’s give pretty cheap and poor routers. The companies using Fitzbox being the exception.

CoBo55

slith wrote: »

Download 937.57 Mbps
Upload 51.64 Mbps
Ping 10.91 ms Jitter 1.19 ms Loss 0.00 %

Honestly, that's how it should be. And this is with Netflix on.

That's it, I get the full 360 and more night and day irrespective of what's running on the network wirelessly too thanks to my Asus router.

sham69

Hi all,
Just upgraded from 500mb to the 1gb package.
WiFi speeds are awful, worse than my 500mb speeds.
What router do people recommend to use on this package.
I have an apple airport extreme that I was using with my 500mb and it used to get me the full speed downstairs. Upstairs has some major blackspots so mixed speeds depending on rooms. I also bought the deco m5 mesh system (2 pack) but it's not giving me anything more to be honest.

If I change to modem mode do I lose my phone? ( I have the phone with VM as part of my package)

Any advice to get the best out of the package would be appreciated as it's quite pricey.
Thanks

deravarra

sham69 wrote: »

Hi all,
Just upgraded from 500mb to the 1gb package.
WiFi speeds are awful, worse than my 500mb speeds.
What router do people recommend to use on this package.
I have an apple airport extreme that I was using with my 500mb and it used to get me the full speed downstairs. Upstairs has some major blackspots so mixed speeds depending on rooms. I also bought the deco m5 mesh system (2 pack) but it's not giving me anything more to be honest.

If I change to modem mode do I lose my phone? ( I have the phone with VM as part of my package)

Any advice to get the best out of the package would be appreciated as it's quite pricey.
Thanks

I have a Netgear Orbi RBK53S. It's a mesh system which will give you decent coverage throughout your house. I bought this to replace my deco M5 and I haven't had any blackspots anywhere in the house.
Using my deco M5, I was getting speeds of up to 80 Mbps in my kitchen. The Orbi has upped that to over 400 Mbps. The back bedroom would have gotten around 50 Mbps. Now it's getting close to 350 Mbps.

With the Orbi, I can get 520 Mbps on my PC upstairs - all this from a 500 Mbps package with VM. It cost me around €420 - but well worth it.
Some others have gone for the wifi 6 version of what I have, but that is very expensive - over €1,000!

Modem only mode will not have you lose your phone. It just turns off wifi from the Hub. The router/mesh system you connect via bridge only mode will be your wifi router.

rogue-entity

LoGiE wrote: »

My VM equipment has been in modem mode from day 1 and I haven't had any stability problems. It's nuts that anyone feels the need to restart their equipment every night. It's pretty well established that the supplied equipment is bargin basement gear...maybe even the room below the bargin basement. You'd want to be a masochist to fork out for a 1gb connection and stick with it for routing and wifi.

Treat yourself to a decent router or mesh system and take the steps to put the VM equipment into modem mode. You'll have a much better experience.

Better still would be the ability to use your own modem; would love to have a dumb modem-bridge that just spits out a public IP on a single RJ45 connection for you to plug into your own router/firewall.

I honestly miss the EPC2203 from way back, that was the most stable and reliable thing I ever had.

But what can you expect from a company that refuses to do Dual-Stack (and went out of its way to make a pigs ear out of IPv6).

bk wrote: »

If you are paying out the premium for 1gig, then you really need a decent WiFi router to go with it. It feel like not doing so is like buying a Ferrari and putting Fiat Punto tires on it!

More like those space-saver tyres, and American '85' octane petrol

sham69

Thanks for the replies folks.
I'll look into the orbi.
I have homeplugs aswell, they used to give me full speed back in the 240mb days but really not working well these days ( and I've upgraded them since then) I've probably spent close to 400 on my network over the years, different routers , WiFi extenders, home plugs, mesh etc.

