Republic of Ireland Team Talk/News/Rumours 2020/2021 - see Mod Note in OP [18/11/20]

Neeson

I think Kenny is finding it tough in front of the camera at the moment. He is very shy. It will take a while for him to settle in. If the players give him time he will come out of his shell and they will see what sort of man he truly is.

The White Feather

Here is a former editor of the sun tweeting

https://twitter.com/kelvmackenzie/status/1329534055046647809?s=20

giveitholly

Why is this only coming out now,if someone didn't like this video why didn't they reveal it last week when it was shown,I smell a rat

noodler

The White Feather wrote: »

Here is a former editor of the sun tweeting

https://twitter.com/kelvmackenzie/status/1329534055046647809?s=20

Jesus, the content of the video doesn't sound like what he thought it was.

irishguitarlad

It's a ruse by the fai to get Kenny sacked, they want to cut their losses.

Captain Havoc

My first impression was, don't they get newbies to sing a rebel song? This is complete and utter b****x. This could actually swing for Stephen Kenny.

super_furry

noodler wrote: »

Jesus, the content of the video doesn't sound like what he thought it was.

Since when has that scummy worm let truth get in the way of trying to outrage idiots?

LuckyLloyd

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Convenient reason to get rid by all concerned except Kenny tbh.

The White Feather wrote: »

Here is a former editor of the sun tweeting

https://twitter.com/kelvmackenzie/status/1329534055046647809?s=20

Is that a Liverpool fan and the editor of the Sun in 1989 agreeing it's a sackable offence?

super_furry

Prime Time implied it was an FAI staff member who leaked the story, if so you'd wonder on the motivation. There's still a lot of the old Delaney guard in there and they may see this as a way to move against Kenny who still has the public support.

applehunter

Irish media are the scum of the earth.

CiarraiAbu2

I think it was a staff member and not a player who brought it to the FAI's attention.

crossman47

All I can say is "Much Ado about nothing"

super_furry

applehunter wrote: »

Irish media are the scum of the earth.

It's the Daily Mail.... You know, the British paper that supported Hitler.

RonanG86

super_furry wrote: »

Prime Time implied it was an FAI staff member who leaked the story, if so you'd wonder on the motivation. There's still a lot of the old Delaney guard in there and they may see this as a way to move against Kenny who still has the public support.

Some little git with a Napoleon complex, probably.

siblers

Weepsie wrote: »

Also, personally, I have zero interest in a Qatar world cup. 2024 and 2026 are of far more interest to me, and what should be looked at, and even then as a starting point.

Need to take the German/Belgian approach and aim for something long term rather than getting hung up on getting into the next tourament so we can all have a jolly

Would still like to qualify for Qatar, tis been a while

crossman47

RonanG86 wrote: »

Some little git with a Napoleon complex, probably.

Or possibly someone with a long standing gripe with Kenny for other reasons altogether

Agent Coulson

There will be a lot of grabbing for power within the FAI at the moment it will end up like a Barca power struggle where the manager pays the price for the suits fighting for the top spot.

thegreengoblin

If, as it seems, some of the players were left uncomfortable watching this, the FAI CEO may feel that Kenny's judgment is badly lacking which is the reason why they're investigating this. Sweeping it under the table solves nothing. You can't have an unhappy camp.

Beechwoodspark

The very fact it’s been reported widely suggests to me that someone in the FAI are looking to get a few digs in and damage Kenny.

Raoul

thegreengoblin wrote: »

If, as it seems, some of the players were left uncomfortable watching this, the FAI CEO may feel that Kenny's judgment is badly lacking which is the reason why they're investigating this. Sweeping it under the table solves nothing. You can't have an unhappy camp.

Prime time specifically said the player that was spoken to didn't find it offensive.

lawred2

Is it known yet what they were watching?

Ferris_Bueller

lawred2 wrote: »

Is it known yet what they were watching?

Seems to have been a 3 minute video clip, 2 and a half mins of which were highlights of Ireland matches and important goals with the other part made up of historical Irish clips which presumably was the 'political' part. Obviously just going off scraps of what we're seeing online.

Surely his job will not be at risk over something like this, but if he was to get the boot over this I think I would stop following the national team.

ceegee

lawred2 wrote: »

Is it known yet what they were watching?

Apparently a 3 minute video including clips about the rising, declaration, houghtons goal and David Kellys goal in 95.

Are we sure they didn't accidentally play one of McClean's insta stories? 😆

lawred2

3 minute video clip mostly of goals? Ah Jesus.. this has already been well blown out of proportion then.

lawred2

ceegee wrote: »

Apparently a 3 minute video including clips about the rising, declaration, houghtons goal and David Kellys goal in 95.

