Republic of Ireland Team Talk/News/Rumours 2020/2021 - see Mod Note in OP [18/11/20]

johnnyryan89

pjohnson wrote: »

Like Doherty a very bad move at the wrong time, someone should have advised him to stay put in Ireland. Wonder if he'll be released to come back to Ireland or will someone in the Championship/League 1 cough up the transfer fee to get him back nearer here?

Thats two internationals who made awful moves this year. Then the likes of Lee O'Connor/Jonathan Afolabi/Luca Connell who made awful moves to Celtic recently stunting their development.

Doherty is 29 not 19, was he to wait another year or two when he's gone the wrong side of 30 to try move to a bigger team. Would have been an idiot to turn down a four year contract with a team that have finished in the top six for 11 season now, and getting a good wage just to stay at Wolves who are poor themselves this season.

henke

Adrian replaces Kelleher on the bench today due to a knock according to a Liverpool journalist on Twitter. Hopefully fairly minor.

pjohnson

johnnyryan89 wrote: »

Doherty is 29 not 19, was he to wait another year or two when he's gone the wrong side of 30 to try move to a bigger team. Would have been an idiot to turn down a four year contract with a team that have finished in the top six for 11 season now, and getting a good wage just to stay at Wolves who are poor themselves this season.

We yeah he will get more money at Spurs but 29 is a bit early to be settling for warming the bench but I guess he was smart to jump at the easy money like Randolph going to West Ham.

johnnyryan89

sugarman wrote: »

Just seen it (1.40 mark) nice goal, good determination to win it. Harness got the assist for the second, decent cross into the area.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZQRlaGmNUM

Few young wingers in League One doing well with their respective clubs. Curtis and Harness are having good seasons with Portsmouth, Scully is playing very well at Lincoln and Olamide Shodipo has hit good form for Oxford with 6 goals in his last 8 games.

johnnyryan89

pjohnson wrote: »

We yeah he will get more money at Spurs but 29 is a bit early to be settling for warming the bench but I guess he was smart to jump at the easy money like Randolph going to West Ham.

Or he wants to challenge himself at a big club which has competed in Europe and finished top six since 2010.

weldoninhio

pjohnson wrote: »

Like Doherty a very bad move at the wrong time, someone should have advised him to stay put in Ireland. Wonder if he'll be released to come back to Ireland or will someone in the Championship/League 1 cough up the transfer fee to get him back nearer here?

Thats two internationals who made awful moves this year. Then the likes of Lee O'Connor/Jonathan Afolabi/Luca Connell who made awful moves to Celtic recently stunting their development.

O’Connor and Afolabi are both out on loan. O’Connor doing very well at Tranmere by all accounts.

pgj2015

I know he is injured now but did anyone see how Kieran Sadlier was doing in the championship with rotherham? hes a different kind of player we don't have, the opposite of houriahn, hendrick etc. if we have the add player from league 1 being called up, he should get a chance as well.

johnnyryan89

weldoninhio wrote: »

O’Connor and Afolabi are both out on loan. O’Connor doing very well at Tranmere by all accounts.

He's had some issues at times adapting to the physicality of senior football, but I think that was always going to happen given his size.

Had a good game as the holding midfielder for Tranmere against Peterborough and got man of the match too. Think he could do well as a number 6 and it's a position that Crawford should consider him in especially if other midfielders get called up to the seniors. Festy is more than good enough to be starting for our U21s and would probably be in the Derby first team squad only for injury.

pjohnson

Apparently Aurier was an enforced changed so Doherty might get a game next time out.

Pawwed Rig

johnnyryan89 wrote: »

Olamide Shodipo has hit good form for Oxford with 6 goals in his last 8 games.

He will be useful to compare with Parrott in League 1. If Parrott had that record there would be calls for him to start against Serbia

Banjaxed82

Pawwed Rig wrote: »

He will be useful to compare with Parrott in League 1. If Parrott had that record there would be calls for him to start against Serbia

If Parrott scored 6 goals between now and Serbia, I'd put my house on him starting.

johnnyryan89

Pawwed Rig wrote: »

He will be useful to compare with Parrott in League 1. If Parrott had that record there would be calls for him to start against Serbia

Well Parrott is nearly five years younger than Shodipo. Scully would be a better example to be comparing him with, but even then Scully is turning 22 this April whereas Parrott can still play in the next two U21s campaigns.

johnnyryan89

Big win for Anderlecht against Genk on Cullen's return from injury. Getting a lot of praise from Anderlecht fans for how he played tonight. Surely this lad needs to be in our starting XI come March.