The service is great when you get it working the way you want but my god the equipment they give you is shocking and it's not like we don't pay a good price for the service.

deravarra

sham69 wrote: »

The service is great when you get it working the way you want but my god the equipment they give you is shocking and it's not like we don't pay a good price for the service.

I have yet to experience or hear of someone experience an ISP who give a decent modem/router - although the Fritzbox from Digiweb is quite good.

schmoo2k

sham69 wrote: »

Thanks for the replies folks.
I'll look into the orbi.
I have homeplugs aswell, they used to give me full speed back in the 240mb days but really not working well these days ( and I've upgraded them since then) I've probably spent close to 400 on my network over the years, different routers , WiFi extenders, home plugs, mesh etc.

The service is great when you get it working the way you want but my god the equipment they give you is shocking and it's not like we don't pay a good price for the service.

Day 1 I put the VM modem in the attic and ran hard wires to the four corners of the house, I bought an OpenWRT router for bridged mode (in the attic) and simply re-used old eircom / vodafone routers etc at each corner of the house (disabled DHCP, isolation etc.), works great and is cost effective.

deravarra

schmoo2k wrote: »

Day 1 I put the VM modem in the attic and ran hard wires to the four corners of the house, I bought an OpenWRT router for bridged mode (in the attic) and simply re-used old eircom / vodafone routers etc at each corner of the house (disabled DHCP, isolation etc.), works great and is cost effective.

This is on the 1 Gbps pack? And what kind of wireless speeds are you getting throughout the house with that setup?

schmoo2k

deravarra wrote: »

This is on the 1 Gbps pack? And what kind of wireless speeds are you getting throughout the house with that setup?

Depends which (crappy) WiFi router you hit, in general all our desktops hardwire to the four corners and the only consumer of WiFi are phones and tablets. But typically 5GHz "n" speeds.

deravarra

schmoo2k wrote: »

Depends which (crappy) WiFi router you hit, in general all our desktops hardwire to the four corners and the only consumer of WiFi are phones and tablets. But typically 5GHz "n" speeds.

The Orbi Wifi AC is excellent. A bit on the expensive side, but I am getting full download speeds wirelessly to my desktop. I can't believe how good it is throughout the house!

slith

sham69 wrote: »

Thanks for the replies folks.
I'll look into the orbi.
I have homeplugs aswell, they used to give me full speed back in the 240mb days but really not working well these days ( and I've upgraded them since then) I've probably spent close to 400 on my network over the years, different routers , WiFi extenders, home plugs, mesh etc.

The service is great when you get it working the way you want but my god the equipment they give you is shocking and it's not like we don't pay a good price for the service.

I had the home plugs, those powerline adapters, and I never got much from them (nowhere near their speed rating anyway). Bought cheap wifi extenders and all I got was bad wifi. Also created separate 'upstairs' and 'downstairs' wifi networks using powerline adapters. Unfortunately my devices would stick to the first network it found, and it wasn't possible to make the downstairs one invisible from upstairs... more bad wifi.

Finally I got a ZenWifi AX mesh (pack of 2). A bit finicky at the start, connection between the base and the satellite is supposed to happen automatically but it took a while. Once it is up and running it works very well.

But even with a great mesh you need to think how to position it carefully. If you need a mesh in the first place is likely to be because the house has internal elements causing black spots. So putting a satellite in the room with the blackspot is going to do absolutely nothing for you because the satellite will not be able to connect to the base. I've noticed in the houses I've lived in that there is very little interference between a room and the room right above it. So you can sometimes use that to go around that structure in the house creating the black spot.

If you are one of the lucky ones with a house wired for ethernet then consider not just a wifi repeater but one of the mesh systems that can use a wired backhaul channel (I'd say most of the good ones do), in that case you can put your repeater wherever you want

CoBo55

Unless you have a mansion many of these mesh systems are overkill. A good quality router would be more than sufficient and certainly more affordable.

alec76

CoBo55 wrote: »

Unless you have a mansion many of these mesh systems are overkill..

