Republic of Ireland Team Talk/News/Rumours 2020/2021 - see Mod Note in OP [18/11/20]

wadacrack

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Not if it is only side to side and backwards for the sake of it.
Lack of forward penetrative passes.

We are the better team atm.

Arthur Daley

Referring to Randolf kick/throw outs that are not successful and result in needless pressure in the box within a few seconds.

weldoninhio

tayto lover wrote: »

That’s bull****.
Your bias shows you up.

We’ve done it in every game since he took over. Pointless, toothless possession across the back line, whilst the opposition regroup in their defensive shape. Kennyball.

tastyt

~Rebel~ wrote: »

Some really stupid choices and poor touches alright. Once we actually get out of the back line and into midfield we look good going forward from there.

Molumby and Hendrick are work horses , can’t play out from the back with midfield players that can’t really pass

tayto lover

Arthur Daley wrote: »

Referring to Randolf kick/throw outs that are not successful and result in needless pressure in the box within a few seconds.

Randolph’s kicking has been poor to average.
Should be to feet.

gormdubhgorm

From BBC Radio Wales -

Nathan Blake:

"Ireland always look for pass over the top for Idah. No creative passing.
No tempo.

Comment on Kenny:
What experience does he have? Do the players respect him?
Or view him as beneath them?"
Something going on with player and management? (Reading into FAI comments on a long term plan)


https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/live:bbc_radio_wales_fm

tayto lover

weldoninhio wrote: »

We’ve done it in every game since he took over. Pointless, toothless possession across the back line, whilst the opposition regroup in their defensive shape. Kennyball.

So you prefer the way that has failed so often under Trap and Mick?
Pointless punting the ball up in the sky all the time.
I’d rather see this way given a chance. It might not work now but in time the lads will get used to it and it will eventually pay dividends.

The White Feather

Acres of space and McClean ran it into the defender. That was a great chance

gormdubhgorm

weldoninhio wrote: »

That’s Kenny ball.

I doubt it is how he planned it, but such play is real easy to defend.

gormdubhgorm

~Rebel~ wrote: »

Are you watching or just listening? Have made plenty of good forward moves - literally again right this second...

Both, have Welsh channel on mute and BBC Radio Wales on in English.

The White Feather

Brady keeps getting points but we need goals!!! :pac:

Rhys Essien

Robbie Brady the glory hunting waster.

weldoninhio

tayto lover wrote: »

So you prefer the way that has failed so often under Trap and Mick?
Pointless punting the ball up in the sky all the time.
I’d rather see this way given a chance. It might not work now but in time the lads will get used to it and it will eventually pay dividends.

You don’t have to be Pep Guardiola to see that Ireland doesn’t have the players to play this way. In international football you play to your strengths. A 0% win rate after 5 games vs opponents of the same level as us is proof of that. Continue with this nonsense and the next manager coming in will have a team in pot 4 and even less chance of qualifying for anything.

gormdubhgorm

wadacrack wrote: »

We are the better team atm.

Interesting, BBC Wales just said the exact opposite!

Plus:
Ireland unambitious and blunt they say.
Ireland look forlorn they say.

RonanG86

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Interesting, BBC Wales just said the exact opposite!

Plus:
Ireland unambitious and blunt they say.
Ireland look forlorn they say.

They're probably too busy fawning over Bale's 35 yard freekick that wasn't on target to have watched the rest of the half.

"Blunt" is probably not unfair on us tbf, but unambitious is.

gormdubhgorm

tayto lover wrote: »

So you prefer the way that has failed so often under Trap and Mick?
Pointless punting the ball up in the sky all the time.
I’d rather see this way given a chance. It might not work now but in time the lads will get used to it and it will eventually pay dividends.

I don't think the players are good enough to play keep ball.
It shows time and again safe sidewards or backwards passes mostly.

Direct football does not mean hoofing it for the sake of it.
When that was done it was because the players were panicking and lacked confidence to play at all.

Same mindset now different style. Lack confidence/ability to try a through ball

But at least before Ireland was hard to beat and showed a bit of fight.
Now it feels any half decent team has a food chance of beating Ireland.

gormdubhgorm

RonanG86 wrote: »

They're probably too busy fawning over Bale's 35 yard freekick that wasn't on target to have watched the rest of the half.

