Republic of Ireland Team Talk/News/Rumours 2020/2021 - see Mod Note in OP [18/11/20]

noodler

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Thiago Silva made Calum Robinson look like a world beater and he cannot hit a barn door for Ireland.
Couldn't make it up.

Bit harsh.

He's played 618 minutes for Ireland in wide positions and in tough games.

I don't expect we will have a prolific striker at international level again in the near future

Father Hernandez

https://twitter.com/SheffieldUnited/status/1310158801874677761?s=20

Another Irish international captaining Sheffield United.

Let's hope he lasts longer than 12 minutes! :pac:

scouserstation

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

Bartley goal now. What is happening?

Delighted for Robinson. Might be earning himself a start for us.

Robinson has to be shoe in for a start against Slovakia, if Kenny is gonna go for a 4-3-3 you could have Connolly, Mc Goldrick and Robinson as a front 3 would be a decent line up

TheCitizen

That touch from McGoldrick there for the chance for Lunstrum was brilliant. Had to see the replay to confirm he meant it. He knew exactly what he was doing.

plibige

scouserstation wrote: »

Robinson has to be shoe in for a start against Slovakia, if Kenny is gonna go for a 4-3-3 you could have Connolly, Mc Goldrick and Robinson as a front 3 would be a decent line up

That was the front 3 I always fancied the most. I thought it had good balance too with Robinson and Connolly being natural "wide forwards" as opposed to wingers or attacking mids

noodler

God you'd worry about SU atm!

tayto lover

Bamford scores again.
Call him up 😛🤩😛

weldoninhio

tayto lover wrote: »

Bamford scores again.
Call him up 😛🀩😛

Can’t call up English players.

johnnyryan89

noodler wrote: »

God you'd worry about SU atm!

Yeah have a feeling that second season syndrome is going to hit them hard. Bit like Reading when Steve Coppell got them promoted, and finished eight in their first season but got relegated the next season. Wilder is a good manager, but they haven't really strengthened their team.

johnnyryan89

17yr old Sean Roughan starts his third consecutive game for Lincoln City at LB, having only turned 17 on the last day of August and getting his leaving cert results.

henke

Liam Delap on for his PL debut at the age of 17. This kid is obviously very highly regarded so I think it's highly unlikely we ever see him in the green.

noodler

henke wrote: »

Liam Delap on for his PL debut at the age of 17. This kid is obviously very highly regarded so I think it's highly unlikely we ever see him in the green.

Sky already had him with the English flag graphic beside his name. I don't think it's even on the radar

DJIMI TRARORE

henke wrote:

Liam Delap on for his PL debut at the age of 17. This kid is obviously very highly regarded so I think it's highly unlikely we ever see him in the green.

Only if city's 3rd strip is green, he didn't get his dad's looks

Arthur Daley

End of the day England can only fit 20 outfield players into a squad for a major championship. Loads of competition these days.

johnnyryan89

Arthur Daley wrote: »

End of the day England can only fit 20 outfield players into a squad for a major championship. Loads of competition these days.

It's why at this stage we're better off just making sure English born dual national players who need to be registered on the foreign births register are and letting them do their thing until they're 20/21 before approaching them.

It was Tammy Abraham and Mason Greenwood last season, looks like it's going to be Liam Delap this season, and for all we know another young promising striker will emerge for England next season. English clubs have gotten their act together and are developing top top prospects for the senior team and imo will win an international tournament in the next ten years.

The lad might feel both English and Irish, but has grown up in England and half his family are English. He's obviously going to go with England as his first choice if he's good enough. Ring up his dad to see if the lad has his passport sorted, wish him luck and see where he's at in a couple of years. We'll have our own issues with dual national players given the numbers that have emigrated here from Africa and Eastern Europe. Let the English born lads do their own thing and worry about the dual nationals that we're developing in Ireland.

Christy Browne

johnnyryan89 wrote: »

It's why at this stage we're better off just making sure English born dual national players who need to be registered on the foreign births register are and letting them do their thing until they're 20/21 before approaching them.

It was Tammy Abraham and Mason Greenwood last season, looks like it's going to be Liam Delap this season, and for all we know another young promising striker will emerge for England next season. English clubs have gotten their act together and are developing top top prospects for the senior team and imo will win an international tournament in the next ten years.

The lad might feel both English and Irish, but has grown up in England and half his family are English. He's obviously going to go with England as his first choice if he's good enough. Ring up his dad to see if the lad has his passport sorted, wish him luck and see where he's at in a couple of years. We'll have our own issues with dual national players given the numbers that have emigrated here from Africa and Eastern Europe. Let the English born lads do their own thing and worry about the dual nationals that we're developing in Ireland.

Does anyone know how Rory was eligible to play for us? Parents or grandparents?

johnnyryan89

Christy Browne wrote: »

Does anyone know how Rory was eligible to play for us? Parents or grandparents?

Parents are from Donegal I think.