I would say unless you have a studio/ 1 bedroom apartment
one router almost definitely not enough, especially if looking 400+ Mbps wireless speeds in every corner of the house.

slith

alec76 wrote: »

I would say unless you have a studio/ 1 bedroom apartment
one router almost definitely not enough, especially if looking 400+ Mbps wireless speeds in every corner of the house.

I lived in a 4 bed. Maybe it was the hot water cylinder, maybe it was just the distance to the access point, but the master bedroom was a black spot for the wifi. And when I say a black spot I do not mean bad speeds, I mean minimal number of bars. I had an airport extreme at the time, probably not the best router but it had worked very well for me in a previous 3 bed just fine.

A mesh will allow you to work around distance and obstacles much better than a single good router.

CoBo55

alec76 wrote: »

I would say unless you have a studio/ 1 bedroom apartment
one router almost definitely not enough, especially if looking 400+ Mbps wireless speeds in every corner of the house.

I'm on the 360 and get the full 360 wirelessly everywhere in the house, I'm in a standard 3 bedroom council house using an Asus router. I had a tplink archer c8 before that and it wasn't as good particularly on the 5ghz network. I do have the router centrally placed in the house.

deravarra

CoBo55 wrote: »

Unless you have a mansion many of these mesh systems are overkill. A good quality router would be more than sufficient and certainly more affordable.

1650 sq ft is not a mansion. VM router doesn't cut it. Deco M5 didn't cut it either.
You're waffling

bk

I have to agree with CoBo55's comment. For most typical Irish 3 to 4 bed semi's. A single high quality router, well positioned, should give decent coverage throughout most of the house. And yes that would include 400mb/s+ in most of the home.

Of course it can differ based on placement of router, materials in walls, etc. They could reduce the reach.

Mesh is great for those whose homes are too big, but I feel it is oversold to the typical home. Keep in mind that it adds complexity to a setup and cause more problems then it solves if you use it in too small of a home, with interference between overlapping mesh units and hand off between units as you roam.

Also people don't really seem to understand that if you are using a completely wireless mesh system and in particular a dual band model, you are basically cutting the backhaul in half, which is quiet self defeating if you are looking to get the most out of a 1gig service. Mesh can help fill an area with no signal, but for cheaper mesh systems, it can be at the cost of your max speed.

I typically recommend to people to buy from a shop with an easy returns policy. Try out a good quality router first, positioned well (center of home, high up). If you find that doesn't work for you (black spots), only then start looking at mesh systems.

And of course, if you can, the most important thing to do is to run ethernet cables around your home and connect as many devices as you can reasonably to it. That will take as much strain as possible off the wifi network, allow you to use wifi backhaul for mesh if you choose to go that way and really get the most out of a 1gig service.

CoBo55

deravarra wrote: »

1650 sq ft is not a mansion. VM router doesn't cut it. Deco M5 didn't cut it either.
You're waffling

We all know the VM router doesn't cut it, there's a whole thread dedicated to replacing it. Maybe not for you but for me a good quality decent router works perfectly in my house and I'm sure it would work for many others here too. No point in addressing your last bit.

S.E.A.L.s

I'm surprised to have not seen the following simple hack as the solution to all of our bandwidth issues, it's really straightforward:


- Glue two or three modem/routers together then the magical nano bots will combine the elements to almost unlimited power!!!


No fuss, mesh, bridging or extending, etc.

BAM

CoBo55

S.E.A.L.s wrote: »

I'm surprised to have not seen the following simple hack as the solution to all of our bandwidth issues, it's really straightforward:


- Glue two or three modem/routers together then the magical nano bots will combine the elements to almost unlimited power!!!


No fuss, mesh, bridging or extending, etc.

BAM

Hack....eyes glaze over..

allanroche

deravarra wrote: »

1650 sq ft is not a mansion. VM router doesn't cut it. Deco M5 didn't cut it either.
You're waffling

If you have ethernet ports or cable in your house you could do what I did and get an edgerouter or something similar, then add a couple access points using the ports to spread coverage across the house.



