Republic of Ireland Team Talk/News/Rumours 2020/2021 - see Mod Note in OP [18/11/20]

TheCitizen

Brock Turnpike wrote: »

People have been calling for it since long before Kenny took over. You're really trying to say you've mentioned it since Kenny took over.

Mick McCarthy did play a 3-5-2 away to Switzerland. Kenny has been in charge for a few games now and he said in his own words he was experimenting with some of them. Anyway he didn’t try 3-5-2 so the opportunity has passed.

The honeymoon is over for Stephen Kenny now. His team needs to start scoring goals and getting results.

Faugheen

The White Feather wrote: »

Just saw this tweet from Aaron Connolly.

He says its one of the worst articles ever about him. An article talking about his injuries

https://twitter.com/AaronConnolly_9/status/1327612233275338753?s=20

Connolly needs to watch his mouth a bit. I haven’t read the article but that tweet and the couple last month during that debacle, while refreshing, wears thin after a while and just looks petulant.

weldoninhio

The White Feather wrote: »

Just saw this tweet from Aaron Connolly.

He says its one of the worst articles ever about him. An article talking about his injuries

https://twitter.com/AaronConnolly_9/status/1327612233275338753?s=20

It’s in no way a bad article. It just lists his injuries and hopes his luck with injuries change. Don’t see what his issue is.

Captain Havoc

I don't think time is up for Kenny, I'd like him to see through the world Cup campaign. He's had really poor luck with injuries.

johnnyryan89

Faugheen wrote: »

Connolly needs to watch his mouth a bit. I haven’t read the article but that tweet and the couple last month during that debacle, while refreshing, wears thin after a while and just looks petulant.

Should read the article then. I've read better stuff written by Balls.ie.

Mr.Nice Guy

Talon Calm Bobsled wrote: »

Anyone who thinks time is up needs their head examined. FAI can't afford to sack him so he'll get a fair crack at it, which is warranted imo. Hopefully our finishing improves in these 2 games after we left a few wins behind us last month

What constitutes a fair crack at it? Staunton got 17 games. His final record read 6 wins, 6 draws, 5 losses. A 35% win ratio.

Kenny has so far had 6 games. His record reads 0 wins, 2 draws, 4 losses. 0% win ratio.

He is already over a third of the way through Staunton's number and by next week he'll be almost at the halfway stage of it. The clock is ticking. Doherty's post-match comments were very interesting:

"I feel embarrassed at times when we come off the pitch because we're losing games and not scoring goals. It's not nice", while also adding that "it felt like we gave up a little bit tonight once the second goal went in".

Bad enough our players are worried about the lack of goals but if we lose the fighting spirit we've had under all the previous coaches, then not only will we not move forwards under this coaching regime, we'll end up going backwards.

simongurnick

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

What constitutes a fair crack at it? Staunton got 17 games. His final record read 6 wins, 6 draws, 5 losses. A 35% win ratio.

Kenny has so far had 6 games. His record reads 0 wins, 2 draws, 4 losses. 0% win ratio.

He is already over a third of the way through Staunton's number and by next week he'll be almost at the halfway stage of it. The clock is ticking. Doherty's post-match comments were very interesting:



Bad enough our players are worried about the lack of goals but if we lose the fighting spirit we've had under all the previous coaches, then not only will we not move forwards under this coaching regime, we'll end up going backwards.

Especially against england. Albeit a friendly, it's still the bloody saxons

Agent Coulson

Kenny will get the World Cup qualifiers which finish this weekend next year.

He will have had 8 games 7 of which were competitive in the bag as preparation for those 10 qualifiers next year so he can have no excuses.

TheCitizen

Talon Calm Bobsled wrote: »

Anyone who thinks time is up needs their head examined. FAI can't afford to sack him so he'll get a fair crack at it, which is warranted imo. Hopefully our finishing improves in these 2 games after we left a few wins behind us last month

If you think a manager can continue in charge while his team picks up no points and scores no goals then I think it’s you that needs your head examined. He is getting a fair crack at it. We need an indication over the next couple of games that this management set up is capable of delivering anything in terms of results and goals.

wadacrack

Lose today and rightly or wrongly Kenny will be under pressure going into that Bulgaria game. We may have players playing at Premier League level but lets be honest none are generally high performers at their clubs. Kenny is playing a system now that exposes our players ability tbh. I think in general he is doing fine . Team selection and tactically we are set up well. Which is why we are much better in possession . Performances bar the England game have i general been much better but disappointing results. The England game exposed the lack of ability in our squad. We are well behind the likes of Denmark, Sweden and even Hungary. I would say we ae on par with Iceland and their golden generation is beginning to decline. This country needs to look at developing football outside of Dublin too. The grassroots game is really struggling which is a concern. This will be the foundation for developing for talented players throughout the country.

