Republic of Ireland Team Talk/News/Rumours 2020/2021 - see Mod Note in OP [18/11/20]

LuckyLloyd

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Not having that for tonight to be honest. Our record at home against 4th and 5th seeds is exemplary over the last 12 years (i.e. during the period our playing pool is declining).

That was a disgraceful performance against lessor opposition. We allowed them to be nice and tidy and play a structured game. We did nothing to leverage our strengths and Kenny was completely unable to stem the worsening flow of the game. Slow, aimless and soft.

Im defending anyone for tonight, but who honestly can we hire????

NIMAN

I think he should walk, and I say that as someone who likes him.

He is on a hiding to nothing. The job will ruin him if it continues like this.

LuckyLloyd

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Im defending anyone for tonight, but who honestly can we hire????

You have to get rid of him first.
You go into the next game with the supporting staff. But he’s quite obviously completely out of his depth.

445279.ie

It’s the hope that’d kill ya

TheCitizen

TheCitizen wrote: »

Sack him. Sack him immediately. Don’t drag it out. Nothing against Stephen and he tried but it’s not working

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Should be sacked, no ifs or buts.

To be honest, I don't see who would be willing to take the job firstly, or who could improve us. For me, the FAI's decades of negligence has bubbled to the surface

pjohnson

NIMAN wrote: »

I think he should walk, and I say that as someone who likes him.

He is on a hiding to nothing. The job will ruin him if it continues like this.

It wont really though. He'll get his job back at a League of Ireland club no problem. His reputation isn't going to be damaged no matter how bad he does.

LuckyLloyd

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

You have to get rid of him first.
You go into the next game with the supporting staff. But he’s quite obviously completely out of his depth.

So we sack Kenny.....who do we go for?????

LuckyLloyd

And by the way, who gives a **** about ‘playing the ball on the ground’. No tempo, no intensity, no purpose, no backbone, no edge. That’s what matters.

LuckyLloyd

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

And by the way, who gives a **** about ‘playing the ball on the ground’. No tempo, no intensity, no purpose, no backbone, no edge. That’s what matters.

Who do we go for??

LuckyLloyd

[Deleted User] wrote: »

So we sack Kenny.....who do we go for?????

Doesn’t matter. That process will play out in time. But you don’t pay and have a figurehead who is so off the necessary standards.

TheCitizen

[Deleted User] wrote: »

So we sack Kenny.....who do we go for?????

He’s done. We have to sack him.

NIMAN

pjohnson wrote: »

It wont really though. He'll get his job back at a League of Ireland club no problem. His reputation isn't going to be damaged no matter how bad he does.

But as an international manager , you'd think your next job would be at a higher level than the loi.

Walking into a loi job wouldnt be something to celebrate on his cv

LuckyLloyd

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Doesn’t matter. That process will play out in time. But you don’t pay and have a figurehead who is so off the necessary standards.

Bull. You don't sack a manager unless you have a plan. No manager worth their salt will take this job. Mick McCarthy is laughing he got out of there.

LuckyLloyd

NIMAN wrote: »

But as an international manager , you'd think your next job would be at a higher level than the loi.

Walking into a loi job wouldnt be something to celebrate on his cv

He’s not getting any better job after this. He’s performing every inch as the failed Scottish Premier League manager he has been in the past.

He should try and cling onto this as long as he can, as it is the peak of his career quite obviously.

Annabella1

FAI don’t have a penny to hire anyone

TheCitizen

TheCitizen wrote: »

He’s done. We have to sack him.

Can one single poster on this thread actually answer me, who do we go for though??? It only makes sense to sack a manager if we have a plan. No one has once been able to explain to me as to what we do after we sack Kenny

Loafing Oaf

Deleted User wrote: »

Who do we go for??

I hear Steve Staunton's available...

briany

Ireland at the moment reminds me of that time on the Simpsons where Bart decided to try and be a really good student because Lisa was becoming a bad one. Cut to Bart sitting attentively in class, raising his hand for every question, before Mrs Krabappel tells him to put his hand down because he hasn't given one right answer all day.

Point being you can have good intentions but if the skillset isn't there, you're still going to fail.

I'm sure Stephen Kenny works hard in his role, and I wish him every success in his professional life, but it doesn't seem to be happening for him as Ireland manager.

pjohnson

NIMAN wrote: »

But as an international manager , you'd think your next job would be at a higher level than the loi.

Walking into a loi job wouldnt be something to celebrate on his cv

His CV means this was likely always his highest level. Given his previous failure in Scotland he couldn't even try eyeing up the Celtic job.

FixdePitchmark

He is a class act.

briany

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

I hear Steve Staunton's available...

By comparison, Staunton actually had some positive results. He had some howlers as well, but at least the team could beat Slovakia at home.

briany

briany wrote: »

Ireland at the moment reminds me of that time on the Simpsons where Bart decided to try and be a really good student because Lisa was becoming a bad one. Cut to Bart sitting attentively in class, raising his hand for every question, before Mrs Krabappel tells him to put his hand down because he hasn't given one right answer all day.