When my VM connection is good the wifi in the house is flawless, it's just all banking on the incoming connection.

Nonoperational

deravarra wrote: »

The Orbi Wifi AC is excellent. A bit on the expensive side, but I am getting full download speeds wirelessly to my desktop. I can't believe how good it is throughout the house!

It's brilliant.

deravarra

I would think it fair to say that if you are fairly tech savvy, and have the wherewithall to launch into a project of wiring your house with cable, source and configure AP's at the correct locations for optimal signal around the house, then good luck to you!

However, if you are like me, and have had a poor experience with the original router which came with VM (remember - there are many factors for placing the router where it is located - mine just happened to be where the cable came in and I didn't want to start moving things around), due to it's location and have had a bad experience with another router (Asus AX11000 - gave me full 500 all around the house one moment and then as low as 1 Mbps all around the house shortly after), tried a mesh system on the cheap (Deco M5 - great in the living room right beside the modem - but once you go to the rest of the house, it has significant drops in speed and signal strength, mostly due to contended bandwidth on the 5GHz frequency which was being used for backhaul between each of the units and any device connected on the same frequency), you want to have one final go with getting a solution that will work for all rooms and without hassle. I got it with the Orbi. It simply works. And many people on this very thread have said so. Plug and play.

Just to show how much it improved between the Deco M5 and the Orbi - see the before and after results below:

Before After
Office 162 464
Sunroom 70 401
Landing 129 302
Bedroom 138 520
Spare Bedroom 35 350
Living Room 393 520
Ensuite 286 360
Upstairs Bathroom 47 366
Downstairs Bathroom 66 236
Hallway 196 354
Kitchen 80 468
Dining room 72 332
PC in office 205 520
Garden near sunroom 35 62
Garden decking - 68 68 70
Garden rear 15 24
Side of house 35 26
Shed 17 156
Front of house 43 360
outside of front garden 38 150

A massive improvement all around the house, and most likely would suit many people for their "mansions"

CoBo55

deravarra wrote: »

I would think it fair to say that if you are fairly tech savvy, and have the wherewithall to launch into a project of wiring your house with cable, source and configure AP's at the correct locations for optimal signal around the house, then good luck to you!

However, if you are like me, and have had a poor experience with the original router which came with VM (remember - there are many factors for placing the router where it is located - mine just happened to be where the cable came in and I didn't want to start moving things around), due to it's location and have had a bad experience with another router (Asus AX11000 - gave me full 500 all around the house one moment and then as low as 1 Mbps all around the house shortly after), tried a mesh system on the cheap (Deco M5 - great in the living room right beside the modem - but once you go to the rest of the house, it has significant drops in speed and signal strength, mostly due to contended bandwidth on the 5GHz frequency which was being used for backhaul between each of the units and any device connected on the same frequency), you want to have one final go with getting a solution that will work for all rooms and without hassle. I got it with the Orbi. It simply works. And many people on this very thread have said so. Plug and play.

Just to show how much it improved between the Deco M5 and the Orbi - see the before and after results below:

Before After
Office 162 464
Sunroom 70 401
Landing 129 302
Bedroom 138 520
Spare Bedroom 35 350
Living Room 393 520
Ensuite 286 360
Upstairs Bathroom 47 366
Downstairs Bathroom 66 236
Hallway 196 354
Kitchen 80 468
Dining room 72 332
PC in office 205 520
Garden near sunroom 35 62
Garden decking - 68 68 70
Garden rear 15 24
Side of house 35 26
Shed 17 156
Front of house 43 360
outside of front garden 38 150

A massive improvement all around the house, and most likely would suit many people for their "mansions"