Players in this country also need to look beyond England. The level their is very high and they may develop better in Scandinavian league and even Holland and Belgium and then move to England. Championship clubs are recruiting high performing players from Poland and similar level leagues . That's how high the level is now. Will be interesting to see where Jack Byrne moves to. The excuse of style of football in England is a poor argument now. Most clubs now play a modern style of football

edgecutter

TheCitizen wrote: »

If you think a manager can continue in charge while his team picks up no points and scores no goals then I think it’s you that needs your head examined. He is getting a fair crack at it. We need an indication over the next couple of games that this management set up is capable of delivering anything in terms of results and goals.

I would hardly call it a fair crack considering the massive issues of injuries and covid every time he tries to name a team. And anyone who thinks are problems will disappear by getting a new manager didn't watch McCarthy's reign very closely either. We simply do not have a prolific goal scorer in our side. Our midfield consists of guys who work hard for their clubs, but aren't creative players. The days of Damian Duff, Finnan, Keane and even Kilbane are long gone. Kenny should get the World Cup campaign and even if he fails, I am sure he will leave our style of football in a better place than what we have seen over the last number of years.

TheCitizen

edgecutter wrote: »

I would hardly call it a fair crack considering the massive issues of injuries and covid every time he tries to name a team. And anyone who thinks are problems will disappear by getting a new manager didn't watch McCarthy's reign very closely either. We simply do not have a prolific goal scorer in our side. Our midfield consists of guys who work hard for their clubs, but aren't creative players. The days of Damian Duff, Finnan, Keane and even Kilbane are long gone. Kenny should get the World Cup campaign and even if he fails, I am sure he will leave our style of football in a better place than what we have seen over the last number of years.

Yes but we still should be able to compete with Wakes and beat Bulgaria. He needs goals and results in games v teams of that standing

TheCitizen

Talon Calm Bobsled wrote: »

Is it Kenny + coaching staff at fault for players not being able to finish? We were woeful v Eng but in the 3 games previous we were very unlucky. There was a huge improvement between the game in Dub v Finland and the 2nd leg and yes I know result was the same. Patience is needed but he'll undoubtedly be under pressure if we dont get a win from these 2.

He's also has the most games in the shortest span of time of most recent managers has he? Personally think with covid+injuries coupled with hectic schedule hes really been thrown in at the deep end.

He has two games in the next few days. He needs goals and results in those games against similarly ranked opponents. It’s a results business he has to start showing that he can results from these players

Kerrydude1981

Will we see a goal today lads?

What's the longest run we have gone without scoring?

johnnyryan89

https://twitter.com/FAIreland/status/1327937035525615616

Gonna be a tough game for the lads today.

LowOdour

johnnyryan89 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/FAIreland/status/1327937035525615616

Gonna be a tough game for the lads today.

Anywhere showings/streaming it?

kksaints

LowOdour wrote: »

Anywhere showings/streaming it?

It's on one of the eirsport channels.

johnnyryan89

LowOdour wrote: »

Anywhere showings/streaming it?

Eirsports is the only legal option I think, unless there's an Icelandic channel streaming it somewhere

Backstreet Moyes

Surprised ireland are such heavy favourites considering all the players missing

johnnyryan89

Nuts102 wrote: »

Surprised ireland are such heavy favourites considering all the players missing

Iceland are no slouches either. Think they go through as one of the best runners up if they win today as their game against Armenia is cancelled and they'll probably get the 3-0 win there.

Brock Turnpike

kksaints wrote: »

It's on one of the eirsport channels.

Which one?

gormdubhgorm

Kerrydude1981 wrote: »

Will we see a goal today lads?

What's the longest run we have gone without scoring?

"The Republic are without a goal in their past five matches in all competitions, their longest run without scoring since another run of five between November 1995 and May 1996."

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/54819958

I expect Ireland to extend the record for a while yet. Maybe a friendlies against San Marino, Andorra, and Liechtenstein would be an idea?

johnnyryan89

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

"The Republic are without a goal in their past five matches in all competitions, their longest run without scoring since another run of five between November 1995 and May 1996."

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/54819958

I expect Ireland to extend the record for a while yet. Maybe a friendlies against San Marino, Andorra, and Liechtenstein would be an idea?