Point being you can have good intentions but if the skillset isn't there, you're still going to fail.

I'm sure Stephen Kenny works hard in his role, and I wish him every success in his professional life, but it doesn't seem to be happening for him as Ireland manager.

Stephen Kenny has been landed with a squad of Bart Simpsons

pjohnson

briany wrote: »

Ireland at the moment reminds me of that time on the Simpsons where Bart decided to try and be a really good student because Lisa was becoming a bad one. Cut to Bart sitting attentively in class, raising his hand for every question, before Mrs Krabappel tells him to put his hand down because he hasn't given one right answer all day.

Point being you can have good intentions but if the skillset isn't there, you're still going to fail.

I'm sure Stephen Kenny works hard in his role, and I wish him every success in his professional life, but it doesn't seem to be happening for him as Ireland manager.

That episode always gets me in the feels. (I think its the same one where he tries really hard and still fails but when Krabappel realises he actually tried she passes him).

the kelt

Deleted User wrote: »

Bull. You don't sack a manager unless you have a plan. No manager worth their salt will take this job. Mick McCarthy is laughing he got out of there.

So just leave him there then!

Islander13

Deleted User wrote: »

Stephen Kenny has been landed with a squad of Bart Simpsons

A below average squad has homer simpson as their manager would be a better Springfield analogy

ScummyMan

I don’t know lads, I just don’t know.

World Cup is gone now, so what good is sacking him?

This is embarrassing don’t get me wrong, but there’s glimmers of what he is trying to build. We have a decent young crop, but our senior players are letting us down badly. Brady, Clark, McClean, Hendrick, awful.

I’d give him the rest of the campaign to blood the rest of the kids he has helped develop. What’s the alternative, Neil f*cking Lennon?

briany

pjohnson wrote: »

That episode always gets me in the feels. (I think its the same one where he tries really hard and still fails but when Krabappel realises he actually tried she passes him).

No, it's the one where Lisa is told she can't make it as a jazz saxophonist, so she becomes disillusioned and starts misbehaving in school. Milhouse says to Bart, "Gee, Bart. Now that Lisa is a bad student, maybe you'll become a really good one?", or words to that effect.

wadacrack

Tough times for us all. Very poor at International football but at least were still No 1 at GAA and drinking. Wait no pubs are still closed and GAA not elite....

briany

Deleted User wrote: »

Stephen Kenny has been landed with a squad of Bart Simpsons

Not really, because Bart is a good guy at sports. Kenny has a team of Martin Princes and Ralph Wiggums (by professional footballing standards, anyway).

FixdePitchmark

ScummyMan wrote: »

I don’t know lads, I just don’t know.

World Cup is gone now, so what good is sacking him?

This is embarrassing don’t get me wrong, but there’s glimmers of what he is trying to build. We have a decent young crop, but our senior players are letting us down badly. Brady, Clark, McClean, Hendrick, awful.

I’d give him the rest of the campaign to blood the rest of the kids he has helped develop. What’s the alternative, Neil f*cking Lennon?

This makes sense.

Go all out development.

No pressure of results.
No fans
No qualification issues.

Probably best option

pjohnson

briany wrote: »

No, it's the one where Lisa is told she can't make it as a jazz saxophonist, so she becomes disillusioned and starts misbehaving in school. Milhouse says to Bart, "Gee, Bart. Now that Lisa is a bad student, maybe you'll become a really good one?", or words to that effect.

Whoops my mistake.

For Forks Sake

https://twitter.com/KillianM2/status/1375928755860996102

FixdePitchmark

Rte quiz..who is irish team manager ? 😆

ShamoBuc

The result tonight is obviously disappointing but the squad needs to be kept in mind.

I doubt even Shankly would make a go at this Irish squad. There was a time when we had players at United, Liverpool etc in our team. Look at what is available now.

It is too easy to blame Kenny.


But that won't stop it happening.

FixdePitchmark

Kenny always trying to be in conflict with every point.

TheCitizen

Deleted User wrote: »

Can one single poster on this thread actually answer me, who do we go for though??? It only makes sense to sack a manager if we have a plan. No one has once been able to explain to me as to what we do after we sack Kenny

I have no idea right now, but Stephen unfortunately is finished. They're not playing for him. To drag it out does him or the players no good.

the kelt

ShamoBuc wrote: »

The result tonight is obviously disappointing but the squad needs to be kept in mind.

I doubt even Shankly would make a go at this Irish squad. There was a time when we had players at United, Liverpool etc in our team. Look at what is available now.

It is too easy to blame Kenny.


But that won't stop it happening.