"Blunt" is probably not unfair on us tbf, but unambitious is.

Haha they did do a bit of Bale fawning getting back to his best etc.

~Rebel~

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

I don't think the players are good enough to play keep ball.
It shows time and again safe sidewards or backwards passes mostly.

Direct football does not mean hoofing it for the sake of it.
When that was done it was because the players were panicking and lacked confidence to play at all.

Same mindset now different style. Lack confidence/ability to try a through ball

But at least before Ireland was hard to beat and showed a bit of fight.
Now it feels any half decent team has a food chance of beating Ireland.

Even if they mess it up at times, we’ve literally watched them work the ball into the final third more often than we did under McCarthy. The problem is once we get there the players haven’t been finishing the moves.

And the attempts at keep-ball have stopped Wales getting any sort of a foothold in the game. Under the old style we’d have been actively giving it back to them every 10 seconds.

Mushy

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

From BBC Radio Wales -

Nathan Blake:

"Ireland always look for pass over the top for Idah. No creative passing.
No tempo.

Comment on Kenny:
What experience does he have? Do the players respect him?
Or view him as beneath them?"
Something going on with player and management? (Reading into FAI comments on a long term plan)


https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/live:bbc_radio_wales_fm

Imagine questioning whether players respect a manager when their own manager is Ryan Giggs?

The White Feather

Taking off Horgan is baffling

tayto lover

weldoninhio wrote: »

You don’t have to be Pep Guardiola to see that Ireland doesn’t have the players to play this way. In international football you play to your strengths. A 0% win rate after 5 games vs opponents of the same level as us is proof of that. Continue with this nonsense and the next manager coming in will have a team in pot 4 and even less chance of qualifying for anything.

This is not about the now.
Steven Kenny has said several times it’s about the future.
We have lots of young players who will be coming through and they will be playing this way, ball on ground.
Maybe they will actually win something, who knows?

What we do knows that the hoofball has not worked under the last few managers and is never pleasing on the eye.

I’m prepared to wait and give the manager time.

tayto lover

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

I don't think the players are good enough to play keep ball.
It shows time and again safe sidewards or backwards passes mostly.

Direct football does not mean hoofing it for the sake of it.
When that was done it was because the players were panicking and lacked confidence to play at all.

Same mindset now different style. Lack confidence/ability to try a through ball

But at least before Ireland was hard to beat and showed a bit of fight.
Now it feels any half decent team has a food chance of beating Ireland.

It’s not “ a now “ project.
I actually think that the lads are steadily improving.

yourdeadwright

Stubborness to go two up top will cost tge mabger his job, what is it about 6 games of 4 3 3 without ever creating a single chance

~Rebel~

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Stubborness to go two up top will cost tge mabger his job, what is it about 6 games of 4 3 3 without ever creating a single chance

Loooads of chances, just no finishes.

I agree about going 2 up though.


Aaaand, there’s the inevitable.

The White Feather

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Stubborness to go two up top will cost tge mabger his job, what is it about 6 games of 4 3 3 without ever creating a single chance

Just about to say this. We need 2 up.

Then as I type we go a goal down

tayto lover

Poor defending. Keeper should have come too.

Same old story every game bar the England one.

These games are so grim now. Can't even score a goal against teams at our level.

tastyt

Load of bollocks

The White Feather

What happens is we play it up to Idah who maages to hang on to it but goes deep to play it back to a winger or midfielder. They go forward and get into a great position but now no one up front. Idah is trying to get back up while the winger or midfielder checks and plays it back.

Then the cycle begins again. It asking too much of Idah to do everything even though he works very hard at it.

We have to have 2 up front.

We have lost all our little bit of attacking flair when he took off horgan.

gormdubhgorm

Look how Wales show how to play effective direct football. Got a goal from it.
When direct football is done well and not hoofing for the sake of it hard to stop.

Wales mix thier style not slavishly sticking to one.

Acosta

Hourihan. Why like?

johnnyryan89

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Look how Wales show how to play effective direct football. Got a goal from it.
When direct football is done well and not hoofing for the sake of it hard to stop.

