Virgin 1Gb now available.

CoBo55

Consonata wrote: »

We're struggling to crack 500mb here at the moment even though we're on gigabit.
Our house was installed with the UPC boxes in each of the bedrooms, so if I got a coax to ethernet adaptor, would that work no trouble to just plug the computer directly in?

The cabling to those sockets can be very poor quality, my house is wired with those sockets too but the centre core is very flimsy I haven't used them in years.

bk

deravarra wrote: »

Orbi and Deco both had apps which took care of everything. You just had to find a socket to plug the things into.
Most people I would come across would not know or want to know anything about configuration unless it is on an easy to use app.

And a separate router doesn't even need an app *, you simply plug it in and use it!

* many wifi routers do have an app if you want to do some custom config

Third party Quality router:
- Plug ethernet cable from new wifi router into Virgin Media modem.
- Plug power into new wifi router
- Use new wifi router, no config necessary.

Mesh System:
- Plug ethernet cable from primary mesh node into Virgin Media modem.
- Plug power into new mesh node
- Plug power into other mesh nodes.
- Use app to set them up.

Neither is difficult, but strictly speaking the Mesh system requires more steps. So I really don't know what you are talking about!

deravarra

bk wrote: »

And a separate router doesn't even need an app *, you simply plug it in and use it!

* many wifi routers do have an app if you want to do some custom config

Third party Quality router:
- Plug ethernet cable from new wifi router into Virgin Media modem.
- Plug power into new wifi router
- Use new wifi router, no config necessary.

Mesh System:
- Plug ethernet cable from primary mesh node into Virgin Media modem.
- Plug power into new mesh node
- Plug power into other mesh nodes.
- Use app to set them up.

Neither is difficult, but strictly speaking the Mesh system requires more steps. So I really don't know what you are talking about!

Yes, you do

Most (if not all) *New* routes/mesh systems have an app which help with the setup process.

Older routers which can be repurposed for use in a house as AP's (such as one other poster mentioned earlier) do not have apps to help with setup process and will have more hands on steps to get set up correctly.

Now, that should be clear - shouldnt it?

S.E.A.L.s

I'd just like to say that us SSH via PuTTY power users and IT professionals have been feeling a bit left out of the conversation recently

And most modern networking devices designed for end users with or even without a handy app are straightforward enough.

Really it's a case of read the manual and follow the instructions, failing that there is usually a setup wizard that initially helps

sham69

Right, orbi arrived yesterday.
Far from blown away I have to say...
Put the Arris VM router into modem mode, connected it to the orbi router.
Have one satellite in my bedroom and another in my eldest lads room.
About 20 feet between the router and first and second satellite and one floor , not a huge house but some thick walls and there are some black spots.
The most disappointing is the speed in the sitting room when I am basically on top of the router , only getting 540 ( I was getting this from my airport extreme when I was on the 500mb package) though I would get closer to the 1gb.
Maybe I just need to mess around with positioning them....

alec76

sham69 wrote: »

Right, orbi arrived yesterday.
Far from blown away I have to say...
, only getting 540 ( I was getting this from my airport extreme when I was on the 500mb package) though I would get closer to the 1gb.
Maybe I just need to mess around with positioning them....

Why did you think that WIFI 5 system could deliver 1gb speed wireless?
Did you buy ORBI RBK 853 perhaps?

sham69

alec76 wrote: »

Why did you think that WIFI 5 system could deliver 1gb speed wireless?
Did you buy ORBI RBK 853 perhaps?

Because it said speeds up to 3gb?
I was expecting to get over 600mb at least as was getting close to that on my 500mb package on cheaper equipment as previously said...

alec76

sham69 wrote: »

Because it said speeds up to 3gb?

Oh no , forget about it . It is combined speed 5 GHz + 2.4 gHz + 4x4 MIMO backhaul.
You could get up to 600 Mbps ( probably 620 ) , on some good android phone , 540 Mbps probably top speed for Apple's WiHi 5 .
And if you are looking for sub gigabit wireless speeds , it is different price range altogether.
Something like this
https://www.amazon.co.uk/NETGEAR-RBK852-Orbi-Tri-Band-System/dp/B07W8XFZ6X/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?crid=2P415IOZ8PBAG&dchild=1&keywords=rbk852&qid=1616084775&sprefix=rbk%2Caps%2C176&sr=8-1-spons&psc=1&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUExSTFOTDczT0g5R1hYJmVuY3J5cHRlZElkPUEwNjc5ODczMzQxOUZaVVgxV1lSWCZlbmNyeXB0ZWRBZElkPUEwMjM1NzgzM0pRNlBYTEFGVjRNUiZ3aWRnZXROYW1lPXNwX2F0ZiZhY3Rpb249Y2xpY2tSZWRpcmVjdCZkb05vdExvZ0NsaWNrPXRydWU=

rafi bomb

Is it correct that if you change to modem mode Virgin media wont give you technical support as your not using their equipment?