How much did you pay for the orbi?
This is my paltry offering https://www.currys.ie/ieen/computing-accessories/networking/network-routers-and-switches/routers/asus-rt-ac86u-wifi-cable-fibre-router-ac-2900-dual-band-10172009-pdt.html?istCompanyId=fbc6ef6d-ab18-45e3-927a-0cb677794424&istFeedId=0959f117-9faa-4499-80bd-c0265bb2950e&istItemId=wrwtiqrlw&istBid=t&gclid=Cj0KCQiA1pyCBhCtARIsAHaY_5ddjFPz00Q3vtdMgaRCTvSvJcUeAm83UV_GDjbyjf1ImzbimpkEDqkaAvPTEALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds
I get coverage everywhere in my little mansion, the full 360.

deravarra

CoBo55 wrote: »

How much did you pay for the orbi?
This is my paltry offering https://www.currys.ie/ieen/computing-accessories/networking/network-routers-and-switches/routers/asus-rt-ac86u-wifi-cable-fibre-router-ac-2900-dual-band-10172009-pdt.html?istCompanyId=fbc6ef6d-ab18-45e3-927a-0cb677794424&istFeedId=0959f117-9faa-4499-80bd-c0265bb2950e&istItemId=wrwtiqrlw&istBid=t&gclid=Cj0KCQiA1pyCBhCtARIsAHaY_5ddjFPz00Q3vtdMgaRCTvSvJcUeAm83UV_GDjbyjf1ImzbimpkEDqkaAvPTEALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds
I get coverage everywhere in my little mansion, the full 360.

400 euro. Discounted at the time on amazon. Wish I did it right first time round and saved myself money, headaches and nagging about how bad the wifi was around the house.

My house is 1650 sq ft over two stories. My mesh system covers everything. All users now very happy and never complain.

Trust me, listening to the moaning about how bad the wifi was gave me so much stress that the cost of the mesh system was easier to cope with.

I had previously used Asus routers on a number of occasions before going down the mesh route, and I will never again use any Asus router. Always let me down

CoBo55

deravarra wrote: »

400 euro. Discounted at the time on amazon. Wish I did it right first time round and saved myself money, headaches and nagging about how bad the wifi was around the house.

My house is 1650 sq ft over two stories. My mesh system covers everything. All users now very happy and never complain.

Trust me, listening to the moaning about how bad the wifi was gave me so much stress that the cost of the mesh system was easier to cope with.

I had previously used Asus routers on a number of occasions before going down the mesh route, and I will never again use any Asus router. Always let me down

Oh I had the same myself with the original hub and also when the archer was failing. I'm very happy so far with what I have, hopefully it will stay that way. All I am trying to say is that there are other alternatives available to people that work very well and are a huge improvement over the hub.

deravarra

CoBo55 wrote: »

Oh I had the same myself with the original hub and also when the archer was failing. I'm very happy so far with what I have, hopefully it will stay that way. All I am trying to say is that there are other alternatives available to people that work very well and are a huge improvement over the hub.

definitely. Not everyone has the same building size, build materials or build type. I have at least 30 items connected to my wifi at all times, and I work from home quite a bit as well. Thats why i went with what I did. I asked a number of people on this very thread what they found good, and many recommended the system I use, so I went with it. I valued their opinion. In fact, I wished I had asked in this forum before I got the Deco and the last Asus. I would have been in wifi heaven well before now

Hurrache

CoBo55 wrote: »

A good quality router would be more than sufficient and certainly more affordable.

They aren't for a lot of people though. My Archer C7, decent enough, struggled to get a decent signal to one side of the house. I messed around with it as much as I could before resolving it with an Eero mesh. It came with 3 satellites but I'm only using 2. The C7 actually didn't perform a whole lot better than the Virgin router.

I worry little about getting every last bit and byte out of my connection, so for most people any issues around a backhaul is meaningless for the most part anyway.

sham69

Just bought the orbi AC 3000 from Amazon Germany , 358 delivered . Should be here by Friday. Thanks all for the advice ...