Brock Turnpike

noodler wrote: »

Sky already had him with the English flag graphic beside his name. I don't think it's even on the radar

Just to get this straight... Because a TV station graphic has the England flag next to his name it means he has not even considered playing for Ireland? Good to know for future reference when a young player of dual nationality has a potential decision to make.

noodler

Brock Turnpike wrote: »

Just to get this straight... Because a TV station graphic has the England flag next to his name it means he has not even considered playing for Ireland? Good to know for future reference when a young player of dual nationality has a potential decision to make.

Good post, 10/10 stuff

You obviously missed the discussion earlier in the thread after his Carabo Cup goal earlier in the week.

The point wasn't just sky having that graphic more that he has represented England at underage.

There isn't actually a decision to be made just because he is technically eligible. That would be your optimism/naivety.

Brock Turnpike

noodler wrote: »

Good post, 10/10 stuff

You obviously missed the discussion earlier in the thread after his Carabo Cup goal earlier in the week.

The point wasn't just sky having that graphic more that he has represented England at underage.

There isn't actually a decision to be made just because he is technically eligible. That would be your optimism/naivety.

Yes, and your naivety and the exact point you posted was there was no chance of him declaring for Ireland because Sky's graphic had an English flag beside his name.

johnnyryan89

johnnyryan89 wrote: »

17yr old Sean Roughan starts his third consecutive game for Lincoln City at LB, having only turned 17 on the last day of August and getting his leaving cert results.

Three wins from three and two clean sheets for Lincoln with Roughan in the starting XI. Our long term LB may have just arrived out of nowhere for us.

noodler

Brock Turnpike wrote: »

Yes, and your naivety and the exact point you posted was there was no chance of him declaring for Ireland because Sky's graphic had an English flag beside his name.

Grand stuff, genius.

Great discussion.

Wuff Wuff

Another 2 goals and an assist for Jack Byrne tonight,... Kenny is there watching

Banjaxed82

If Jack Byrne, on current form, can't get into a rather average Irish squad (with Stephen Kenny as manager), then we'll be waiting a while before we see another LOI player getting a call up.

ArmaniJeanss

noodler wrote: »

The point wasn't just sky having that graphic more that he has represented England at underage.

Does this matter much? I thought there was a rule that you could only represent the country where you live until a certain age, regardless of who you felt affinity to.
FIFA/UEFA don't want U16s travelling halfway around the world on their own to meet up/play with a different underage structure.
I could be wrong, but fairly sure it was a rule at some stage.

D.Q

Banjaxed82 wrote: »

If Jack Byrne, on current form, can't get into a rather average Irish squad (with Stephen Kenny as manager), then we'll be waiting a while before we see another LOI player getting a call up.

100%. Needs to be included.

Brock Turnpike

I really hope Kenny picks Jack Byrne in the squad. I can't see his current system working well without a player who can pick a creative pass. He normally had Conor Ronan in his U21s team for that reason, so you would think with Byrne being the only player of that type that we have, Kenny would pick him in the squad at least.

simongurnick

What's the deal with Delap's son lads? Is he eligible?

Brock Turnpike

simongurnick wrote: »

What's the deal with Delap's son lads? Is he eligible?

Read back the last few page for the full picture.

In short: Eligible but it's thought he favours England as he was born there.

johnnyryan89

Brock Turnpike wrote: »

I really hope Kenny picks Jack Byrne in the squad. I can't see his current system working well without a player who can pick a creative pass. He normally had Conor Ronan in his U21s team for that reason, so you would think with Byrne being the only player of that type that we have, Kenny would pick him in the squad at least.

Yeah I hope he's selected, and regardless of where he plays we'll need someone like him in midfield for a more possession based style to work. He's comfortable with the ball at his feet, he'll carry the ball with him and will look to pick a pass.

Think another reason to consider Byrne is his fitness and sharpness is tip top. Against Bulgaria and Finland the fitness levels were poor and the team looked sluggish. Obviously covid played a part in that but some lads might not have got enough game time between now and then, and we can't afford really for some lads to be going through the motions in a game this important.

scouserstation

Brock Turnpike wrote: »

I really hope Kenny picks Jack Byrne in the squad. I can't see his current system working well without a player who can pick a creative pass. He normally had Conor Ronan in his U21s team for that reason, so you would think with Byrne being the only player of that type that we have, Kenny would pick him in the squad at least.

Id be baffled if Kenny didn't include him in the squad, especially with the amount of injuries at the moment, he most likely won't start him though he'd be ideal to bring off the bench if were struggling to create chances

johnnyryan89

Troy Parrot out for up to six weeks, massive blow for Jim Crawford and the U21s for next month's game against Italy.

pjohnson

Brock Turnpike wrote: »

I really hope Kenny picks Jack Byrne in the squad. I can't see his current system working well without a player who can pick a creative pass. He normally had Conor Ronan in his U21s team for that reason, so you would think with Byrne being the only player of that type that we have, Kenny would pick him in the squad at least.

More likely to just pick Ronan so.