Would it mean any issues for the TV?

bk

rafi bomb wrote: »

Is it correct that if you change to modem mode Virgin media wont give you technical support as your not using their equipment?

Would it mean any issues for the TV?

This just means they won't give you technical support for your wifi, etc.

They will continue to give support for the TV service and actual broadband service coming into your home.

rafi bomb

bk wrote: »

This just means they won't give you technical support for your wifi, etc.

They will continue to give support for the TV service and actual broadband service coming into your home.

Ah thank you. Was using some deco m4 and I started having drop outs over the last few weeks. Want to try the virgin router in modem mode to see if its a conflict between it and the Decos or just the bb itself that is the issue

deravarra

sham69 wrote: »

Right, orbi arrived yesterday.
Far from blown away I have to say...
Put the Arris VM router into modem mode, connected it to the orbi router.
Have one satellite in my bedroom and another in my eldest lads room.
About 20 feet between the router and first and second satellite and one floor , not a huge house but some thick walls and there are some black spots.
The most disappointing is the speed in the sitting room when I am basically on top of the router , only getting 540 ( I was getting this from my airport extreme when I was on the 500mb package) though I would get closer to the 1gb.
Maybe I just need to mess around with positioning them....

What device are you using for the speedtest?

I was getting 600+ Mbps from the RBK 53s on Hub 3 on a (mistakenly given) 1Gbps package to a samsung galaxy s10 plus.

rafi bomb

Edited: back working

BigMoose

rafi bomb wrote: »

I have now moved to modem mode on the Virgin router. Is working but for some reason I can't find a server on speed test .net to do a speed test.

Is this because of the router being in modem mode

No, something is going on with speedtest.net as I couldn't find a server either. Seems to be OK again now though on my phone app but am getting an error when using a browser.

rafi bomb

BigMoose wrote: »

No, something is going on with speedtest.net as I couldn't find a server either. Seems to be OK again now though on my phone app but am getting an error when using a browser.

Ah cheers. It seems WhatsApp, Facebook and Instagram messages are down too.

I picked such a time to change to modem mode, thought I had ****ed it up ha

sham69

deravarra wrote: »

What device are you using for the speedtest?

I was getting 600+ Mbps from the RBK 53s on Hub 3 on a (mistakenly given) 1Gbps package to a samsung galaxy s10 plus.

Sorry for delay in replying .
Getting around 400+ all over the house which is not bad.
I was getting my full 500mb downstairs off my airport extreme so no change downstairs. Upstairs has improved so have to be happy with that.
I suppose i was just expecting a bit more.
A mate in work is using the Google nest mesh and he's getting 800+ around his house. Maybe I should have went with them. Considering returning the orbis...

deravarra

sham69 wrote: »

Sorry for delay in replying .
Getting around 400+ all over the house which is not bad.
I was getting my full 500mb downstairs off my airport extreme so no change downstairs. Upstairs has improved so have to be happy with that.
I suppose i was just expecting a bit more.
A mate in work is using the Google nest mesh and he's getting 800+ around his house. Maybe I should have went with them. Considering returning the orbis...

Can't understand how your and mine are so different.
How close is your mate to where you're living?
Any chance you could try your device on their network and see if you're getting 800+ as well?

sham69

deravarra wrote: »

Can't understand how your and mine are so different.
How close is your mate to where you're living?
Any chance you could try your device on their network and see if you're getting 800+ as well?

Mate is Dublin 8 , southside and I'm Dublin 7 Northside.
I will say the internet is more stable through the orbis but the speed is disappointing but speed isn't everything I suppose , the stability is more important. I might do a bit more repositioning, might daisy chain one of the satellites off the router or something like that. Cheers for reply.

machiavellianme

gibgodsman wrote: »

I love all the posts from people who have no idea about how internet works, 1GB is absolutely great for most people, good luck streaming 4K easily with a 100Mb connection.

You want to jump on the game streaming bandwagon with Stadia or Xbox Cloud Gaming? That 250Mb will struggle BAD.

