General Premier League Thread 2020-21 - Mod Notes in 1st post. [Updated 17/12/20]

Wuff Wuff

martyos121 wrote: »

Taking a player off for a suspected concussion should result in a mandatory medical suspension of at least a week for the player's safety.

That's how you stop the rule being abused, but it's football and that makes too much sense, so it won't happen.

should be longer than a week, a team could play friday night, withdraw a player in the 75th minute for a "suspected head injury" abd then roll him out the following saturday or sunday

should be if a player is withrawn for a medical substituion they automtically miss the next game week for their own safey.

should also be position specific, no subbing on a winger for a defender etc.

CSF

I would have thought that concussion substitutions should have to be approved by an independent doctor.


It can't just be another substitution. It is definitely required but should be properly managed.

Are other countries using extra subs?

Agent Coulson

6 wrote: »

Are other countries using extra subs?

The premier league is the only major league not using it even the championship is using 5 subs.

Agent Coulson

Agent Coulson wrote: »

The premier league is the only major league not using it even the championship is using 5 subs.

Strange. Maybe the prem players can deal with a condensed season better than other leagues..

Smaller teams will suffer here towards the final 3rd of the season.

Lucas Hood

Agent Coulson wrote: »

The premier league is the only major league not using it even the championship is using 5 subs.

Not to mention the CL & EL both allow 5 subs.

Lucas Hood

Lucas Hood wrote: »

Not to mention the CL & EL both allow 5 subs.

:pac::pac: Bizarre.


"Get 3 subs done"

Fitz*

Going by Jamie Jackson, the way the teams voted for/against 5 subs is this;

A pretty even split of traditional top half clubs against traditional bottom half clubs.

1 Liverpool For
2 Spurs For
3 Saints For
4 Leicester Against
5 Everton For
6 Chelsea For
7 West Ham Against
8 Man City For
9 Man Utd For
10 Wolves Against
11 Villa Against
12 Palace Against
13 Leeds Against
14 Newcastle Against
15 Arsenal For
16 Brighton For
17 Fulham Against
18 Burnley Against
19 WBA For
20 Sheff Utd Against


https://twitter.com/JamieJackson___/status/1339587822798323716

Agent Coulson

Didn’t Moyes say if he could vote again he would change his mind and vote for 5 subs a few weeks back.

Not that it would make a difference going by that it’s a 10/10 vote.

A lot of teams fighting relegation voting against. Thought they'd want it come April/May.

Corholio

Leicester and Wolves stand out in the against vote, and Brighton and WBA stand out voting for. It shows its not as clear cut as 'top v bottom' clubs. All clubs should just accept it now, a 4th vote would be absurd at this stage.

CSF

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Didn’t Moyes say if he could vote again he would change his mind and vote for 5 subs a few weeks back.

Not that it would make a difference going by that it’s a 10/10 vote.

He did, but its not his decision to vote on that.

Agent Coulson

The FA have charged Cavani.

Edinson Cavani has been charged with misconduct for a breach of FA Rule E3 in relation to a social media post on Thursday 29 November 2020.

It is alleged that, contrary to FA Rule E3.1, a comment posted on the Manchester United FC player’s Instagram page was insulting and/or abusive and/or improper and/or brought the game into disrepute.

It is further alleged that the comment constitutes an “Aggravated Breach”, which is defined in FA Rule E3.2, as it included reference, whether express or implied, to colour and/or race and/or ethnic origin.

The striker has until Monday 4 January 2021 to provide a response to the charge

https://www.thefa.com/news/2020/dec/17/edinson-cavani-charged-with-misconduct-171220

TitianGerm

martyos121 wrote: »

Taking a player off for a suspected concussion should result in a mandatory medical suspension of at least a week for the player's safety.

That's how you stop the rule being abused, but it's football and that makes too much sense, so it won't happen.

That's a good idea actually.

Shanotheslayer

martyos121 wrote: »

Taking a player off for a suspected concussion should result in a mandatory medical suspension of at least a week for the player's safety.