Francie Barrett

Parrott has yet to score a goal at senior level, I know our current options are a bit $hit, but it's bonkers to even be talking about putting him in the team until he starts to prove himself.

~Rebel~

Definitely looks like Cullen has to be the favourite for the 6 position now. The only competition is McCarthy who isn't playing. Molumby as the 8, and then for the third spot (if we're sticking 4-3-3) I guess between Knight and Hourihane. (or Hendrick, but I really don't want that...)


As an aside, I've been wracking my brain the past wee while but can't remember - who was the chap on the sidelines for the last Ireland game, who was irish eligible and in the process of signing up it sounded like. He was someone else in the squad's teammate, and played as a bit of a winger/wingforward. Anyone remember his name?

johnnyryan89

~Rebel~ wrote: »

Definitely looks like Cullen has to be the favourite for the 6 position now. The only competition is McCarthy who isn't playing. Molumby as the 8, and then for the third spot (if we're sticking 4-3-3) I guess between Knight and Hourihane. (or Hendrick, but I really don't want that...)


As an aside, I've been wracking my brain the past wee while but can't remember - who was the chap on the sidelines for the last Ireland game, who was irish eligible and in the process of signing up it sounded like. He was someone else in the squad's teammate, and played as a bit of a winger/wingforward. Anyone remember his name?

Marcus Harness, right winger for Portsmouth

Ferris_Bueller

~Rebel~ wrote: »

Definitely looks like Cullen has to be the favourite for the 6 position now. The only competition is McCarthy who isn't playing. Molumby as the 8, and then for the third spot (if we're sticking 4-3-3) I guess between Knight and Hourihane. (or Hendrick, but I really don't want that...)


As an aside, I've been wracking my brain the past wee while but can't remember - who was the chap on the sidelines for the last Ireland game, who was irish eligible and in the process of signing up it sounded like. He was someone else in the squad's teammate, and played as a bit of a winger/wingforward. Anyone remember his name?

Marcus Harness. Team mate of Ronan Curtis at Portsmouth, forgot about him in fairness but playing at L1 level he would need to be playing out of his skin to get into the international team. Although definitely a position we are weak in.

Great to hear Cullen is playing so well. I'd have him in the team, I don't trust McCarthy anymore. Too injury prone and it feels like he cannot be relied upon to have an important role in the team, at least Cullen seems like a fairly like for like replacement.

Banjaxed82

Francie Barrett wrote: »

Parrott has yet to score a goal at senior level, I know our current options are a bit $hit, but it's bonkers to even be talking about putting him in the team until he starts to prove himself.

Is it that bonkers? Idah started 4 of the 5 games he was available under Kenny. Had Adam proved himself? He's been no goal machine the last 12 months.

Thinking Parrott potentially starting against Serbia isn't an opinion based on hard evidence. Just basing it any Kenny's previous choices, having no fear dropping in players and also having worked with Troy already.

If Troy starts banging them in, and assuming no other more pragmatic choice is scoring, it would hardly be a surprise if Kenny started him.

~Rebel~

Banjaxed82 wrote: »

Is it that bonkers? Idah started 4 of the 5 games he was available under Kenny. Had Adam proved himself? He's been no goal machine the last 12 months.

Thinking Parrott potentially starting against Serbia isn't an opinion based on hard evidence. Just basing it any Kenny's previous choices, having no fear dropping in players and also having worked with Troy already.

If Troy starts banging them in, and assuming no other more pragmatic choice is scoring, it would hardly be a surprise if Kenny started him.

There just isn't a good choice really... we don't have anyone that can comfortably play up top on their own. Honestly I think it's madness to persist with it, when perhaps playing with 2 up takes a little bit of the weight off our young strikers shoulders. Just for a year or so at least, until the likes of Idah and Parrott mature enough to be able to do what McGoldrick did. Once one of those lads develops, we have quite a nice squad for a 4-3-3, but not until then.