If your using your internet to its fullest, steaming in 4K, downloading games, watching on multiple devices, 1GB is a huge benefit, those suggesting 100Mb on 40+ devices is a good idea, id love to see how bad your kids ping is in anything they play online

Wow, there's some real irony here, given that this post doesn't reflect someone who understands how the Internet works either. High Bandwidth does not necessarily mean Low Latency and vice versa. In an ideal world, they may be synergetic but there are many factors affecting both including congestion and distance from the server etc.

schmoo2k

gibgodsman wrote: »

I love all the posts from people who have no idea about how internet works, 1GB is absolutely great for most people, good luck streaming 4K easily with a 100Mb connection.

You want to jump on the game streaming bandwagon with Stadia or Xbox Cloud Gaming? That 250Mb will struggle BAD.

If your using your internet to its fullest, steaming in 4K, downloading games, watching on multiple devices, 1GB is a huge benefit, those suggesting 100Mb on 40+ devices is a good idea, id love to see how bad your kids ping is in anything they play online

My 4K LG TV only has a 100Mb wired connection, should I be worried? (Haven't had any issues buffering over the last year and the OLED looks great with 4K content)

CoBo55

This thread has become ridiculous. I wonder could a mod give it a clean up? There's a separate thread about modem mode, setting up a separate router etc. it covers all the issues regarding WiFi speeds.

flexcon

schmoo2k wrote: »

My 4K LG TV only has a 100Mb wired connection, should I be worried? (Haven't had any issues buffering over the last year and the OLED looks great with 4K content)

As someone who runs a media server offsite - the highest I have ever needed was 89.8Mbps for HEVC which is like .... grand 😂 im sure there might be some files out there that may be in the 90’s but if you’re using Netflix it’s so compressed you can get 4K with a 30Mbps connection

Hurrache

schmoo2k wrote: »

My 4K LG TV only has a 100Mb wired connection, should I be worried? (Haven't had any issues buffering over the last year and the OLED looks great with 4K content)

The post you're quoting is by and large nonsense. You have nothing to worry about, you'll stream 4k with a connection as low as 25Mb quite easily while plenty of others in the house are connected.

deravarra

sham69 wrote: »

Mate is Dublin 8 , southside and I'm Dublin 7 Northside

There you go. Issue solved already :P

bk

schmoo2k wrote: »

My 4K LG TV only has a 100Mb wired connection, should I be worried? (Haven't had any issues buffering over the last year and the OLED looks great with 4K content)

No, it should be fine, I've the same TV myself.

Netflix and Disney+ 4k are less then 20Mbs, Apply TV+ is 25Mbps

The highest I've ever seen is Sony's new Bluray streaming service at 80Mbps, but it isn't available in Ireland and only with the latest Sony TV's and anyway at 80Mbps it would be still fine.

If you were ripping your own 4k Blurays and using Plex, you might get the odd extreme outlier that might not work. But would be seriously unusual.

BTW Supposedly you can work around this issue by using a USB3 ethernet adaptor, that will give you close to 1Gbps, though I haven't tried it myself.

copacetic

bk wrote: »

Well keep in mind many newer homes come pre-wired with ethernet, mine did.

I'd always recommend to anyone who is building a new home or renovating to run ethernet.

It blows my mind how lazy people have gotten today. It use to be that people use to think nothing about running a phone line or aerial cable to another room in their house. It use to be pretty much standard practice in most homes. We have gotten a bit spoilt with the wireless tech.

Even if you can just run one ethernet cable, that can help greatly. I find that issue that people have with a single router is that usually it is on one side of the house, near the front door. It is then ther other side of the house that can get a black spot. If you can move the single router to a more central location, that normally fixes the issue. The problem with most homes is that the router is basically firing 50% of it's signal out to your front garden.

As for your comment on configuring APs, most decent mesh systems support ethernet backhaul out of the box. Nothing to set up, just plug them into ethernet and usually they will configure themselves and take advanatage of the greater wired backhaul.

When renovating I did just this. We went for Eir, their wiring comes in to attic, joined to my cabling into utility room, modem and phone point there. Then in wall cat 6 cabling to the sitting room to their stb.

All works very well and neat install.

Now I want to move away from Eir to get Virgin for the much greater speeds available to me address. It’s causing me a wiring headache. Their is a virgin point on our sofit, they are currently upgrading that also.

Has anyone used their own coax to atttach to these points to drop down to a central location for their termination point? I presume if they won’t access attic they are happen to connect cables outside at least? Then I would put their router and stb in the utility room and get a hdmi over cat6 extender to the TV. Slightly concerned that their remote is radio instead of IR as IR extension comes with the cat6 extender.

