Minister for Agriculture attends 81-person golf event in breach of health guidelines

partyguinness

This is where I think the Tories & Cummings have got it right. Their attitude is:-

"Fcuk the lot of you and so what if there a few indiscretions here and there. What are you going to do about it?"

Ignore all the noise from the chattering classes because that is all this is ultimately. A lot of noise.

This will all be forgotten about this time next week. Move on to the next "furious" key board slamming outrage.

StackSteevens

Cork Lass wrote: »

You must also remember that he was not the people’s choice. He was elected to the Dail on the 6th count and now he’s basking in the glory of the title he has coveted for years to the detriment of the people. Another self-serving bureaucratic gob****e.

What has the count number on which he was elected got to do with anything?

I assume that FF manged the votes in Cork SC to ensure that they won 2 seats. That's something that Ahern and Haughey seldom managed to do, because their egos demanded that they obtained a massive personal vote.

v638sg7k1a92bx

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Not sure if you are on a wind up , but here goes. I think alot of the restrictions are bs but I follow as close as I can because that is what is expected of me. Now my problem is a bunch of the people involved in imposing restrictions on my life and that of my family and friends feel the same restrictions are not applicable to them. They found out today they were wrong, so f**k them.

Exactly because they know that the restrictions are pointless because the risk of getting the virus let alone dying from it is extremely low. Do you really think they would risk their life or health if this virus was so dangerous that it is now law to wear a facemask in the supermarket.

Cannot understand how so many people have accepted these restrictions and just rushed to show their compliance.

drunkmonkey

Sophia Cuddly Amputee wrote: »

That just suggests that the virus isn't that bad. You said it yourself, less than 1%.

It means we've done a brilliant job in not getting it, it's where do we go from here? Heard immunity is a long way away... schools should solve that problem.

Buford T Justice

Sophia Cuddly Amputee wrote: »

What wild sweeping claims are you referring to? It's a statement of fact that almost nobody is getting sick or dying from this virus.

Your claim that the majority of people have been exposed to start with.

StackSteevens

lawrencesummers wrote: »

I’m well aware. Had the Green Party ran a decent candidate in CSS he would be on €350 a week now.

No. Master McGrath would.

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Buford T Justice wrote: »

Your claim that the majority of people have been exposed to start with.

I've answered that already but when you consider that the virus has been in circulation since last, how could they not have been exposed to the virus at this stage?

Cheensbo

Sophia Cuddly Amputee wrote: »

I'm open to correction on everything I've said but those are the facts - almost nobody is getting sick from this virus. I cannot put it more simple than that.

That's because almost nobody is picking it up, no?

lucernarian

drunkmonkey wrote: »

It means we've done a brilliant job in not getting it, it's where do we go from here? Heard immunity is a long way away... schools should solve that problem.

I see some of what you say, but feel it would have been better to stamp it out like in New Zealand. They've spent most of the year without the restrictions around the world.

Either way, Big Phil will get a pat on the back for his services to Europe while he holds the rest of the country and Kildare in particular in complete contempt.

josip

NickNickleby wrote: »

that's a bit harsh.

We brought our 90 year old MIL to a hotel (in Offaly:eek:), but first enquired about how they were implementing the Covid restrictions. Everything was perfect, down to one way systems in the corridors, our meals were served in the humungous dining room, where sittings and number of tables ensured safety. They even used separate socialising rooms for different family groups.

We considered Skype, with her at home on her own celebrating her 90th, and all of us in the Hotel, but the broadband was crap.

Apologies to Hotblack if it came across as harsh.
I didn't mean to be critical of the decision to bring the MIL to a hotel, it's a nice thing to do and undoubtedly required extra effort by the younger members of the travelling group.


But once you leave your home environment, you've got to accept the added risk that some things will be outside your control.
You can't rely on everyone else doing the proper thing.
If you're not ok with that added risk, especially for elderly people, then wouldn't it be less stressful not to travel in the first place?

v638sg7k1a92bx

Cheensbo wrote: »

That's because almost nobody is picking it up, no?

To put it simply, if almost nobody has the virus, and almost nobody is getting sick and or dying that suggests that the virus is not that deadly.

Almost nobody has it
Almost nobody is getting sick
Almost nobody is dying

Why do we have these restrictions???

Buford T Justice

Sophia Cuddly Amputee wrote: »

I've answered that already but when you consider that the virus has been in circulation since last, how could they not have been exposed to the virus at this stage?

So you're stating your opinion then, and not fact?

drunkmonkey

Sophia Cuddly Amputee wrote: »

I'm open to correction on everything I've said but those are the facts - almost nobody is getting sick from this virus. I cannot put it more simple than that.

99% of us haven't had it yet. That's why your not seeing dead people.

francie81

Some shower they would turn your stomach time for a complete overhaul of the political system no longer can we put up with these Wally’s who disconnect from the real world as soon as they grasp power, only Ireland. :mad:

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drunkmonkey wrote: »

It means we've done a brilliant job in not getting it, it's where do we go from here? Heard immunity is a long way away... schools should solve that problem.

Herd immunity has already been achieved. Look at other countries and the results are almost identical irrespective of restrictions. This virus has moved on.

Buford T Justice

Sophia Cuddly Amputee wrote: »

Herd immunity has already been achieved. Look at other countries and the results are almost identical irrespective of restrictions. This virus has moved on.

Is this more opinion, or are you stating fact?

endainoz

Sophia Cuddly Amputee wrote: »

I'm open to correction on everything I've said but those are the facts - almost nobody is getting sick from this virus. I cannot put it more simple than that.