In the mean-time, for the sake of pragmatism, i'd love to see something like;

---

Randolph
----Coleman----Egan----O'Shea
Doherty

---

Cullen

---

Stevens

---

Molumby

---

Knight

---

Robinson---Connolly


There's a lot of shuffling could be done with the positions... Coleman could go wide, Duffy could come in, Brady or McClean could play LWB, Hourihane's form could put him ahead of Knight. The 2 up front could be any number of combinations, depending on who's playing regularly/well.

I like the idea of Robinson and Connolly as a partnership though - both premier league players, and comfortable as wing forwards but also going more central. So as the wingback comes up the side, the closer one can move wide for the overlap, while the other pulls central behind him. The more attacking midfielder comes up to support to give 2 solid passing triangles at any given time to be able to work a chance.

Francie Barrett

johnnyryan89 wrote: »

Big win for Anderlecht against Genk on Cullen's return from injury. Getting a lot of praise from Anderlecht fans for how he played tonight. Surely this lad needs to be in our starting XI come March.

I watched most of it. Cullen had his best game from the couple of times I've seen him in an Anderlecht shirt. He plays as the defensive shield in front of the back four. He has a great engine, must cover the most amount of ground on the pitch and isn't afraid to get stuck in. The Anderlecht team is very young, so it's great to see his leadership qualities come out. He's probably not as good technically as McCarthy, but he does have a bit more tenacity about him.

Pawwed Rig

Hendrick is suspended for the next match right?

population

Pawwed Rig wrote: »

Hendrick is suspended for the next match right?

I don't know. But I hope so.

Pawwed Rig

population wrote: »

I don't know. But I hope so.

Sent off against Wales and missed the Bulgaria game. Is it a 1 or 2 match ban?

pgj2015

Kelleher should be coming in to replace Alisson after that horror show yesterday. his head is gone.

~Rebel~

pgj2015 wrote: »

Kelleher should be coming in to replace Alisson after that horror show yesterday. his head is gone.

One bad game while recovering from illness.
Alisson will be starting no.1 safely enough, especially with a week till the next match.
Wouldn’t worry about him to be honest.

Kelleher was out with a knock anyway, and hopefully the week off gets him back on the bench in place of Adrian at least.

pgj2015

~Rebel~ wrote: »

One bad game while recovering from illness.
Alisson will be starting no.1 safely enough, especially with a week till the next match.
Wouldn’t worry about him to be honest.

Kelleher was out with a knock anyway, and hopefully the week off gets him back on the bench in place of Adrian at least.

If I was Klopp I would have taken him off after the third goal, or maybe they had no subs left?

A lot of keepers cant stop making mistakes after a big howler. look at Kepa.

I bet he(Alisson)will keep making silly mistakes for the next few games.

~Rebel~

pgj2015 wrote: »

If I was Klopp I would have taken him off after the third goal, or maybe they had no subs left?

A lot of keepers cant stop making mistakes after a big howler. look at Kepa.

I bet he(Alisson)will keep making silly mistakes for the next few games.

He’ll be grand.

To keep it on topic, it’s important a good loan is found for Kelleher for next season. Hopefully his few reasonably solid appearances this year will earn him some interest from a decent level club.

Pawwed Rig

Liverpool will hardly let him go if he is the number 2

Kirby

pgj2015 wrote: »

If I was Klopp I would have taken him off after the third goal, or maybe they had no subs left?

You never substitute a keeper unless they are injured, it's a friendly or the replacement is a penalty specialist.

If he's having a mare, so be it. He's having a mare. At several goals down you will probably lose the game anyway so what would it accomplish exactly except to cause problems? You will have to deal with media bullsh*t for weeks on end not to mention it sends a terrible message to the rest of the team and will have long-lasting effects on the confidence of the keeper. No good will come of it.

~Rebel~

Pawwed Rig wrote: »

Liverpool will hardly let him go if he is the number 2

They’ll almost certainly let Adrian go, sign a new backup, and loan out Kelleher. They’ve been very clear that Kelleher needs games at his age, and had a loan move agreed when Alisson got injured earlier in the season and they held onto him instead.

The shorter term cover he offers is to his (and Liverpool’s) long term detriment. It’s a waste giving him 4 or 5 games a year, when he’ll improve at a much slower rate and not increase in value.

pgj2015

Kirby wrote: »

You never substitute a keeper unless they are injured, it's a friendly or the replacement is a penalty specialist.