Has anyone tried that setup? Any other bright ideas? Really want to avoid them drilling through walls etc and don’t want router beside TV anyway for the reasons above.

schmoo2k

copacetic wrote: »

When renovating I did just this. We went for Eir, their wiring comes in to attic, joined to my cabling into utility room, modem and phone point there. Then in wall cat 6 cabling to the sitting room to their stb.

All works very well and neat install.

Now I want to move away from Eir to get Virgin for the much greater speeds available to me address. It’s causing me a wiring headache. Their is a virgin point on our sofit, they are currently upgrading that also.

Has anyone used their own coax to atttach to these points to drop down to a central location for their termination point? I presume if they won’t access attic they are happen to connect cables outside at least? Then I would put their router and stb in the utility room and get a hdmi over cat6 extender to the TV. Slightly concerned that their remote is radio instead of IR as IR extension comes with the cat6 extender.

Has anyone tried that setup? Any other bright ideas? Really want to avoid them drilling through walls etc and don’t want router beside TV anyway for the reasons above.

In my case I have the VM modem in the attic and the 360 box in the front room.

Both need "coax" AND the 360 box needs to connect to the internet.

alec76

bk wrote: »

BTW Supposedly you can work around this issue by using a USB3 ethernet adaptor, that will give you close to 1Gbps, though I haven't tried it myself.

I’ve tried , you’ll get about 300 mbps on LG OLED ( there is no usb 3 ports on €2.5k TV , only usb 2 and 100mbps Ethernet :mad:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00NPJP33M/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o05_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
This adapter definitely works on LG OLED 2018-2020 .
One person tried it on regular LG 4K 2020 - no luck at all

Hurrache

What issue is there to resolve though? It is an oddity that LGs wireless can be faster than wired because they skimped on the ethernet card, but aren't both sufficient anyway?

bk

Hurrache wrote: »

What issue is there to resolve though? It is an oddity that LGs wireless can be faster than wired because they skimped on the ethernet card, but aren't both sufficient anyway?

Yes, both are perfectly sufficient. I've never had an issue with 100mbps, but it would be possible for some extreme users to go slightly over 100mbps if they were using Plex + certain extreme examples of ripped 4k Blurays.

But honestly wouldn't impact 99.9% of users and even for the 0.1% probably only 1 in a 1000 movies they rip would be impacted.

Of course another work around is to use another device connected to the TV like a nVidia Shield TV, PS5, etc.

BTW I prefer using 100mb/s ethernet over the wifi, even though theoretically the wifi supports higher speeds. I rather keep 4k streams off the wifi where it is possible to do so like a TV and keep the wifi clear for wifi only devices like iPads, etc.

Nonoperational

Jasus 100Mbit wired is more than enough for any TV service.

CoBo55

Aaaaaarghhhh
Unfollowed....

micks_address

Hi folks,
Have nest wifi and trialing the 1gb vm package. I can get about 500mb on Speedtest from my iPhone 12 Pro. Is it possible to get more? Speedtest at router is 850mbps. 3 nest routers in semi detached house.
Cheers,
Mick

ED E

Nest is AC2200 so you can realistically hit 800+ on the primary unit. Wire the remotes back to the primary if you want that speed all over.



Also there is NOTHING your iPhone can do that will make use of 1Gb, or even 500Mb.

micks_address

ED E wrote: »

Nest is AC2200 so you can realistically hit 800+ on the primary unit. Wire the remotes back to the primary if you want that speed all over.



Also there is NOTHING your iPhone can do that will make use of 1Gb, or even 500Mb.

Yeah I’m happy with the speed. Just wondering why I can only see 500mb on Speedtest app on the iPhone

micks_address

micks_address wrote: »

Yeah I’m happy with the speed. Just wondering why I can only see 500mb on Speedtest app on the iPhone

I suppose what I’m really wondering is if I’d be as well on 500mbps package.

deravarra

ED E wrote: »

Nest is AC2200 so you can realistically hit 800+ on the primary unit. Wire the remotes back to the primary if you want that speed all over.



Also there is NOTHING your iPhone can do that will make use of 1Gb, or even 500Mb.

Oh I love it when someone tells me that 1Gb or even 500 Mb is too much for any device I have

And yet when I have ALL my devices connected, some streaming, some downloading, others browsing and some simply monitoring stuff in the background, I do get an occasional stutter or lag or buffering on a few devices.
So, more is always best. If you don't want it, fine! But don't tell anyone else they don't need it.

deravarra

micks_address wrote: »

I suppose what I’m really wondering is if I’d be as well on 500mbps package.