It's changed from nobody to "almost" nobody. Sounds a bit like Donnie when he said "practically zero".

Do you really want it spelt out for you? We have had very few deaths because cases were down, and things were under relative control. We do not have a health system to cope with a massive outbreak. Acting early in March saved many lives, we could have easily had a situation similar to Italy's had we not acted.

Here's a crazy stat for you: when cases go up, so will deaths. Shocking, I know.

seamus

StackSteevens wrote: »

It's a nonsensical term anyway. Who ever attends anything "in bad faith?"

Utterly meaningless blather. Typical Hogan though.

It's a politician's blame-shifting word. "I believed I was doing the right thing, someone else made the mistake".

Aka, "Some older boys tricked me into doing it, sir".

The difference here is that Hogan can't say, "It's the venue's fault for letting it go ahead. I assumed it was OK, because it went ahead". He (and everyone else) had the opportunity to point out that the gathering was in breach, turn around and go home.

The error here is entirely his.

v638sg7k1a92bx

drunkmonkey wrote: »

99% of us haven't had it yet. That's why your not seeing dead people.

Why would 99% of us need to get it, Did 99% of people need to get sars, bird, swine flu and other viruses that have circulated the globe.

endainoz

Sophia Cuddly Amputee wrote: »

Herd immunity has already been achieved. Look at other countries and the results are almost identical irrespective of restrictions. This virus has moved on.

Ok now your just spouting rubbish, not worth arguing with.

tom1ie

Sophia Cuddly Amputee wrote: »

What wild sweeping claims are you referring to? It's a statement of fact that almost nobody is getting sick or dying from this virus.

You mean apart from the 61757 people globally in serious/critical condition and the 798013 people who have already died.
Of course these numbers are grossly underestimated as some countries don’t have the infrastructure to classify the affected cases.

But yeah your totally right.

realdanbreen

Deleted User wrote: »

Even I wouldn't take the lift in a hotel, and I'm a bit of a covid sceptic.

You don't think that's a bit over the top?

Brock Turnpike

Sophia Cuddly Amputee wrote: »

To put it simply, if almost nobody has the virus, and almost nobody is getting sick and or dying that suggests that the virus is not that deadly.

Almost nobody has it
Almost nobody is getting sick
Almost nobody is dying

Why do we have these restrictions???

In order to maintain

Almost nobody having it
Almost nobody getting sick
Almost nobody dying

tom1ie

Sophia Cuddly Amputee wrote: »

Why would 99% of us need to get it, Did 99% of people need to get sars, bird, swine flu and other viruses that have circulated the globe.

Herd immunity occurs at approx 70%.
We are nowhere near that.

_Kaiser_

partyguinness wrote: »

This is where I think the Tories & Cummings have got it right. Their attitude is:-

"Fcuk the lot of you and so what if there a few indiscretions here and there. What are you going to do about it?"

Ignore all the noise from the chattering classes because that is all this is ultimately. A lot of noise.

This will all be forgotten about this time next week. Move on to the next "furious" key board slamming outrage.

So there's nothing wrong with a group of politicians and their hangers-on ignoring the rules and regulations they and their colleagues have insisted the rest of us must live by? (under threat of prosecution in some cases)

There's nothing wrong with some of them trying to brazen their way out of it when they've been caught?

Y'know where the "noise" is.. posts like the above trying to deflect from the issue and the predictable and completely childish insults - all you missed was a "Shinner" or a "Commie" reference :rolleyes:

Well I'm neither and I for one am sick of the cozy and incestuous club between the main parties, judiciary and the media that makes up the establishment in this country. Given recent election results it seems your hope that these things are soon forgotten is wrong too - the public/coverage may move on to the next scandal alright (as if that's a good thing!) but there's a growing anger and refusal to be treated like fools among the public that is being reflected in those results.

Let's see how you feel when we end up with unstable and ineffective Governments that last a year or two as a regular occurrence because the main parties refuse to deal with this rot within their own ranks and in public life generally.

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endainoz wrote: »

It's changed from nobody to "almost" nobody. Sounds a bit like Donnie when he said "practically zero".

Do you really want it spelt out for you? We have had very few deaths because cases were down, and things were under relative control. We do not have a health system to cope with a massive outbreak. Acting early in March saved many lives, we could have easily had a situation similar to Italy's had we not acted.

Here's a crazy stat for you: when cases go up, so will deaths. Shocking, I know.

That's not true, cases have been gong up for weeks and we are not seeing the deaths.

deisedevil

Sophia Cuddly Amputee wrote: »

That's just not true. The country has been open for weeks, people have been on staycation, going to the shops, standing in lines and still nobody is dying.

The data is in and the fact is that people are not getting sick from this virus anymore. It has moved through the community, taken the susceptible and now that the majority of the population has been exposed has created community immunity.

Oh hello professor of immunology. Remind me where I can find your study on the Covid herd immunity population percentage. The first of it's kind seeing as no one else has figured this out yet.

endainoz

Sophia Cuddly Amputee wrote: »

That's not true, cases have been gong up for weeks and we are not seeing the deaths.

Gluck

Buford T Justice

Sophia Cuddly Amputee wrote: »

That's not true, cases have been gong up for weeks and we are not seeing the deaths.

And the median age of infections has reduced. Since younger people are less likely to die as a result of contraction the mortality rate decreases.

Makes sense to me.

josip

realdanbreen wrote: »

You don't think that's a bit over the top?

I don't.

We were in 3 different hotels last week, 1st and 2nd floor bedrooms.
The only time we took the lift was with suitcases.
Every other time took the stairs (and warned the kids not to touch the banister).