Are we sure they didn't accidentally play one of McClean's insta stories? 😆

Was going to ask whether Kenny made it himself... It's a bizarre construction

crustyjuggler

lawred2 wrote: »

3 minute video clip mostly of goals? Ah Jesus.. this has already been well blown out of proportion then.

I think this video was shown on Rte before the match . From the description I think I've seen it .

crustyjuggler

crustyjuggler wrote: »

I think this video was shown on Rte before the match . From the description I think I've seen it .

Was it this?

https://www.facebook.com/MagicTVmoments/videos/394746024411191/

Downlinz

Ferris_Bueller wrote: »

Seems to have been a 3 minute video clip, 2 and a half mins of which were highlights of Ireland matches and important goals with the other part made up of historical Irish clips which presumably was the 'political' part. Obviously just going off scraps of what we're seeing online.

Surely his job will not be at risk over something like this, but if he was to get the boot over this I think I would stop following the national team.

Absolutely. If Irish history is considered taboo for an Irish team to be informed of then they certainly aren't representing me or this country.

pjohnson

I'd say we can all agree James McClean defo wasnt the one that took offence to any political video :pac:

Kermit.de.frog

Captain Havoc wrote: »

Congratulations to Shane Duffy on getting the FAI senior only international goal of the year award.

Fixed

~Rebel~

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Fixed

MrMusician18

Downlinz wrote: »

Absolutely. If Irish history is considered taboo for an Irish team to be informed of then they certainly aren't representing me or this country.

They aren't representing you

SomethingElse

lawred2 wrote: »

Was going to ask whether Kenny made it himself... It's a bizarre construction

If Kenny had made it it's unlikely it would have contained any goals.

Tom Mann Centuria

Uncomfortable truths rather than intentionally anti English would be my guess.

daheff

sugarman wrote: »

Not specifically but...

"RTÉ Sport understands that two-and-a-half minutes of the video was famous goals scored against England, from Ray Houghton, Kevin Sheedy, Niall Quinn, Tony Cascarino and Shane Long, followed by 30 seconds of "historical context" of the relationship between Ireland and England."

Question is how regular would players be shown something like this in build up to a match?

If it happens regularly then this is blown up ...if not then why was this done for the England match.


All said, I guess this is going to be used as an excuse to get rid of Kenny. Results have been poor since he started and this gives FAI an excuse to fire him.

johnnyryan89

sugarman wrote: »

Given Kenny appointed his own staff, it has to be one of the blazers.

Alan Kelly was kept on by Kenny. Mick's old teammate, played under Mick with Ireland and was he apart of Mick's backroom staff twice with Ireland or was 2018 his first time working with Mick as Ireland manager. Maybe his health worries was just a cover story because if you're that worried about your health why you meeting up with the squad in the first place like.

Azatadine

johnnyryan89 wrote: »

Alan Kelly was kept on by Kenny. Mick's old teammate, played under Mick with Ireland and was he apart of Mick's backroom staff twice with Ireland or was 2018 his first time working with Mick as Ireland manager. Maybe his health worries was just a cover story because if you're that worried about your health why you meeting up with the squad in the first place like.

That was bandied about but seemingly not true (in that Kelly was not responsible).

Muahahaha

RTE reported that the video was played in the dressing room at Wembley and not the team hotel. Also said a player said the video was nothing, just goals and 30 seconds of historical context. Sounds like the FAI are blowing this out of all proportion but also theres a leak in the dressing room undermining Kenny.

Muahahaha

Muahahaha wrote: »

RTE reported that the video was played in the dressing room at Wembley and not the team hotel. Also said a player said the video was nothing, just goals and 30 seconds of historical context. Sounds like the FAI are blowing this out of all proportion but also theres a leak in the dressing room undermining Kenny.

So as well as having the weakest selection options in memory, even before the 10 to 20 withdrawals, some on the day of matches, playing in empty stadiums, trying to reverse years of hoofball with a national organisation in disarray, he has this too.

Really has been a baptism of fire.

the kelt

A couple of things.

No one actually knows what the video was.

Secondly what the actual f was the thinking behind it, this is amateur hour stuff, I’m going to put up a video to motivate these players, seriously! This is international football, honestly did our manager actually think this was a really good idea. I just have this vision of the players looking at each other while this video is playing saying to themselves “wtf is this”

The furore about the content is actually nothing imho, the fact that the manager thought as part of my build up to a big game I’m going to show them a video to motivate them, this isn’t u16 cup final stuff!