Brock Turnpike

pjohnson wrote: »

More likely to just pick Ronan so.

Unlikely. Not getting a look-in in the Swiss 2nd division.

johnnyryan89

Brock Turnpike wrote: »

Unlikely. Not getting a look-in in the Swiss 2nd division.

Out injured

Brock Turnpike

johnnyryan89 wrote: »

Out injured

Ah right. He's in with a chance so!

What time is the squad announced? Next hour or two?

PhilipsR

At least the Slovakia game is first but it’s a bit mental squeezing 3 internationals into 6 days next week?

Christy Browne

Goalkeepers
Darren Randolph (West Ham United), Caoimhin Kelleher (Liverpool), Mark Travers (Bournemouth).

Defenders
Seamus Coleman (Everton), Matt Doherty (Tottenham Hotspur), Enda Stevens (Sheffield United), Darragh Lenihan (Blackburn Rovers), Shane Duffy (Celtic, on loan from Brighton & Hove Albion), John Egan (Sheffield United), Derrick Williams (Blackburn Rovers).

Midfielders
Conor Hourihane (Aston Villa), James McCarthy (Crystal Palace), Harry Arter (Nottingham Forest), Jeff Hendrick (Newcastle United), Alan Browne (Preston North End, Jayson Molumby (Brighton & Hove Albion), Jack Byrne (Shamrock Rovers), Robbie Brady (Burnley).

Forwards
Callum Robinson (West Bromwich Albion), Callum O’Dowda (Bristol City), James McClean (Stoke City), Aaron Connolly (Brighton & Hove Albion), David McGoldrick (Sheffield United), Adam Idah (Norwich City), Shane Long (Southampton).

dr.kenneth noisewater

We're screwed if Duffy/Egan get injured. Assume McClean is also back LB. Good to see Byrne back in the squad

scouserstation

dr.kenneth noisewater wrote: »

We're screwed if Duffy/Egan get injured. Assume McClean is also back LB. Good to see Byrne back in the squad

Thought Kevin Long or Dunne might have got the shout this time as we could do with more cover in this area, other than that it's a decent squad

deisedude

I suppose its not really the time to be making much changes to the squad given the do or die nature of the Slovakia game so can see why O'Shea or Dunne didn't make it but surprised Kevin Long isn't included

Christy Browne

Randolph, Coleman, Duffy, Egan, Stevens, McCarthy, Byrne, Hourihane, Robinson, McGoldrick, Connolly would be my Starting XI from that squad. Doubt he’ll throw Byrne into such an important game though.

D.Q

Great to see byrne involved. His form deserves it.

johnnyryan89

dr.kenneth noisewater wrote: »

We're screwed if Duffy/Egan get injured. Assume McClean is also back LB. Good to see Byrne back in the squad

Derrick Williams covers LB and CB.

Tchaikovsky

Hamsik back for Slovakia, unfortunately. Dubravka out, although his probable replacement Greif is a good keeper - played a blinder against Dundalk in the Europa League last season, including saving a penalty.

johnnyryan89

Tchaikovsky wrote: »

Hamsik back for Slovakia, unfortunately. Dubravka out, although his probable replacement Greif is a good keeper - played a blinder against Dundalk in the Europa League last season, including saving a penalty.

Hopefully Grief starts as he didn't look one bit convincing in the game against Czech Republic last month. Rodak played the second Nations League game and was dropped by Fulham after conceding three in their opening game in the league. If last month's Nations League games are anything to go by I'd say Rodak will start for Slovakia. They've a third experienced keeper that may play, but he hasn't been capped in seven years and only received his first call up in those seven years last month.

Mr.Nice Guy

https://twitter.com/GFFN/status/1311337045927899138

He was reported to be Man United's fastest player in training and turned down a three-year contract offer earlier this month. Apparently he is eligible for Nigeria and England but has represented us at u-16 level. He was born in Waterford and grew up in Mullingar. Best of luck to him.

johnnyryan89

Dunne drops to the bench while Tarkowski starts in tonight's league cup game for Burnley alongside Kevin Long.

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

https://twitter.com/GFFN/status/1311337045927899138

He was reported to be Man United's fastest player in training and turned down a three-year contract offer earlier this month. Apparently he is eligible for Nigeria and England but has represented us at u-16 level. He was born in Waterford and grew up in Mullingar. Best of luck to him.

That's two young Irish players now that have turned down contracts with United to go somewhere. Mipo Odubeko was tearing **** up with their U18s, turned down a new contract and signed with West Ham, now Sotona turns them down to sign with Nice. Hopefully this leads to more youngsters avoiding big named clubs as teenagers and moving somewhere you're more than likely to break into the senior team.

johnnyryan89

https://twitter.com/WestHam/status/1311244397527339008

Mr.Nice Guy

Molumby starts for Brighton this evening against Man United. Game is live on Sky Sports Football from 7:45pm. Should be a good test for him.

Randolph should be busy as he starts for West Ham at Everton. Rodriguez, Calvert-Lewin and Richarlison in attack.