CoBo55

Hurrache wrote: »

They aren't for a lot of people though. My Archer C7, decent enough, struggled to get a decent signal to one side of the house. I messed around with it as much as I could before resolving it with an Eero mesh. It came with 3 satellites but I'm only using 2. The C7 actually didn't perform a whole lot better than the Virgin router.

I worry little about getting every last bit and byte out of my connection, so for most people any issues around a backhaul is meaningless for the most part anyway.

Ah now in 2021 the C7 is the equivalent of a valve telly. Issues around backhaul aren't meaningless when it starts affecting your system because it's overkill for the type of house you have. Many including myself don't have 500 plus to drop into a mesh system there are cheaper alternatives.

deravarra

sham69 wrote: »

Just bought the orbi AC 3000 from Amazon Germany , 358 delivered . Should be here by Friday. Thanks all for the advice ...

Very easy to set up. More or less plug and play.
Which VM pack are you on? 500 Mbps? or the 1gig?

VM made a mistake with my pack at one stage and had the line giving 1 gig to the old modem. I still managed to get over 600 Mbps over the wifi

alec76

There are plenty not expensive and better alternatives to residential MESH systems. All of them required Ethernet Backhaul I am afraid.
You could get set of used industrial grade APs ( Aruba , Ubiquity etc) for peanuts of EBay etc if you lucky. And some of them 4x4 MIMO. They hardly plug and play though.
ps. As for the some system being pricey ... Some people buying IPhones for €1000 and at the same time thinking €400 is too much for the good solid WiFi at home....

Hurrache

CoBo55 wrote: »

Ah now in 2021 the C7 is the equivalent of a valve telly. Issues around backhaul aren't meaningless when it starts affecting your system because it's overkill for the type of house you have. Many including myself don't have 500 plus to drop into a mesh system there are cheaper alternatives.

Cost me £150, currently £250.

sham69

deravarra wrote: »

Very easy to set up. More or less plug and play.
Which VM pack are you on? 500 Mbps? or the 1gig?

VM made a mistake with my pack at one stage and had the line giving 1 gig to the old modem. I still managed to get over 600 Mbps over the wifi

I'm on the 1gb package for the past week, not enjoying it due to problems mentioned in original post. Looking forward to getting the orbi and seeing how it performs.
Cheers.

bk

deravarra wrote: »

I would think it fair to say that if you are fairly tech savvy, and have the wherewithall to launch into a project of wiring your house with cable, source and configure AP's at the correct locations for optimal signal around the house, then good luck to you!

Well keep in mind many newer homes come pre-wired with ethernet, mine did.

I'd always recommend to anyone who is building a new home or renovating to run ethernet.

It blows my mind how lazy people have gotten today. It use to be that people use to think nothing about running a phone line or aerial cable to another room in their house. It use to be pretty much standard practice in most homes. We have gotten a bit spoilt with the wireless tech.

Even if you can just run one ethernet cable, that can help greatly. I find that issue that people have with a single router is that usually it is on one side of the house, near the front door. It is then ther other side of the house that can get a black spot. If you can move the single router to a more central location, that normally fixes the issue. The problem with most homes is that the router is basically firing 50% of it's signal out to your front garden.

As for your comment on configuring APs, most decent mesh systems support ethernet backhaul out of the box. Nothing to set up, just plug them into ethernet and usually they will configure themselves and take advanatage of the greater wired backhaul.

deravarra

bk wrote: »

As for your comment on configuring APs, most decent mesh systems support ethernet backhaul out of the box. Nothing to set up, just plug them into ethernet and usually they will configure themselves and take advanatage of the greater wired backhaul.

Referring to someone who had mentioned they used old isp routers instead of mesh systems. That would take a bit of configuring.

I am all for mesh systems

schmoo2k

deravarra wrote: »

Referring to someone who had mentioned they used old isp routers instead of mesh systems. That would take a bit of configuring.