What's the point, the same people talking about the lack of results will be the same people saying "sure it's only *insert teams name here*, and it's only a friendly".

johnnyryan89

One nil down. Done on the counter attack and a superb finish from Eidur Gudjohnsens son.

The_Kew_Tour

Maybe our young lads just ain't as good as first thought

Christy Browne

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Maybe our young lads just ain't as good as first thought

They're missing Bazunu, Kelleher, O'Shea, Knight, Molumby, Idah, Connolly. Give them a break.

johnnyryan89

Weather ain't great and the final ball letting our lads down. Obafemi had a good chance but a poor second touch let him down. Iceland caught us on the counter and poor keeping from McGinty, who was lucky to not give away a penalty in the first couple of minutes. Need to get Parrott on as Iceland are just going to keep men behind the ball.

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Maybe our young lads just ain't as good as first thought

Or the better players have been called up to the seniors.

gormdubhgorm

johnnyryan89 wrote: »

What's the point, the same people talking about the lack of results will be the same people saying "sure it's only *insert teams name here*, and it's only a friendly".

Don't mind them football teams are not run by whinging observers. Will give players confidence and rebuild team spirit.

johnnyryan89

Parrott coming on for the second half with Anthony Scully making way.

Acosta

The co-commentator is woeful whoever he is

johnnyryan89

Acosta wrote: »

The co-commentator is woeful whoever he is

Johnny McDonnell

The_Kew_Tour

We should still be able beat Iceland with few top players missing.

Very worrying

scouserstation

Looks like the u21s are suffering from the same problems as the senior team ie creating chances but not putting them away, need to make a few substitutions Grant and Leahy would make a good impact on this game for the final 30 minutes

johnnyryan89

scouserstation wrote: »

Looks like the u21s are suffering from the same problems as the senior team ie creating chances but not putting them away, need to make a few substitutions Grant and Leahy would make a good impact on this game for the final 30 minutes

Would be pushing Parrott into the centre and bring those two on to attack down the left.

johnnyryan89

1-1 now. Think it might go down as an own goal.

johnnyryan89

https://twitter.com/eirSport/status/1327976531046625280

johnnyryan89

Nathan Collins sent off in the 88th min

johnnyryan89

2-1 Iceland in the 93rd min

weldoninhio

Parrott gives it away. Stands looking at it and Iceland score.

wadacrack

Thats not regarded as a particularly strong Iceland u21 team and we have lost twice to them. Players have been called up but that has been the case with other teams in the group too. We seem to have vastly overrated some of our players. Not many are doing well at club level atm bar Jason Knight

shanec1928

johnnyryan89 wrote: »

Nathan Collins sent off in the 88th min

A stupid red card to pick up. Ireland had been going well until then.

The_Kew_Tour

We lost to a country a tenth of our size and they had three 18 year olds playing for them.

But ya we were missing a few :pac:

wadacrack

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

We lost to a country a tenth of our size and they had three 18 year olds playing for them.

But ya we were missing a few :pac:

3 of Iceland's back 4 play in the Icelandic league that finished weeks ago. That league would be weaker than LOI

johnnyryan89

wadacrack wrote: »

Thats not regarded as a particularly strong Iceland u21 team and we have lost twice to them. Players have been called up but that has been the case with other teams in the group too. We seem to have vastly overrated some of our players. Not many are doing well at club level atm bar Jason Knight

They've beaten Sweden twice, 5-0 in Sweden, so I'd say this Iceland team are stronger than some think.

Edit: read the results wrong, my bad.

Faugheen

johnnyryan89 wrote: »

They've beaten Sweden twice, 5-0 in Sweden, so I'd say this Iceland team are stronger than some think.

No no, everyone is an expert on the Icelandic u-21s.

weldoninhio

Faugheen wrote: »

No no, everyone is an expert on the Icelandic u-21s.

Did we not beat Sweden 4-0 under Kenny? I think it’s safe to say their U21s aren’t any great shakes.

Acosta

weldoninhio wrote: »

Did we not beat Sweden 4-0 under Kenny? I think it’s safe to say their U21s aren’t any great shakes.

They looked a hell of a lot better under Kenny

Faugheen

weldoninhio wrote: »

Did we not beat Sweden 4-0 under Kenny? I think it’s safe to say their U21s aren’t any great shakes.

I know it’s incredible that the u21s havent had the same fortunes since Kenny left.

weldoninhio

Acosta wrote: »

They looked a hell of a lot better under Kenny

Sweden’s U21s looked better under Kenny? What?

wadacrack

Faugheen wrote: »

No no, everyone is an expert on the Icelandic u-21s.

Their own media would acknowledge that. They lost 5-0 to Sweden