Tipping when eating out.

Antares35

Greta_Funberg wrote: »

Went to a place with the missus last year that automatically added a 5% "gratuity" charge to the bill, that you ask to remove... This was for a lunch. Nothing fancy. Of course I didn't pay it, never went back and was happy to see it's closed up (pre-covid).

Inertia tipping. Probably hoping most people would be too embarrassed to have it removed I suppose.

Surreptitious

IAMAMORON wrote: »

Did you shout at them from time to time, curse and swear?

Not at all. I'm a quiet chef. It's the men that do the shouting. Women just put up with the constant stream of sexual jokes. But none of the kitchen got tips, not just me. The front of house got it all.

IAMAMORON

Surreptitious wrote: »

Not at all. I'm a quiet chef. It's the men that do the shouting. Women just put up with the constant stream of sexual jokes. But none of the kitchen got tips, not just me. The front of house got it all.

Ok, you probably didn't shout loud enough so. You really need to be putting the fear of god into them. Politeness first, but when that stops working you need to kick off bigtime, it is all about respect really.

IAMAMORON

Antares35 wrote: »

Thankfully I don't work in a job that necessitates tipping so you'll have to keep the jellies for someone else

You are just playing hard to get now, you big tease.

Ush1

Interesting to contrast this thread with the one on being middle class.

If you tip people, I can assure you, you aren't middle class. A vulgar practice with a stench of working class "new money".

dinneenp

Ush1 wrote: »

Interesting to contrast this thread with the one on being middle class.

If you tip people, I can assure you, you aren't middle class. A vulgar practice with a stench of working class "new money".

FFS, you're honestly not joking. So you're saying that nobody middle class tips. That's an untruth. Most people tip without even thinking how much to tip & how good or bad the service was. It's become ingrained in people

IAMAMORON

Ush1 wrote: »

Interesting to contrast this thread with the one on being middle class.

If you tip people, I can assure you, you aren't middle class. A vulgar practice with a stench of working class "new money".

No, I massively disagree. It just means you are mean.

I am middle class, but I am not mean. So I tip when I like, there is nothing trashy about it.

dinneenp

CarProblem

I think tipping threads are second only to threads where Guinness snobs who can't see the marketing bullsh!t they have swallowed is just that (without a hint of self awareness) moan about craft beer snobs

IAMAMORON wrote: »

It just means you are mean

No it doesn't

Take two scenarios:

1. person eats out alone regularly, ignores his widowed mother at home and never takes her out despite knowing she's lonely and would really appreciate being taken out. Leaves a tip
2. this person's brother takes his mother to a nice restaurant to spoil her in a place she could never afford. She really appreciates the effort. However he doesn't leave a tip

Some people on the thread are saying 1. isn't mean/mangy/stingy but 2 is. And before anyone says nobody is saying that look back at how many posts bluntly state "no tip => mean".

Leaving a tip doesn't make you not mean and vice versa

In any case if you want to tip work away, if you you don't don't. Like guinness vs craft beer - drink whatever you like the taste of

BraveDonut

I tip 10% in Ireland and 20% in the US.

Differences being in the US their 'wage' will be a lot less. Also, in the US I find that they go out of their way to be attentive and anticipate the customer's needs. Also nothing is a problem - no matter how awkward the customer is - separate cheques? Sure, no problem!

I won't tip here if the service is not good enough or if there is any kind of service charge pre-added to the bill.

Spent the last week holidaying in Ireland so a lot of eating out.
Didn't tip twice due to bad service.
1st time she was just an unaware gobsh1te - tapped the card and walked out.
2nd time we called the manager and told her why we would not be tipping so that the server might learn from how they treated us.

I usually tip by adding it to the bill and then pay by card - hardly ever use cash these days.

My wife goes mad if, when you tell them to add a tip to the bill, they don't say thank you...

Samuel T. Cogley

They're unlikely to see the tip added to the bill I'd imagine.

Strumms

Antares35 wrote: »

God no, I hate posh chocolates. Notions.

Antares35 wrote: »

This I can understand. Tipping because it's a good service or people going out of their way etc. I'm slightly irked by the ones who tip just because they perceive that someone is less well off. Oh we must tip the poor receptionist and the cleaner because they are on sh*t money. Don't tip the chef, he/ she earns more. Is it just pity tipping? Is it a way to make themselves feel superior? I don't know. Tip for good service, like you said, not just because someone is on a lower wage.

Yep, same here. You don’t know anybody’s circumstances. I just tip on receipt of good service, on receipt of bad I don’t... person waiting my table might have 80 grand in the joint bank account with their other half , I’m still tipping.

I was in Japan last year, there tipping is considered rude as the customer is implying that the person who serves them has not enough money. As someone who always tips, I found it strange initially that they insisted that I take my change, then a Japanese explained their cultural take on charity.

I would always tip, in most cases the staff are earning minimum wage, or are students/part timers. I wouldn’t expect someone who can’t afford to tip to do so, but I would think you are a tight ass if you could and didn’t.

El Tarangu

Dav010 wrote: »

I would always tip, in most cases the staff are earning minimum wage, or are students/part timers. I wouldn’t expect someone who can’t afford to tip to do so, but I would think you are a tight ass if you could and didn’t.

I suppose you do the same thing in petrol stations, supermarkets and McDonalds; the people working there generally make somewhere around minimum wage.

Glico Man

Surreptitious wrote: »

I never got tipped in the kitchen. I was promised I would be up to 100 a week which never transpired, the waiting staff took all the tips.

That's down to poor management IMO.

I'm a restaurant and bar manager and make sure everyone gets their fair share. Tips are split between lunch and dinner service every day and are pooled until the end of the week. Every member of staff working gets accounted for kitchen staff and KPs included.

It doesn't sit right with me that chefs and KPs wouldn't get a share when they bust their bollocks to make sure service runs smoothly.

El Tarangu

El Tarangu wrote: »

I suppose you do the same thing in petrol stations, supermarkets and McDonalds; the people working there generally make somewhere around minimum wage.

Not in convenience/fast food stores, I’m there only for a few seconds.

CarProblem

I stop random people on the street and ask them how much they earn. If they say "minimum wage" I throw them a 20

I often see people on the street not doing this, stingy cunts

CarProblem

CarProblem wrote: »

I stop random people on the street and ask them how much they earn. If they say "minimum wage" I throw them a 20

I often see people on the street not doing this, stingy cunts

Creepy. Do many tell you to F**k off and mind your own bees wax, or do they just take the money?

dinneenp

dinneenp wrote: »

Imagine that ever coming to Ireland, getting scolded for not tipping. It happens in America where i'm sure tipping initially started as a way to recognise great service then as the years progressed on to being expected and eventually through to getting a mini tantrum for not tipping.

El Tarangu

Dav010 wrote: »

Not in convenience/fast food stores, I’m there only for a few seconds.

You don't??

Because I think that anyone who could afford to tip any of these workers, but didn't, is a tight ass.

El Tarangu

El Tarangu wrote: »

You don't??

Because I think that anyone who could afford to tip any of these workers, but didn't, is a tight ass.

That is your prerogative, I tend only to tip when I have a sit down meal rather than when buying a bar of chocolate or diesel for my car, but fair dues, you are very generous indeed.

TheW1zard

Was at a really fancy restaurant there the other week. Apparently.
Food was good, service was ****e.
We couldnt have spent more money but there was no service. We got our starter and main. Waited 30 mins for a dessert. We were only offered 1 bottle of wine when we ordered first it seems.
Was charged 1160 euro because the waiter made a mistake. Fair enough. Our original waiter had gone off somewhere sometime after the main was served.
When i was being presented the card machine i was pointed at the tip button. I said im grand.
He pointed it out again.
I said no.
I got the 1160 back and paid 116 for the underwhelming experience.
Could have afforded the 1160 but wasnt wearing a suit i guess.
I dont tip unless i get good service.
Screw your tip!

Strumms

TheW1zard wrote: »

Was at a really fancy restaurant there the other week. Apparently.
Food was good, service was ****e.
We couldnt have spent more money but there was no service. We got our starter and main. Waited 30 mins for a dessert. We were only offered 1 bottle of wine when we ordered first it seems.
Was charged 1160 euro because the waiter made a mistake. Fair enough. Our original waiter had gone off somewhere sometime after the main was served.
When i was being presented the card machine i was pointed at the tip button. I said im grand.
He pointed it out again.
I said no.
I got the 1160 back and paid 116 for the underwhelming experience.
Could have afforded the 1160 but wasnt wearing a suit i guess.
I dont tip unless i get good service.
Screw your tip!

If they pointed at a tip button a second time after I declined I’d be tempted to take said card machine and insert it into their rectum. That’s simply an attempt to bully you out of your cash and to hell with your views on service, financial position or otherwise. No time for bullying.

garrettod

Tipping should be by exception, for particularly good service. It's not an obligation and no one should feel that the have to ever tip.

We pay high prices to restaurants in Ireland, and the staff are employed by those restaurants, so there's no need for us to have to pay them twice.

i_surge

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

Lot of miserly old “Scrooges” in this thread. Heaven forbid a member of the waiting staff should make a few quid extra for providing a decent service.

I’ve always found that tipping isn’t always an altruistic “gesture”, you do get remembered and are certain to be “looked after” next time you call in.

Hell, I’ve even thrown a few quid at the Maître D', when a place is fully booked, so as to “procure” a table for us. They know I’ll look after the waiting staff as well so it’s win-win and the group who’s table we took can wait a little longer.

You won’t get to take too many shortcuts without “greasing” a few palms along the way.

Next you’ll be saying you don’t tip your barber!

Do palms get greased for expediency on the earning side of things too?

I just keep a briefcase handy for when i have to make a pesky murder inquiry go away, awful inconvenience.

Parsnips

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

10% in a nice, proper, restaurant? Nah, that’s for cafes and “burger” places.

15-20%, near always 20, in a restaurant.

20% ?? absolute Madness.
Max for us would be 10-12% and thats if everything is good. Place, Service, Food etc. But I would have no issue with just leaving a fiver if thats all the change I had.
IMO service here is far far inferior to somehwere like the U.S.
We are already being ripped off here.
I was out last week with family and after a mediocre meal asked for Choc brownie for desert. Well ... it was the smallest brownie I have ever been serveed in my Life. I was actually embarrased for them and said it to the Waitress and asked her to pass it on to the chef/management. TIP WASNT GREAT

MaryLouMacari

I remember a scene in the Sopranos. Waiter followed Paulie and Christopher outside complaining about the lack of a tip. One of them shot him dead.

maestroamado

I expect the 20% is coming from American companies here. This is a culture I do not like where customer is paying a fair chunk of waiting staff wages. Also in the US there is this pressure to tip that I not like, Around 10% grand as we are not fully in America yet but we closing in.

I don't stick to a strict percentage, I leave a few coins on the table or for a large meal it'll be a fiver and a few coins. I always leave it on the table so that it can go straight in their pocket up to them if they want to share it

The way I see it these are usually students working their way through college or immigrants starting a new life. Whatever their situation I have huge respect for them. I think to myself what was I doing when I was their age? Not earning my way through college or starting out a better, safer life for my family thats for sure.

I fthink they are a great example for my children too. I always say to them one day you'll be going to college and earning your own money.

Apart from all that, when they are so friendly it makes your dining experience much more enjoyable

Greta_Funberg

MaryLouMacari wrote: »

I remember a scene in the Sopranos. Waiter followed Paulie and Christopher outside complaining about the lack of a tip. One of them shot him dead.

As I recall, it was only to put him out of his misery after they clocked him on the head with a rock.

If you are happy with the service and do feel like tipping a fiver would be plenty.

Esho

RasTa wrote: »

No, because they don't bring my food to my table, top up my glass. Clear plates from my table etc.

Basic stuff here. The barman, waiters and the barber all deserve to be tipped every single time.

If you don't, you're a bum. Simples.

Off topic, but how much do you tip your barber? Curious.

Parsnips

Deleted User wrote: »

I don't stick to a strict percentage, I leave a few coins on the table or for a large meal it'll be a fiver and a few coins. I always leave it on the table so that it can go straight in their pocket up to them if they want to share it

The way I see it these are usually students working their way through college or immigrants starting a new life. Whatever their situation I have huge respect for them. I think to myself what was I doing when I was their age? Not earning my way through college or starting out a better, safer life for my family thats for sure.

I fthink they are a great example for my children too. I always say to them one day you'll be going to college and earning your own money.

Apart from all that, when they are so friendly it makes your dining experience much more enjoyable

I agree witht this.
I will always place the tip in the waitors hand myself.
also I cannot stand when a gratuity is on the Bill. For me this means the management are helping themsleves to this.
I go out of my way to ask the staff if they get the full tip.. If not, I put gratuity as Blank on the Bill and leave some cash in hand.

1hnr79jr65

For local delivery drivers i tend to tip up to €5 (min of €3) depending what change i have available, i find i benefit from super fast delivery service from the same reliable drivers with food piping hot right to my door. I value this tip as it ensures im not waiting an hour for food i order and often these drivers can influence the restaurant on which orders to get out quicker than others. I have had orders at my door within 15-20 mins of order being accepted and i like this kind of service.

Restaurants i will tip if the service if really good, server anticipating our needs and interacting quick to top up drinks and such without being overly intrusive, also very friendly attitude and accommodating of reasonable requests. These would be restaurants we frequent regularly and get on with the staff, and often we would receive complementary drinks/desserts and/or larger portions of food from starter/mains. Again there is value there as you get well looked after and tend to tip up to 15% for this kind of service. The 15% would turn out to be cheaper than order those extras we may get or the cost of the complimentary items which they would most likely write off as damaged or similar.

Parsnips

A very good "TIP" I was given last year and tried it.
I was at a wedding before lockdown and early in the night I asked the 2 bargirls where they working the wedding all night. They both said yes. so I gave them my Name handed them a tenner Tip before ordering my first drink and asked them to keep an eye out for me at the bar all night. Believe me..... this worked an absolute treat especially when people where looking at me getting served immediately at a busy bar.

murpho999

Sour Lemonz wrote: »

For local delivery drivers i tend to tip up to €5 (min of €3) depending what change i have available, i find i benefit from super fast delivery service from the same reliable drivers with food piping hot right to my door. I value this tip as it ensures im not waiting an hour for food i order and often these drivers can influence the restaurant on which orders to get out quicker than others. I have had orders at my door within 15-20 mins of order being accepted and i like this kind of service.

I find €5 for a paid delivery to be OTT.

Also I'd be worried and unimpressed if food arrived at my door 15 minutes after ordering as I'd wonder how it's ready so quickly. I'd doubt it's freshness.

A good delivery service should have good equipment for keeping food hot too.

Restaurants i will tip if the service if really good, server anticipating our needs and interacting quick to top up drinks and such without being overly intrusive, also very friendly attitude and accommodating of reasonable requests. These would be restaurants we frequent regularly and get on with the staff, and often we would receive complementary drinks/desserts and/or larger portions of food from starter/mains. Again there is value there as you get well looked after and tend to tip up to 15% for this kind of service. The 15% would turn out to be cheaper than order those extras we may get or the cost of the complimentary items which they would most likely write off as damaged or similar.

What sort of drinks do you get that are topped up? Never heard of this.
You're also calling stuff you didn't ask for such as larger portions or free desserts as saving but it's not really as you weren't going to order them.

To be honest I would find a restaurant that operates the way you describe as a bit strange.

I just think with the prices we pay that we should get good service and staff should not have to be bribed to do this.

s1ippy

Many of my close friends work in hospitality. They often tell me about incredibly difficult and awkward customers... a few times I thought their accounts couldn't be true.

Having read this thread I have to say nothing would surprise me anymore.

Just be nice, give the staff a tip. Especially if their job pays probably a fraction of what yours does and they have to work antisocial hours and they're on their feet all day dealing with the likes of you. Haven't you seen fight club? They're going to start wreaking havok and eventually collapse the banking system.

Fingers crossed anyway.

JP Liz V1

If the food and service is good, I will tip

TheW1zard

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

If the food and service is good, I will tip

Why?

TheW1zard

TheW1zard wrote: »

Why?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4ZXRlcoEW8

the_pen_turner

s1ippy wrote: »

Many of my close friends work in hospitality. They often tell me about incredibly difficult and awkward customers... a few times I thought their accounts couldn't be true.

Having read this thread I have to say nothing would surprise me anymore.

Just be nice, give the staff a tip. Especially if their job pays probably a fraction of what yours does and they have to work antisocial hours and they're on their feet all day dealing with the likes of you. Haven't you seen fight club? They're going to start wreaking havok and eventually collapse the banking system.

Fingers crossed anyway.

not sure how you are inking someone being awkward and not tipping. totally unrellated.

i dont understand the concept from a minium wage point of view. minimum wage is 10 10, thats not bad for a low skilled job with no responsibility i bet if you worked it out most self employed tradesmen are only getting that after all the costs and stress.

TheW1zard

Dav010 wrote: »

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4ZXRlcoEW8

I dont get your point.
I do tip if the food and service is good, I was asking why the other poster did :rolleyes:
Your vid would imply wait staff are scumbags and that the only tip i should be giving is to the inspector

CarProblem

s1ippy wrote: »

Just be nice, give the staff a tip. Especially if their job pays probably a fraction of what yours does and they have to work antisocial hours and they're on their feet all day dealing with the likes of you

But does this only apply to restaurants or also late night shopping, 24 hour petrol stations, the chipper after a feed of drink etc.?

If only restaurants why?

IAMAMORON

Esho wrote: »

Off topic, but how much do you tip your barber? Curious.

At least a fiver. If I get a serious grooming possibly a tenner.

CarProblem

CarProblem wrote: »

But does this only apply to restaurants or also late night shopping, 24 hour petrol stations, the chipper after a feed of drink etc.?

If only restaurants why?

I usually sit down in restaurants, we could be there up to two hours. I spend a couple of seconds at the til paying in the other places you mention. The person on a 24 hr petrol stations could serve hundreds of people a day, the waiter/waitress is responsible for the service of a few people per night and their actions impact the enjoyment of the culinary experience. I hope you can appreciate the difference between the two situations.

Homelander

However, the person at the till could be incredibly friendly, make an incredibly good impression, go way above and beyond to be helpful, and yet you'd never dream of giving them a tip.

Meanwhile, you have people on this thread openly saying they tip terrible bar staff and waiters "because I'm not a stinge".

There is no logic to it whatsoever. It's an import from the US where service staff rely on tips to survive, and it got particularly rooted during the Celtic Tiger where people were desperate to throw money at anything. In Ireland, they get paid our decent minimum wage.

By all means, tip to support excellent service. But this whole "you're a mange if you don't tip" is contextually utter nonsense.

s1ippy

s1ippy wrote: »

Many of my close friends work in hospitality. They often tell me about incredibly difficult and awkward customers... a few times I thought their accounts couldn't be true.

Having read this thread I have to say nothing would surprise me anymore.

Just be nice, give the staff a tip. Especially if their job pays probably a fraction of what yours does and they have to work antisocial hours and they're on their feet all day dealing with the likes of you. Haven't you seen fight club? They're going to start wreaking havok and eventually collapse the banking system.

Fingers crossed anyway.

This is ridiculous, you are assuming that people who dont tip everytime are also awkward customers. I am always polite to staff and I dont torture them with all sorts of requests.

I'd say its the customer who knows they will be tipping and therefore feels entitled to be an absolute pest with requests they need be concerned about.

Salthillprom

Yes, I will alwaya tip unless service is terrible.

hynesie08

It's 2020, if your card machine doesn't have the facility to add tips then I'm not going to feel bad about not tipping. I have no issues with it but don't make it difficult for me. Especially with covid when I'm actively trying not to carry cash....

flasher0030

murpho999 wrote: »

I find €5 for a paid delivery to be OTT.


What sort of drinks do you get that are topped up? Never heard of this.
You're also calling stuff you didn't ask for such as larger portions or free desserts as saving but it's not really as you weren't going to order them.

To be honest I would find a restaurant that operates the way you describe as a bit strange.

I just think with the prices we pay that we should get good service and staff should not have to be bribed to do this.

Surely you're aware that many restaurant staff go around topping up glasses of wine for the customers. It's not that alien a practice.
You're in a grumpy mood today. Where did the poster say they weren't going to order dessert. They are saying that they got free dessert (sometimes). The alternative is that they order dessert and have to pay for it.
On the larger portions - some places, they charge you for around €3 each for extra chips, vegetables, onion rings etc. If you get a large enough portion, you don't' need to order there - therefore it's a saving.
I don't know how you find all this strange. That happens us in our local many times. Sometimes they drop over a free drink. Sometimes will throw us the complimentary dessert. In return then, as we would have paid over €10 for 2 desserts, we'd give a lot of it back in a tip. Would have tipped anyway. But at least we leave the place with a feel-good factor. And a full belly.