I am all for mesh systems

The only real trick is to:
1. Disable DHCP on the old routers
2. Ensure the IP range matches your main router attached to the modem
3. When plugging it into wired backhaul do not use the WAN port

deravarra

schmoo2k wrote: »

The only real trick is to:
1. Disable DHCP on the old routers
2. Ensure the IP range matches your main router attached to the modem
3. When plugging it into wired backhaul do not use the WAN port

And for many folks, this would be a little tricky.

schmoo2k

deravarra wrote: »

And for many folks, this would be a little tricky.

I should have pointed out, that you only need those steps if you want your devices to be visible to other devices within your home. Ignoring them and you would still get internet.

bk

deravarra wrote: »

And for many folks, this would be a little tricky.

There is literally no difference between plugging a separate high quality router into a virgin modem, then plugging a mesh system into the same virgin modem.

The exact same configuration steps are required in both cases.

If you are non techie, then just plug either directly in the modem and do nothing else and both will work without configuration.

If you are a bit more technically inclined, then it is a good idea to put the virgin router into modem only mode. It will work better then and really isn't a difficult thing to do.

All of the above is just as much true for a mesh system as it is for a separate router.

deravarra

bk wrote: »

There is literally no difference between plugging a separate high quality router into a virgin modem, then plugging a mesh system into the same virgin modem.

The exact same configuration steps are required in both cases.

If you are non techie, then just plug either directly in the modem and do nothing else and both will work without configuration.

If you are a bit more technically inclined, then it is a good idea to put the virgin router into modem only mode. It will work better then and really isn't a difficult thing to do.

All of the above is just as much true for a mesh system as it is for a separate router.

Orbi and Deco both had apps which took care of everything. You just had to find a socket to plug the things into.
Most people I would come across would not know or want to know anything about configuration unless it is on an easy to use app.

Consonata

We're struggling to crack 500mb here at the moment even though we're on gigabit.
Our house was installed with the UPC boxes in each of the bedrooms, so if I got a coax to ethernet adaptor, would that work no trouble to just plug the computer directly in?

CoBo55

deravarra wrote: »

Orbi and Deco both had apps which took care of everything. You just had to find a socket to plug the things into.
Most people I would come across would not know or want to know anything about configuration unless it is on an easy to use app.

The Asus I'm using has a very good app, no need to access the router at all if you don't need the more advanced features. The quick start leaflet was very good.

deravarra

CoBo55 wrote: »

The Asus I'm using has a very good app, no need to access the router at all if you don't need the more advanced features. The quick start leaflet was very good.

The AX11000 I had came with a very handy app - unfortunately the speeds dropped to 1Mbps for prolonged periods of time. Got rid straight away

pizzahead77

Consonata wrote: »

We're struggling to crack 500mb here at the moment even though we're on gigabit.
Our house was installed with the UPC boxes in each of the bedrooms, so if I got a coax to ethernet adaptor, would that work no trouble to just plug the computer directly in?

No it won't work as the cables are generally are not connected to the modem - they are usually combined at a splitter somewhere in the house or in a box on the outiside

How are you testing your speeds - wifi or ethernet?

slith

Consonata wrote: »

We're struggling to crack 500mb here at the moment even though we're on gigabit.
Our house was installed with the UPC boxes in each of the bedrooms, so if I got a coax to ethernet adaptor, would that work no trouble to just plug the computer directly in?

Hard to get over 500mbps over wifi, not many devices support it, and the theoretical 1.3 gbps of the ac protocol would require 3 antennas.

If you are used wired connections you may be using cat5 ethernet instead of cat5e? cat 5 would be limited to 100mbps.

CoBo55

deravarra wrote: »

The AX11000 I had came with a very handy app - unfortunately the speeds dropped to 1Mbps for prolonged periods of time. Got rid straight away

Awful looking yoke.. bigger isn't necessarily better... Reviews are patchy enough looks like you got a dud. You're sorted now which is the main thing.