If he's having a mare, so be it. He's having a mare. At several goals down you will probably lose the game anyway so what would it accomplish exactly except to cause problems? You will have to deal with media bullsh*t for weeks on end not to mention it sends a terrible message to the rest of the team and will have long-lasting effects on the confidence of the keeper. No good will come of it.

leaving him on might cause even more problems, what if he had 2 or 3 howlers after the first blunder? just because he is a goal keeper shouldn't make a difference, he is still a player who is having an awful game. anyway best get back on topic.

yourdeadwright

pgj2015 wrote: »

If I was Klopp I would have taken him off after the third goal, or maybe they had no subs left?

A lot of keepers cant stop making mistakes after a big howler. look at Kepa.

I bet he(Alisson)will keep making silly mistakes for the next few games.

Your post would confirm you have never been involved in a team at a decent level,

You do not embarrass the goal keeper further by taking him off,
It would cause you far more problems in the long run, with the player ,with the dressing room ,with the media,

That's without even taking into account your 2 goals down with 14 minutes to go against a team like City & with only one subs left, None if you replace the keeper

Alisson made a similar mistake in one of his first games away to Leicester and went on to be keeper of the season that year, He will be fine

pgj2015

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Your post would confirm you have never been involved in a team at a decent level,

You do not embarrass the goal keeper further by taking him off,
It would cause you far more problems in the long run, with the player ,with the dressing room ,with the media,

That's without even taking into account your 2 goals down with 14 minutes to go against a team like City & with only one subs left, None if you replace the keeper

Alisson made a similar mistake in one of his first games away to Leicester and went on to be keeper of the season that year, He will be fine

Ok Fergie. lol I never said I was and didn't know you had to be involved in a team at a decent level to post an opinion on boards soccer forum. I will keep my unqualified opinions to myself in future.

Also just because something "isn't done" doesn't mean it has to stay that way.

Teams always played with at least 1 striker until Spain played with just defenders and midfielders at a euros or world cup a few years back.


what do you consider a team at a decent level?

yourdeadwright

pgj2015 wrote: »

Ok Fergie. lol I never said I was and didn't know you had to be involved in a team at a decent level to post an opinion on boards soccer forum. I will keep my unqualified opinions to myself in future.

Also just because something "isn't done" doesn't mean it has to stay that way.

Teams always played with at least 1 striker until Spain played with just defenders and midfielders at a euros or world cup a few years back.


what do you consider a team at a decent level?

Positioning and tactics are completely different than burying your goal keeper mid match, .

In any of the top leagues at any age group across the length of the country you would not see a keeper being buried like that, Certainly not from the age of 14 up ,

Im not saying you can't have an opinion because of a level you've played,
The beauty of football is everyone can see things no matter what level you've been at ,I

Its just something like doing that to your keeper you will have a good understanding of what it will do to the player and his team mates if you've been in a decent side and in and around lads in the dressing room or training pitch, It would not end well at all,
Keepers more so than any other players need to feel they are backed but there manger and there back four, otherwise the end is near ,

pgj2015

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Positioning and tactics are completely different than burying your goal keeper mid match, .

In any of the top leagues at any age group across the length of the country you would not see a keeper being buried like that, Certainly not from the age of 14 up ,

Im not saying you can't have an opinion because of a level you've played,
The beauty of football is everyone can see things no matter what level you've been at ,I

Its just something like doing that to your keeper you will have a good understanding of what it will do to the player and his team mates if you've been in a decent side and in and around lads in the dressing room or training pitch, It would not end well at all,
Keepers more so than any other players need to feel they are backed but there manger and there back four, otherwise the end is near ,

everyone has a bad game sometimes, I have myself so I know some days its just not going your way and you are better off coming off. I don't see why goalkeepers are any different. His head was gone after the first cock up, I suppose that wasnt clear until he made the second blunder.


what is a good level?

yourdeadwright

pgj2015 wrote: »

everyone has a bad game sometimes, I have myself so I know some days its just not going your way and you are better off coming off. I don't see why goalkeepers are any different. His head was gone after the first cock up, I suppose that wasnt clear until he made the second blunder.


what is a good level?