That's how you stop the rule being abused, but it's football and that makes too much sense, so it won't happen.

I like it. They could specify at the time if it was precautionary or actual concussion. That way they could use a normal sub. If it happend in 80th minute or something etc

pjohnson

Isn't that how it is in rugby? Theres set "Return to Play" protocols.

ItsHoggie

I tried getting amazon to swap my region over but they said I couldn’t because first they said I don’t have Prime Video and then said I don’t have a .co.uk subscription but a .com one. Even though accessing the Prime .Co.uk website works away grand. My region on the amazon app is set to United Kingdom as well.

Shanotheslayer

Not sure where to post, but anyway I'm sure this will go down like a house on fire.

Klopp won Manager of the Year. Not sure what else Bayern Manager can do but win a treble and he still doesn't get it.

Agent Coulson

The clubs also voted today on a new 3 year deal with beIN sports the vote was 19 to 1 worth £367m.

That 1 against was Newcastle.

I'm guessing the Saudi's won't be coming in for a takeover for at 3 years now.


Keys & Gray get to keep their jobs in the Middle East.

DM_7

Son won goal of the year.

https://twitter.com/SpursOfficial/status/1339638069050433536?s=20

Collie D

Agent Coulson wrote: »

The clubs also voted today on a new 3 year deal with beIN sports the vote was 19 to 1 worth £367m.

That 1 against was Newcastle.

I'm guessing the Saudi's won't be coming in for a takeover for at 3 years now.


Keys & Gray get to keep their jobs in the Middle East.

Were Newcastle holding out for more?

Agent Coulson

Collie D wrote: »

Were Newcastle holding out for more?

Nah I think it was just a statement vote for Saudi takeover of the club being stopped due to the pirating of beIN sports by the Saudis.

Collie D

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Nah I think it was just a statement vote for Saudi takeover of the club being stopped due to the pirating of beIN sports by the Saudis.

You did allude to that in fairness but went way over my head

TitianGerm

DM_7 wrote: »

Son won goal of the year.

https://twitter.com/SpursOfficial/status/1339638069050433536?s=20

First piece of Silverware for the Spurs Trophy cabinet this year. Think they're going to win one of the cups at least, I've a few euro on them in the EL.

Fitz*

Is De Gea dropped for Henderson tonight's game?

Started the last 2 and is on the bench tonight. It's hardly an injury and keepers don't really get rested. Can't get tired anyways!

Shanotheslayer

Fitz* wrote: »

Is De Gea dropped for Henderson tonight's game?

Started the last 2 and is on the bench tonight. It's hardly an injury and keepers don't really get rested. Can't get tired anyways!

From what I read he's rested. To be fair Ancelloti has been doing the same with Pickford.

No clue how it makes sense !

bucketybuck

martyos121 wrote: »

Taking a player off for a suspected concussion should result in a mandatory medical suspension of at least a week for the player's safety.

That's how you stop the rule being abused, but it's football and that makes too much sense, so it won't happen.

TitianGerm wrote: »

That's a good idea actually.

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

I like it. They could specify at the time if it was precautionary or actual concussion. That way they could use a normal sub. If it happend in 80th minute or something etc

That idea is how you get teams leaving players on the field with possible head injuries because they don't want to risk losing them for a full week.

In other words, the exact opposite of what they are trying to achieve.

Shanotheslayer

bucketybuck wrote: »

That idea is how you get teams leaving players on the field with possible head injuries because they don't want to risk losing them for a full week.

In other words, the exact opposite of what they are trying to achieve.

As opposed to what currently happens? Which they do anyway.

bucketybuck

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

As opposed to what currently happens? Which they do anyway.

Yes, and so they are trying to change that, not encourage it further.

Shanotheslayer

bucketybuck wrote: »

Yes, and so they are trying to change that, not encourage it further.