Wales mix thier style no slavishly sticking to one.

Unless we can extract Jonathan Walters DNA and create a clone there's no point even talking about direct football because we have no one to play effective direct football, just hoof ball.

The White Feather

Great save from Randolph there

tayto lover

What was Hendrick doing there?

tayto lover

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Look how Wales show how to play effective direct football. Got a goal from it.
When direct football is done well and not hoofing for the sake of it hard to stop.

Wales mix thier style not slavishly sticking to one.

If I mix my drinks there’s chaos.

gormdubhgorm

~Rebel~ wrote: »

And the attempts at keep-ball have stopped Wales getting any sort of a foothold in the game. Under the old style we’d have been actively giving it back to them every 10 seconds.

True on the last part BBC Wales were worried (before the goal) about not being able to get into the tempo because of Ireland slowing it down.

Now Nathan Blake is scathing about the chances created for Idah just before he was taken off. He called it 'the graveyard shift'. Only putting the ball up to Idah when he has three around him. He wondered why Ireland did not play triangle passes in midfield, and try and slide Idah in instead.

Also, commented on how Ireland have more EPL and Championship players than Wales. Described it as a strange situation.

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Ireland analysts never talk like this, interesting to hear. No punches pulled.

tayto lover

The Saviour is on.

tayto lover

How is that a free kick to Wales?

Quazzie

Clash of heads. And the free is given to the player(s) who were running towards the ball rather than the player effectively standing still.

Edit: and a bizarre yellow card for Duffy for it. Odd.

tayto lover

Quazzie wrote: »

Clash of heads. And the free is given to the player(s) who were running towards the ball rather than the player effectively standing still.

And a yellow.????

gormdubhgorm

johnnyryan89 wrote: »

Unless we can extract Jonathan Walters DNA and create a clone there's no point even talking about direct football because we have no one to play effective direct football, just hoof ball.

You say hoof ball as if it automatically equates to direct football.
Hoofball is just direct football played badly simple as.

Idah is no midget if he had decent support he could cause havoc.
Brooks scored for Wales and he is no giant - goal following a direct passage of play. Ball in, Header Bale, header Brooks - simple.

All this 'hoofball' talk you have betrays your hopeful belief that passing the ball more, is the only panacea to Ireland's ills.

There is no grey with you no nuance - all black or white.

Passing ball on ground = good

Direct football = hoofball

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Wrong way of looking at it the passes have to be meaningful - direct or short.
Jack Charlton played balls into the corners there was a strategy and a plan. It was not pure hoofball.

The White Feather

The White Feather wrote: »

Taking off Horgan is baffling

Horgan taken off in the 59th min and we concede in the 66. Horgan was pushing them back with his dribbling. Without him we let them push up and then they came more into the game. Maybe he was injured but that changed the game.

ebbsy

We are certainly not a league B team, C is our level.

It will give us a better chance of qualifying.


Next campaign is a write off, that will help Kenny.

gormdubhgorm

ebbsy wrote: »

We are certainly not a league B team, C is our level.

It will give us a better chance of qualifying.


Next campaign is a write off, that will help Kenny.

Will give him a chance to build confidence and least.
Not an ounce of it left at this stage.

yourdeadwright

Kenny an absolute joke
1-0 down in the 90th minute andnhe was still playing one striker
The dogs on the stree know we need two up top,
How many games is it now that we have all seen 4 3 3 ddoes not work for us

Kenny would rather get the sack than be proved wrong about 4 3 3

Mantis Toboggan

Will we ever score again

gormdubhgorm

Mantis Toboggan wrote: »

Will we ever score again

And Coppers is closed...

Azatadine

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Kenny an absolute joke/quote]

Yeah, but I suppose they never should have appointed him. He's clearly out of his depth and not helped by the calibre of player but he was a bad appointment for the senior side.

The White Feather

I was a big Kenny fan but its not working out at all. If we lose against Bulgaria then he should be let go.

We know we can't score, he knows it but he can't seem to fix it. We keep doing the same thing over and over.

We struggle to score so we need to have two up front. 1 clearly isn't working.

The White Feather

The good news for any Hendrick haters as he will be suspended! :pac: