Republic of Ireland Team Talk/News/Rumours 2020/2021 - see Mod Note in OP [18/11/20]

johnnyryan89

Pawwed Rig wrote: »

Williams is with Millwall? Missed that happening.

Unless you're thinking of Derrick Williams, whose with Blackburn, then Shaun Williams has been at Millwall for six years now.

The_Kew_Tour

Parrott seems be getting the thumbs up going by Millwall fans anyway.

Last night was meant be best game, but he played out wide and some fans were saying he was wasted out there.

Was big things expected of this Shane Flynn kid so hopefully he push into the 1st team in next season or two.

Pawwed Rig

johnnyryan89 wrote: »

Unless you're thinking of Derrick Williams, whose with Blackburn, then Shaun Williams has been at Millwall for six years now.

Ah that makes sense

kksaints

https://twitter.com/soconaill/status/1334927807747645442

Interestingly it doesn't look like an exemption for FAI youth currently.

brilou23

Cullen starts but ronan only on the bench in the Swiss championship is disappointing

Rhys Essien

Kelleher leading the poll as the most impressive goalkeeper in Europe this week.

He’ll have to get this framed to put over the mantelpiece.

(Get clicking to make sure he wins)

https://twitter.com/championsleague/status/1334901879113986048?s=21

expectationlost

kksaints wrote: »

https://twitter.com/soconaill/status/1334927807747645442

Interestingly it doesn't look like an exemption for FAI youth currently.

of course the FIFA council would be briefed properly but there is no one from Ireland or the UK on the council currently https://www.fifa.com/who-we-are/fifa-council/

henke

Robbie Brady scores for Burnley. A right footed strike no less.

The_Kew_Tour

That young lad at Getafe came on as a sub for his debut today. They had man sent off early and lost 3-0

henke

sugarman wrote: »

Came on in 83rd min to make his debut!

Good stuff. I know flash score has him listed as Spanish which probably makes sense if it's first nationality. I assume he has never declared for us or yet to show any intention. I suppose he's young and with fierce competition in Spain it is possible that he does. Just wondering has anyone any more idea on it but certainly worth keeping an eye on.

I see Parrott was benched today but not too worried about that. Started two matches in a week playing an hour or more. It might suit him coming on in the second half against tiring defence.

johnnyryan89

sugarman wrote: »

Jason knight scores for Derby.

https://twitter.com/Derby_Arg/status/1335262818862510082

A winner against Millwall and Derby's first win in two months, you love to see it.

Jimbob1977

World Cup qualifying groups being drawn tomorrow (Monday) at 5pm.

Let's hope the stadia can be open for (some) fans by March 2021.

Very hard to qualify for the World Cup

topmanamillion

Only just spotted McCarthy is now managing in Cyprus. And people reckon Kenny doesn't have a strong enough CV.

The post employment of our last 2 managers before Kenny reads -
Nottingham Forrest - disaster/doesn't manage again and Cyprus.

The agents of these dinosaurs must have been licking their lips when the FAI rocked up with €2 million salary packages.

topmanamillion

topmanamillion wrote: »

Only just spotted McCarthy is now managing in Cyprus. And people reckon Kenny doesn't have a strong enough CV.

The post employment of our last 2 managers before Kenny reads -
Nottingham Forrest - disaster/doesn't manager again and Cyprus.

The agents of these dinosaurs must have been licking their lips when the FAI rocked up with €2 million salary packages.

You could go back further, Trap effectively retired - he manages the Vatican team, Staunton had a couple of assistant/coaching roles, Kerr went back to St. Pats and on to the Faroes

fullstop

Doherty not in Spurs squad today and doesn’t seem to be injured. Was apparently dreadful midweek. Myth that he’s effective in a back four well and truly busted at this stage.

johnnyryan89

fullstop wrote: »

Doherty not in Spurs squad today and doesn’t seem to be injured. Was apparently dreadful midweek. Myth that he’s effective in a back four well and truly busted at this stage.

Do tell us how you've come to this conclusion? Seeing as Doherty started 6 of Spurs 8 league games before testing positive for Covid. Has started more league games and games in Europe, but the myth of him being effective in a back four has been busted because he was poor in a game after coming back from Covid.

Collie D

Jimbob1977 wrote: »

World Cup qualifying groups being drawn tomorrow (Monday) at 5pm.

Let's hope the stadia can be open for (some) fans by March 2021.

Very hard to qualify for the World Cup

Being televised on RTE News Channel. Seedings below. 5 x 6 team groups and 5 x 5 team groups - four of these containing Nations League semifinalists. Bolding is my own preference. Have never been to any of these countries and on the “easier” side of things IMO.


Pot 1: Belgium, France, England, Portugal, Spain, Italy, Croatia, Denmark, Germany, Netherlands

Pot 2: Switzerland, Wales, Poland, Sweden, Austria, Ukraine, Serbia, Turkey, Slovakia, Romania

Pot 3: Russia, Hungary, Republic of Ireland, Czech Republic, Norway, Northern Ireland, Iceland, Scotland, Greece, Finland

Pot 4: Bosnia & Herzegovina, Slovenia, Montenegro, North Macedonia, Albania, Bulgaria, Israel, Belarus, Georgia, Luxembourg

Pot 5: Armenia, Cyprus, Faroe Islands, Azerbaijan, Estonia, Kazakhstan, Kosovo, Lithuania, Latvia, Andorra

Pot 6: Malta, Moldova, Liechtenstein, Gibraltar, San Marino

Can’t see us getting anything from Pot 1 with possible exception of Croatia (on a good day) and the inevitable shared points with Denmark.

Want to avoid Switzerland from Pot 2. Not sure if they’re underrated but certainly a far superior team to ourselves.

Pot 4 could be tricky. Bosnia can be hit and miss but think they’re better than this seeding. Georgia have proved themselves well able for us.

Again in Pot 5 there are a few teams I don’t think we’d get full points from. Avoid the long distance trips.

Pot 6 should all be winnable but God knows any more.

No doubt we get at least one of Denmark, Wales, Georgia or Gibraltar.

So what’s your best/worst case scenarios?

FWIW I don’t think we’ll qualify but can always dream. And even if we do, Qatar can still **** off.

fullstop

johnnyryan89 wrote: »

Do tell us how you've come to this conclusion? Seeing as Doherty started 6 of Spurs 8 league games before testing positive for Covid. Has started more league games and games in Europe, but the myth of him being effective in a back four has been busted because he was poor in a game after coming back from Covid.

There’s been pretty consistent criticism of his performances from spurs fans since he joined. He has looked very limited in his performances for them, and he’s been poor in pretty much every game he’s played for ireland...all in a back 4. He even said it himself recently that he has to learn that position as he didn’t have the same defensive responsibilities at Wolves.
Until ireland start playing a back 3, Coleman is much the better option at RB when both are fit.

Jimbob1977

Remarkable to see Luxembourg in Pot Four. I didn't think they would be in a tier above the Baltic States, although Latvia have collapsed in the FIFA rankings.

o Croatia or Denmark would be the best bet in Pot One. Might be possible to snatch a few points there. The rest of Pot One are too good for Ireland.

o Pot Two is interesting. They won't fear us, but we shouldn't fear them. Sweden, Poland and Switzerland would have the measure of us. Wales would be a decent opportunity.

o Pot Four worries would be Israel, Bosnia, North Macedonia and Albania.

In terms of places I'd like to visit

Italy
Austria
Israel
Faroe Islands
Malta

Pawwed Rig

Hadda great time in Austria last time we played there. The result was probably a good driver of it but decent place to visit alright.
After the year we've had I will be at every away game possible from here in

Mr.Nice Guy

topmanamillion wrote: »

Only just spotted McCarthy is now managing in Cyprus. And people reckon Kenny doesn't have a strong enough CV.

How does McCarthy now managing APOEL counter people reckoning Kenny doesn't have a strong enough CV?

topmanamillion wrote:

The post employment of our last 2 managers before Kenny reads -
Nottingham Forrest - disaster/doesn't manage again and Cyprus.

Why are you limiting them to their 'post employment' record? You realise a manager's CV is a record of everything they have done in the game?

topmanamillion wrote:

The agents of these dinosaurs must have been licking their lips when the FAI rocked up with €2 million salary packages.

'Dinosaurs.' :rolleyes: At least those two coaches you deride got us some wins, not to mention appearances at tournaments.

CantGetNoSleep

14th ranked league in Europe, and a team that has made it to the knockout stages of both the Champions League and Europa League in the last 10 years.

Kenny meanwhile got relegated in his one year in the 11th ranked league, and has spent the rest of his career in the 37th ranked league.

We'd all be getting our vaccines ready to head off to the Euros in the summer if he hadn't shafted Mick out of a job by insisting on being in charge for the playoffs

Stewball

My WCQ draw scenarios.

Worst
France
Switzerland
Macedonia/Bosnia
Armenia
Malta

Best
Denmark
Slovakia
Bulgaria/Luxembourg
Andorra
San Marino

We'd struggle to finish 4th in the worst case draw and we'd have a chance of finishing 2nd in the best IMO.

I'd prefer if we only drew a 5 team group considering the March & September international windows are triple matchdays - having less travel and only two games to concentrate on will benefit SK & the team (as long as the FAI don't organise ridiculous friendlies).

CantGetNoSleep

CantGetNoSleep wrote: »

14th ranked league in Europe, and a team that has made it to the knockout stages of both the Champions League and Europa League in the last 10 years.

Kenny meanwhile got relegated in his one year in the 11th ranked league, and has spent the rest of his career in the 37th ranked league.

We'd all be getting our vaccines ready to head off to the Euros in the summer if he hadn't shafted Mick out of a job by insisting on being in charge for the playoffs

Poor Mick, why didn't he stand up to it. If only he had the courage to reject the million quid he pocketed for leaving one game before his time was up anyway...

henke

Good to see Kelleher playing in the PL. Only tuned in for the second half so can't comment how he got on so far but he's keeping a clean sheet so far.

DJIMI TRARORE

henke wrote:

Good to see Kelleher playing in the PL. Only tuned in for the second half so can't comment how he got on so far but he's keeping a clean sheet so far.

Made a great save at 0-0, looking assured and confident

Rhys Essien

Another brilliant stat for Kelleher.

https://twitter.com/clemente_carl/status/1335698385194639361?s=21

Rhys Essien

And another crazy one.

The youngest Liverpool keeper in almost 108 years to keep a clean sheet on his debut.

https://twitter.com/michael_reid11/status/1335692647298703367?s=21

Every Irish fan hopes he's the next Dino Zoff, but trying to extrapolate predictions based on 1 and 2 game "stats"...naaaaaa

lawred2

Everything has to be twisted into a "stat"

ArmaniJeanss

So Denmark, Wales, Georgia and Gibraltar is a possibility again?
Drawception.

Rhys Essien

lawred2 wrote: »

Everything has to be twisted into a "stat"

Are you trying to tell me you wouldn’t like to have the best record in 108 years for something you did.

BonnieSituation

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

So Denmark, Wales, Georgia and Gibraltar is a possibility again?
Drawception.

No.

No.

Please god no. I can't face Denmark and Wales again.

Rhys Essien

Rhys Essien wrote: »

Are you trying to tell me you wouldn’t like to have the best record in 108 years for something you did.

Make no mistake about it, if Kelleher had started for United or Tottenham or any of the other top 6 sides people would be roaring for him to start in goal for Ireland aleady, but because it's Liverpool they can't see past the end of their own noses and try to take him down a peg or two. Making a CL debut against Ajax and a PL debut against Wolves is about as good as it gets for a 22 year old goalkeeper.

sugarman

sugarman wrote: »

Bit of a bizarre comment. What do Ireland fans supposedly have against Liverpool? A lot of posters in here don't even support an EPL team

Lawred is an Everton supporter and Conor74 is a United supporter. If you don't think United or Everton supporters have anything against Liverpool then you're incredibly naive.

sugarman wrote: »

..and the ones that do Id like to think they put their country first and are sensible enough not to be having a pop at one of our own players just because he plays for a certain team they don't support in a country they are neither from or live in.

In this country of begrudgers? LOL

lawred2

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Lawred is an Everton supporter and Conor74 is a United supporter. If you don't think United or Everton supporters have anything against Liverpool then you're incredibly naive.

That's just ridiculous. Best of luck to Kelleher.

It's the tortured 'stats' that I was highlighting.

topmanamillion

CantGetNoSleep wrote: »

We'd all be getting our vaccines ready to head off to the Euros in the summer if he hadn't shafted Mick out of a job by insisting on being in charge for the playoffs

What's this based on?
Before McCarthy started, we were all but guaranteed a play off via the nations league.
He then proceeds to finish 3rd in a 3 horse race with stellar results like a 1-0 in Gibraltar.

Georgia and Luxembourg scored the same amount of goals as us in qualifying (7).
Denmark were one shy of that in each of their games against Gibraltar.

You're absolutely dreaming if you think McCarthy would have suddenly found a way to find the goals we needed to get through the play offs.

TheadoreT

I'd much rather see him at a lower premier league club or championship one right now. He'll soon be back to being consigned to League cup and the odd FA cup appearance at best for liverpool which wont really further his career. The longer he dwells as a number 2/3 the less other sides will want to take a risk on him. Being behind a 28 year old and arguably the best in the world is not particularly a strong career choice imo

loyatemu

topmanamillion wrote: »

What's this based on?
Before McCarthy started, we were all but guaranteed a play off via the nations league.
He then proceeds to finish 3rd in a 3 horse race with stellar results like a 1-0 in Gibraltar.

People still seem to think that Mick "got us to the playoffs"

he didn't do anything, we got to the playoffs by default. The only thing Mick could have done is helped us to avoid the playoffs by getting through via the qualifiers, something he made a total hash of.

The_Kew_Tour

topmanamillion wrote: »

What's this based on?
Before McCarthy started, we were all but guaranteed a play off via the nations league.
He then proceeds to finish 3rd in a 3 horse race with stellar results like a 1-0 in Gibraltar.

Georgia and Luxembourg scored the same amount of goals as us in qualifying (7).
Denmark were one shy of that in each of their games against Gibraltar.

You're absolutely dreaming if you think McCarthy would have suddenly found a way to find the goals we needed to get through the play offs.

Its hilarious when people think Mick would have got us to the Euros.

Pie in the sky stuff

ebbsy

Jimbob1977 wrote: »

Remarkable to see Luxembourg in Pot Four. I didn't think they would be in a tier above the Baltic States, although Latvia have collapsed in the FIFA rankings.

o Croatia or Denmark would be the best bet in Pot One. Might be possible to snatch a few points there. The rest of Pot One are too good for Ireland.

o Pot Two is interesting. They won't fear us, but we shouldn't fear them. Sweden, Poland and Switzerland would have the measure of us. Wales would be a decent opportunity.

o Pot Four worries would be Israel, Bosnia, North Macedonia and Albania.

In terms of places I'd like to visit

Italy
Austria
Israel
Faroe Islands
Malta

Yeah Sweden, Poland or Switzerland are beyond us.

BonnieSituation

lawred2 wrote: »

That's just ridiculous. Best of luck to Kelleher.

It's the tortured 'stats' that I was highlighting.

"They've won 8 of their last 13 at home on a Wednesday"

BonnieSituation

TheadoreT wrote: »

I'd much rather see him at a lower premier league club or championship one right now. He'll soon be back to being consigned to League cup and the odd FA cup appearance at best for liverpool which wont really further his career. The longer he dwells as a number 2/3 the less other sides will want to take a risk on him. Being behind a 28 year old and arguably the best in the world is not particularly a strong career choice imo

And then the complaints will rain down about how we have no players playing for a top-4/6/8 team or whatever nonsensical argument is this week's Irish squad moan.

I'm gonna trust the judgement of the goalkeeper himself and the management team of the best club in England on this matter.

I know how exciting it is for us all to watch our plodders week in and week out in the lower reaches.

One bit of sunshine this week and we're back to moaning.

yourdeadwright

TheadoreT wrote: »

I'd much rather see him at a lower premier league club or championship one right now. He'll soon be back to being consigned to League cup and the odd FA cup appearance at best for liverpool which wont really further his career. The longer he dwells as a number 2/3 the less other sides will want to take a risk on him. Being behind a 28 year old and arguably the best in the world is not particularly a strong career choice imo

Kelleher only ben a keeper for 6 years so still very much learning

He's at one of the best Clubs in the world ,
Has one of the best mangers in world football , some of the best coaches , trains with arguable the best keeper in the world and saving shots daily from some of the best attacker in the world ,

If he is now there number 2 he will get plenty of game time ,

Also lets not forget Alisson is injury prone for a keeper ,

No need for Kelleher to go any where just yet,

Agent Coulson

Is the draw on TV?

kksaints

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Is the draw on TV?

RTE news now from 5.

ebbsy

UEFA linking these qualifiers to the Nations League does not help us either ?

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

Lawred is an Everton supporter and Conor74 is a United supporter. If you don't think United or Everton supporters have anything against Liverpool then you're incredibly naive.

In this country of begrudgers? LOL

Not aware of any big issue between Leeds and Liverpool, in fact the Kop gave Revie's Leeds a standing ovation when they effectively wrapped up their first title at Anfield.

I was simply making the point that 1 or 2 games is really not enough on which to base predictions.

topmanamillion

ebbsy wrote: »

UEFA linking these qualifiers to the Nations League does not help us either ?

The two NL spots will be no good to us. They'll benefit top seeds not the likes of us.

Next to impossible for us to qualify for a World Cup. We obviously won't top a group and a play off is now an absolute wolf pit of 12 teams fighting for 3 spots.

ebbsy

topmanamillion wrote: »

The two NL spots will be no good to us. They'll benefit top seeds not the likes of us.

Next to impossible for us to qualify for a World Cup. We obviously won't top a group and a play off is now an absolute wolf pit of 12 teams fighting for 3 spots.

The USA World Cup has 48 teams....amazing really.