Should we be losing at home to Luxembourg? They were 6/1 to win tonight and quite frankly deserved it.

briany

As an aside, did this match really have to be played in the Aviva tonight? Considering there were no fans there, I could imagine that there would have been other grounds under FAI jurisdiction which could have handled the attendance of zero, and in a smaller ground, the atmosphere wouldn't be quite so empty. It would still be empty, yes, just less so.

the kelt

the kelt wrote: »

So just leave him there then!

Honestly, I would leave him the campaign at least. I won't paint over it, it's a woeful night for Irish football, make no mistake, but if we become a revolving door for managers, it won't get us anywhere either. I was actually encouraged by the Serbia performance, but tonight was absolutely abysmal. The simple fact is that Irish football has been in decline for years.

Another thing we must remember about Kenny. He is the only Irish manager whose team never got the chance to play in front of a crowd. This might make some difference to our urgency.

FixdePitchmark

He can hardly answer questions

artanevilla

briany wrote: »

As an aside, did this match really have to be played in the Aviva tonight? Considering there were no fans there, I could imagine that there would have been other grounds under FAI jurisdiction which could have handled the attendance of zero, and in a smaller ground, the atmosphere wouldn't be quite so empty. It would still be empty, yes, just less so.

Dalymount had a game already today.

briany

ShamoBuc wrote: »

The result tonight is obviously disappointing but the squad needs to be kept in mind.

I doubt even Shankly would make a go at this Irish squad. There was a time when we had players at United, Liverpool etc in our team. Look at what is available now.

It is too easy to blame Kenny.


But that won't stop it happening.

Technically, the manager never deserves the blame because he's not the one out there on the pitch kicking the ball. Doesn't mean he doesn't get the blame, though.

the kelt

Deleted User wrote: »

Honestly, I would leave him the campaign at least. I won't paint over it, it's a woeful night for Irish football, make no mistake, but if we become a revolving door for managers, it won't get us anywhere either. I was actually encouraged by the Serbia performance, but tonight was absolutely abysmal. The simple fact is that Irish football has been in decline for years.

Another thing we must remember about Kenny. He is the only Irish manager whose team never got the chance to play in front of a crowd. This might make some difference to our urgency.

I’m not arguing we haven’t been in decline for years, still doesn’t mean the manger knows what he’s doing! Luxembourg at home! They wer 6/1 to win tonight.

Delaney has messed up soccer in this country for years yet people, still defend one of the most bonkers decisions he made, oddly!

I’m not so sure having a crowd there with that performance would be a positive.

But probably best to leave him there, qualification is gone and work on a replacement in the meantime.

TheCitizen

TheCitizen wrote: »

I have no idea right now, but Stephen unfortunately is finished. They're not playing for him. To drag it out does him or the players no good.

So you have absolutely no idea of who our next manager should be, but you think our current one should be sacked? Im interested to know how you envisage us improving under a new manager that you don't even know the identity of yet?

Mantis Toboggan

Kenny obviously clueless but the FAI are broke, any decent manager would be too expensive. Maybe give Andrews a go.

TheCitizen

Deleted User wrote: »

So you have absolutely no idea of who our next manager should be, but you think our current one should be sacked? Im interested to know how you envisage us improving under a new manager that you don't even know the identity of yet?

The players aren't playing for him. He's done. Don't you get it?

pjohnson

pjohnson wrote: »

It wont really though. He'll get his job back at a League of Ireland club no problem. His reputation isn't going to be damaged no matter how bad he does.

He'll achieve success with whatever LOI club he takes over. He's a decent sort. Its the right man at probably the wrong time for me.

ShamoBuc

the kelt wrote: »

Should we be losing at home to Luxembourg? They were 6/1 to win tonight and quite frankly deserved it.

I think Greece were close to that v Spain for the draw, finished 1-1.
Should Spain not be beating Greece at home?

We should be beating them, but we didn't, it happens.

Would I sack Kenny because of tonight? No.

Doesn't stop me being disappointed but I look at the squad we had for tonight and honestly there really isn't much international quality there. But I do think he had us playing a better style of football in the last game, but tonight we were poor and gave the ball away an atrocious amounts of time. I can't really blame Kenny for that.

TheCitizen

TheCitizen wrote: »

The players aren't playing for him. He's done. Don't you get it?

They wont play for the next one either, or the one after that. The senior players are terrible. Technically no skill. Shane Long a disaster tonight for a player of such experience. Couldnt direct a simple header. All these got into the professional ranks because the 'up and atom' mentality was in English football. Those days are long gone.

topmanamillion

Desperate stuff tonight. You can pile all the pressure you want on Kenny but we were hardly stellar under Mick either, 7 goals in that qualifying campaign and struggled to put Gibraltar away.

I'm ambivalent about Kenny staying or going because I believe the problems with the sport runs far deeper than one man.

There's been a chickens coming home to roost moment on the way for a long time and I honestly don't think it's going to stop with tonight's result. We could be in for a very harsh decade.