There is 14 minutes to go and your 2 goals down to a side how are expected to beat you, there is literally no point in doing that to your keeper,

A decent level is playing in any of the top division as a school boy up ,if you've done that for you youth you'll have had a good organised side and have a good understanding what it takes to top player even if you are not one yourself, You'll have no doubt played with lads or against lads that go on to be pro's ,

Senior level in Dublin for example playing Premier A or top Leinster senior league is more than a decent level in this country , Obviously your days of becoming a pro have passed you by although you still get the odd lads who get picked up by LOI

weldoninhio

pgj2015 wrote: »

If I was Klopp I would have taken him off after the third goal, or maybe they had no subs left?

A lot of keepers cant stop making mistakes after a big howler. look at Kepa.

I bet he(Alisson)will keep making silly mistakes for the next few games.

Would you haul a midfielder who made 2 mistakes? A Striker? Defender? You'd run out of subs fairly quickly.

pgj2015

yourdeadwright wrote: »

There is 14 minutes to go and your 2 goals down to a side how are expected to beat you, there is literally no point in doing that to your keeper,

A decent level is playing in any of the top division as a school boy up ,if you've done that for you youth you'll have had a good organised side and have a good understanding what it takes to top player even if you are not one yourself, You'll have no doubt played with lads or against lads that go on to be pro's ,

Senior level in Dublin for example playing Premier A or top Leinster senior league is more than a decent level in this country , Obviously your days of becoming a pro have passed you by although you still get the odd lads who get picked up by LOI

what if he had let in another 3 goals in that 14 minutes? could easily happen with city. might take him months to recover from that. I still think I would take him off. felt sorry for him but they were inexcusable mistakes.

pgj2015

weldoninhio wrote: »

Would you haul a midfielder who made 2 mistakes? A Striker? Defender? You'd run out of subs fairly quickly.

more chance of getting away with a mistake by a defender or midfielder, if your keepers head is gone and he cant even manage the basics, you are in serious trouble. it would be like if your striker had 2 open goals and missed the two of them in the space of a few minutes, you probably would haul him off.

weldoninhio

pgj2015 wrote: »

more chance of getting away with a mistake by a defender or midfielder, if your keepers head is gone and he cant even manage the basics, you are in serious trouble. it would be like if your striker had 2 open goals and missed the two of them in the space of a few minutes, you probably would haul him off.

Incorrect, you probably would. Most managers would be thankful for a striker who gets into two goal scoring positions in the space of a few minutes.

Andy Cole, for example, was a prolific striker known for needing quite a few chances to put one away.

yourdeadwright

pgj2015 wrote: »

more chance of getting away with a mistake by a defender or midfielder, if your keepers head is gone and he cant even manage the basics, you are in serious trouble. it would be like if your striker had 2 open goals and missed the two of them in the space of a few minutes, you probably would haul him off.

Mo Salah does it every week but scores the 3rd chance

Taking off a striker or midfielder is nothing like taking off a goal keeper,
You might think its the same one player leaves and another enters but its simple is not ,

Francie Barrett

Dunne and Long get the nod for Burnley in the FA Cup game starting shortly.

Pawwed Rig

pgj2015 wrote: »

what if he had let in another 3 goals in that 14 minutes? could easily happen with city. might take him months to recover from that. I still think I would take him off. felt sorry for him but they were inexcusable mistakes.

Then you send him on loan to Turkey or Berlin and hope everyone forgets.

Francie Barrett

Goal for Ronan Curtis. Parrott in action for Ipswich.

Dr. Bre

A young Irish player has come on for wham

ScummyMan

sugarman wrote: »

Looks like Odubeko is about to come on for West Ham.

On in 50th min

Great experience for him

Quazzie

Dr. Bre wrote: »

A young Irish player has come on for wham

That's to be confirmed isn't it?

ScummyMan

Quazzie wrote: »

That's to be confirmed isn't it?

He is from Tallaght

Quazzie

ScummyMan wrote: »

He is from Tallaght

And can declare for England, so I suppose, much like his WH teammate Rice it depends how well he does.

Quazzie

sugarman wrote: »

Well, no. Hes Irish born and bred and has represented us up as far as u17. He hasnt made his intentions known, but theres no reason to assume he'll jump ship. As far as I know hes not even eligible for England. Just Ireland and Nigeria.

Qualifies through residency. West Ham would much prefer him to be English. Adds a lot to his price