Your bottleneck is both the google nest.
I can get a max of 631 using the Hub 3 on a 1gb wifi connection, using the Netgear Orbi Wifi 5.
If you want excellent coverage with blistering speeds available throughout your home, then a decent mesh system will do the job. The nest might give you good coverage, but it will not do the business for speed.

Check back through the posts on this thread, and you'll see folks having testified to how good the Orbi Mesh system is, and how fast your speeds can get.

micks_address

deravarra wrote: »

Your bottleneck is both the google nest.
I can get a max of 631 using the Hub 3 on a 1gb wifi connection, using the Netgear Orbi Wifi 5.
If you want excellent coverage with blistering speeds available throughout your home, then a decent mesh system will do the job. The nest might give you good coverage, but it will not do the business for speed.

Check back through the posts on this thread, and you'll see folks having testified to how good the Orbi Mesh system is, and how fast your speeds can get.

The orbi top system is 1k… hard to justify..

alec76

micks_address wrote: »

Yeah I’m happy with the speed. Just wondering why I can only see 500mb on Speedtest app on the iPhone

Your iPhone only 2x2 MIMO , so realistically you’ll get up to 600 mbps if all 3 Nest WIFI wired to each other.
If you have 3x3 MIMO device ( ie MacBook Pro 2017-2019 ) you could score up to 800 mbps wireless.
If you could connect 3 NEST WIFI routers together via wire then it will be faster than Orbi WiFi 5 system.
As Orbi WIFI 5 are only 2x2 routers unlike 4x4 MIMO Google NEST routers.
ps.assuming you have 3 NEST WiFi routers, if you have only 1 Nest router and 2 Nest POINTS then ignore everything I’ve wrote above.

micks_address

3 nest routers. iPhone 12 Pro Max tops out at 600 mbps?

deravarra

micks_address wrote: »

The orbi top system is 1k… hard to justify..

I don't have that one. I have the AC 3200 which is far cheaper, and will give you excellent speeds.

micks_address

deravarra wrote: »

I don't have that one. I have the AC 3200 which is far cheaper, and will give you excellent speeds.

do you have the model number? what wifi speeds are you getting?

deravarra

micks_address wrote: »

do you have the model number? what wifi speeds are you getting?

I have an RBK 53 S.
On the VM 500 Mbps service, I am getting 510 Mbps on my desktop via wifi.

This model is showing at 350 euro on Amazon UK.

micks_address

deravarra wrote: »

I have an RBK 53 S.
On the VM 500 Mbps service, I am getting 510 Mbps on my desktop via wifi.

This model is showing at 350 euro on Amazon UK.

Getting close to that with nest wifi

alec76

micks_address wrote: »

3 nest routers. iPhone 12 Pro Max tops out at 600 mbps?

It is very poor performer in general, Ive seen reviews iPhone 12 Pro was barely doing over 550 Mbps on WiFi 6 system .
PS. 3 NEST WiFi routeres will outperform ORBI RBK53s if NEST routers wired.
ORBI will win if routers using wireless backhaul.

micks_address

Just a quick update. I bought the orbi 852 from Amazon warehouse. 2 unit model. Arrived today. Compared to nest wifi routers I’m getting 850mbps throughout most of the house from the iPhone 12 Pro Max.. obviously I don’t need these speeds for anything but it’s nice to see them. The dedicated channel for router to satellite on the orbi seems to make big difference. Also the units themselves are quite big..I guess helps with signal strength. For reference with nest routers I would get max 550 on Speedtest from phone. In my office where I had a nest router would have 200mbps..with the orbi have 800 plus. Where I had 3 nest routers I can probably get away with 2 orbi

I’ve listed my nest routers on adverts if anyone is interested

https://www.adverts.ie/24236684

Cheers,
Mick

matzen

micks_address wrote: »

Where I had 3 nest routers I can probably get away with 2 orbi

Cheers,
Mick

That's great info. Virgin have just made 1GB available in my estate and I would like to get it but have 1 Nest router and two old Google Wifi extenders. I'd rather not get the 1GB offer if the routers are subpar for that speed.

micks_address

matzen wrote: »

That's great info. Virgin have just made 1GB available in my estate and I would like to get it but have 1 Nest router and two old Google Wifi extenders. I'd rather not get the 1GB offer if the routers are subpar for that speed.

Yeah to be honest I’d stick with 500gb unless you want the satisfaction of seeing higher numbers in the Speedtest app it’s probably not worth performance difference

deravarra

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117593710#Comment_117593710

Greater bandwidth shared across numerous devices = less of a headache when torrenting and trying to explain to your lesser half why her internet shopping is suffering 🤣