Lastly the fact it was leaked is not a good sign, one rumour doing the rounds is that the move to show the video was so pathetic that it’s been shared as joke amongst players as in “look at what this fella is doing” amongst club WhatsApps etc and ended up in the media from there.

LuckyLloyd

the kelt wrote: »

A couple of things.

No one actually knows what the video was.

Secondly what the actual f was the thinking behind it, this is amateur hour stuff, I’m going to put up a video to motivate these players, seriously! This is international football, honestly did our manager actually think this was a really good idea. I just have this vision of the players looking at each other while this video is playing saying to themselves “wtf is this”

The furore about the content is actually nothing imho, the fact that the manager thought as part of my build up to a big game I’m going to show them a video to motivate them, this isn’t u16 cup final stuff!

Lastly the fact it was leaked is not a good sign, one rumour doing the rounds is that the move to show the video was so pathetic that it’s been shared as joke amongst players as in “look at what this fella is doing” a o gat club WhatsApps etc and ended up in the media from there.

Yeah I think all of the issue with the video is that it confirms what has been looking plainly obvious on the pitch: Kenny is out of his depth and the players aren't buying into the approach.

Time to get rid and get some other ticket together ahead of the qualifiers in March.

kksaints

the kelt wrote: »

A couple of things.

No one actually knows what the video was.

Secondly what the actual f was the thinking behind it, this is amateur hour stuff, I’m going to put up a video to motivate these players, seriously! This is international football, honestly did our manager actually think this was a really good idea. I just have this vision of the players looking at each other while this video is playing saying to themselves “wtf is this”

The furore about the content is actually nothing imho, the fact that the manager thought as part of my build up to a big game I’m going to show them a video to motivate them, this isn’t u16 cup final stuff!

Lastly the fact it was leaked is not a good sign, one rumour doing the rounds is that the move to show the video was so pathetic that it’s been shared as joke amongst players as in “look at what this fella is doing” amongst club WhatsApps etc and ended up in the media from there.

Quite a few managers have shown videos before matches to squads in an attempt to motivate players. The best example I can remember is Guardiola before the 2009 champions league final.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/pep-guardiolas-video-before-champions-13554609

Loads of examples of motivational videos here.

https://www.marca.com/en/more-sports/2017/02/10/589e1eaa22601d5e138b46db.html

If the players think that showing a motivational video before a match is a joke, then their professionalism has to be called into question as plenty of successful teams have done it.

Beechwoodspark

Yeah in top level football it’s not unknown to show “Motivational” videos to teams before matches

I’ve read accounts of it in a number of managerial books/articles.

Off the top of my head klopp, pep, Mourinho, Simone, poch have been known to do it over the years

crustyjuggler

kksaints wrote: »

Quite a few managers have shown videos before matches to squads in an attempt to motivate players. The best example I can remember is Guardiola before the 2009 champions league final.

That Israel team watched Braveheart before drawing with us at Lansdowne road .

ebbsy

Its probably just a bit embarrassing, a bit like your Ma walking on you while you were having a tug....

But then again in these modern days......


He might be gone by the end of the day.

GLaDOS

Kenny's getting stitched up.

LuckyLloyd

kksaints wrote: »

Quite a few managers have shown videos before matches to squads in an attempt to motivate players. The best example I can remember is Guardiola before the 2009 champions league final.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/pep-guardiolas-video-before-champions-13554609

You can get away with a lot when people are behind you.

LuckyLloyd

GLaDOS wrote: »

Kenny's getting stitched up.

He is. But it’s by the players in this instance. And that means he probably needs to go at the end of the day.

I mean lads, let’s get real here. The absolute *CRINGE* of showing a motivational video before going out and getting battered by an England B team playing at a walking pace. Ragball rovers.

ERG89

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Off the top of my head klopp, pep, Mourinho, Simone, poch have been known to do it over the years

Klopp showed the team he was wearing Ronaldo's brand of underwear before a Champions League final to ease the tension. This Irish setup would probably have him done for indecent exposure if he did that here.

kksaints

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

He is. But it’s by the players in this instance. And that means he probably needs to go at the end of the day.

I mean lads, let’s get real here. The absolute *CRINGE* of showing a motivational video before going out and getting battered by an England B team playing at a walking pace. Ragball rovers.

Why is it cringe? To me if the player's think its a joke (and tbf we're only going on a post here, there hasn't been anything in the press about it) and we've had quite a few comments on the players supposedly lack of passion the last while, personally I think it their professionalism that should be questioned.