If a player is deemed concussed they should be taking a week anyway as pointed out. Unless you are claiming clubs are playing concussed players?

If it's just precautionary they can claim that and use a standard sub as a 'just in case' situation. I don't see how any of that encourages it further.

rob316

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

Not sure where to post, but anyway I'm sure this will go down like a house on fire.

Klopp won Manager of the Year. Not sure what else Bayern Manager can do but win a treble and he still doesn't get it.

I get ya but there is nothing impressive about Bayern with the league and cup so really it's Bayern winning the cl Vs Klopp ending Liverpool's 30 year title drought. I'd pick Klopp

ERG89

Villa vs Burnley was like watching grass grow. Villa tried to play some bit at least.

rob316

ERG89 wrote: »

Villa vs Burnley was like watching grass grow. Villa tried to play some bit at least.

Dreadful but to be expected

~Rebel~

Well then.

That goalkeeping decision very quickly looks very bad.

ERG89

Henderson didn't do great but why pass to him there when there is a player in the box that could close him down.

This is it

Comical

Shanotheslayer

That is shocking by UTD

~Rebel~

As far as mistakes go though, no better time to make one. Would still have to expect a reasonably comfortable Utd win. Had been thinking 3-0 before the game, so i'll just amend that to 3-1.

Fitz*

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

From what I read he's rested. To be fair Ancelloti has been doing the same with Pickford.

No clue how it makes sense !

To be fair, Pickford has been poor enough this season with some high profile errors so it could just easily be dropped. Rested is a bit of a nice word to skirt around the issue sometimes.

A couple of months ago, it would be easier to drop De Gea. Granted I haven't seen a whole lot of him particularly lately but he seems to have been playing better.

That decision is not looking too good right now though but probably the best time to concede if you are going to concede. 80 mins left to rectify it.

PsychoPete

ERG89 wrote: »

Henderson didn't do great but why pass to him there when there is a player in the box that could close him down.

Maguire has no sense of danger

Shanotheslayer

Sheff looking like prime Barca right now

pjohnson

PsychoPete wrote: »

Maguire has no sense of danger

Maguire IS the feckin danger

tayto lover

Yer man Rashford-Offside is very fast.

bucketybuck

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

If a player is deemed concussed they should be taking a week anyway as pointed out. Unless you are claiming clubs are playing concussed players?

If it's just precautionary they can claim that and use a standard sub as a 'just in case' situation. I don't see how any of that encourages it further.

The authorities want to encourage clubs to err on the side of caution when it comes to head injuries.

Clubs are less likely to do that if it puts them at a disadvantage.

So the authorities agree a process that means the clubs aren't overly disadvantaged by removing a player who just might have a concussion.

Somebody on boards.ie thinks clubs should be disadvantaged if they do use that protocol, thus immediately negating the point of it in the first place.

I really can't explain it any simpler than that.

~Rebel~

Smashing finish from Rashford, very good goal.

ShamoBuc

Nice touch and finish.

Shanotheslayer

Some ball by Pogba

ERG89

Probably game over that. I think Ramsdale could have done better on both goals but maybe its cause I don't rate him at all.

~Rebel~

ERG89 wrote: »

Probably game over that. I think Ramsdale could have done better on both goals but maybe its cause I don't rate him at all.

Really poor keeper alright, and one of the big reasons for their massive drop in results since last year (along with losing O'Connell).

I'm surprised they went for him to replace Henderson actually, as he was poor the previous season with Bournemouth. He's young, and he'll get better, but he's not a man you want to rely on when you're facing a lot of shots.

pjohnson

~Rebel~ wrote: »

Really poor keeper alright, and one of the big reasons for their massive drop in results since last year.

I'm surprised they went for him to replace Henderson actually, as he was poor the previous season with Bournemouth. He's young, and he'll get better, but he's not a man you want to rely on when you're facing a lot of shots.

I never fully got how Howe decided Ramsdale was first choice and that Begovic should be sent out on loan to Kazakhstan and Italy.