Minister for Agriculture attends 81-person golf event in breach of health guidelines

An Ri rua

Sophia Cuddly Amputee wrote: »

But nobody is getting sick or dying, the majority if people have been exposed, the country has been open for weeks so accounting for the lag by you theory we should see sick people in hospital by now?

Kids have been off school for months, wrestling on the green, no social distancing or face masks. 3 months ago when everyone was out for their 5km walk with no masks, where are all these sick people when the virus should have been spreading 3 months ago?

You've had a viral overload of something anyway.

Winter, dear boy /girl /he/her/she.

Obre Les ojos.

Buford T Justice

Sophia Cuddly Amputee wrote: »

I didn't realise I was under an obligation to answer you questions - whatever that was.

Fair enough.

Please, do continue with you wild sweeping claims and remain unchallenged on them.

Plumbthedepths

IAMAMORON wrote: »

You would swear we are living in Paris in the 1790's the way some of the keyboard proletariat are carrying on. The reign of Terror at least had vindication amongst its' hysteria.

They will be looking to ban golf next.

I can't help feeling the commies are secretly having a laugh at this.

A golf dinner in Galway is hardly going to be the epicentre for Irish Covid meltdown. I hope the lamb racks were worth the bother.

Can you imagine the table banter,

" Dara, enjoy that Beaujolais cause the next one your having will be from the backbenches " ....que furious table tapping and out loud laughter.

Not sure if you are on a wind up , but here goes. I think alot of the restrictions are bs but I follow as close as I can because that is what is expected of me. Now my problem is a bunch of the people involved in imposing restrictions on my life and that of my family and friends feel the same restrictions are not applicable to them. They found out today they were wrong, so f**k them.

Cork Lass

lawrencesummers wrote: »

He is however the leader of the country, and he presided over a car crash presser that lead to more questions than answers. He was asked to clarify aspects of the new rules and waffled pure bolllocks.

In a time when things need to be black and white he is talking grey.

You must also remember that he was not the people’s choice. He was elected to the Dail on the 6th count and now he’s basking in the glory of the title he has coveted for years to the detriment of the people. Another self-serving bureaucratic gob****e.

partyguinness

smelly sock wrote: »

This was an Oireacthas event though.

Massive difference pal.

I didnt make the analogy pal.

lucernarian

drunkmonkey wrote: »

I'm saying with only 1% infected we haven't had a first wave..

We just about stopped it because of the restrictions earlier this year. Should be obvious like

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An Ri rua wrote: »

You've had a viral overload of something anyway.

Winter, dear boy /girl /he/her/she.

Obre Les ojos.

It's tempting but the "winter" argument doesn't stack up because we should be using the summer months to build up more herd immunity if and a very unlikely if there is a so called second wave but it is hard to see how a second wave could present itself because, as I keep saying, nobody is getting sick and nobody is dying.

josip

josip wrote: »

Sorry Hotblack, whatever about the Clifden 81's breach of regs, it was your decision to bring your 85 year old MIL to a hotel.

Fair point. No matter how diligent and well trained the staff a hotel environment is always going to be a risky place regarding virus spread. Even I wouldn't take the lift in a hotel, and I'm a bit of a covid sceptic.

timmyntc

IAMAMORON wrote: »

You would swear we are living in Paris in the 1790's the way some of the keyboard proletariat are carrying on. The reign of Terror at least had vindication amongst its' hysteria.

They will be looking to ban golf next.

I can't help feeling the commies are secretly having a laugh at this.

A golf dinner in Galway is hardly going to be the epicentre for Irish Covid meltdown. I hope the lamb racks were worth the bother.

Can you imagine the table banter,

" Dara, enjoy that Beaujolais cause the next one your having will be from the backbenches " ....que furious table tapping and out loud laughter.

Like many outrage-worthy things, its the principle.

The day after new restrictions were brought in on gatherings, ministers and senators in the government went to a golfing committee anniversary dinner with 80 people in attendance! The arrogance is astounding

You must be being deliberately obtuse if you can't see how this is justified

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Buford T Justice wrote: »

Fair enough.

Please, do continue with you wild sweeping claims and remain unchallenged on them.

What wild sweeping claims are you referring to? It's a statement of fact that almost nobody is getting sick or dying from this virus.

lawrencesummers

Cork Lass wrote: »

You must also remember that he was not the people’s choice. He was elected to the Dail on the 6th count and now he’s basking in the glory of the title he has coveted for years to the detriment of the people. Another self-serving bureaucratic gob****e.

I’m well aware. Had the Green Party ran a decent candidate in CSS he would be on €350 a week now.

An Ri rua

Sophia Cuddly Amputee wrote: »

It's tempting but the "winter" argument doesn't stack up because we should be using the summer months to build up more herd immunity if and a very unlikely if there is a so called second wave but it is hard to see how a second wave could present itself because, as I keep saying, nobody is getting sick and nobody is dying.

Thi is illogical and we're getting off thread.

partyguinness

This is where I think the Tories & Cummings have got it right. Their attitude is:-

"Fcuk the lot of you and so what if there a few indiscretions here and there. What are you going to do about it?"

Ignore all the noise from the chattering classes because that is all this is ultimately. A lot of noise.

This will all be forgotten about this time next week. Move on to the next "furious" key board slamming outrage.

StackSteevens

Cork Lass wrote: »

You must also remember that he was not the people’s choice. He was elected to the Dail on the 6th count and now he’s basking in the glory of the title he has coveted for years to the detriment of the people. Another self-serving bureaucratic gob****e.

What has the count number on which he was elected got to do with anything?

I assume that FF manged the votes in Cork SC to ensure that they won 2 seats. That's something that Ahern and Haughey seldom managed to do, because their egos demanded that they obtained a massive personal vote.

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Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Not sure if you are on a wind up , but here goes. I think alot of the restrictions are bs but I follow as close as I can because that is what is expected of me. Now my problem is a bunch of the people involved in imposing restrictions on my life and that of my family and friends feel the same restrictions are not applicable to them. They found out today they were wrong, so f**k them.

Exactly because they know that the restrictions are pointless because the risk of getting the virus let alone dying from it is extremely low. Do you really think they would risk their life or health if this virus was so dangerous that it is now law to wear a facemask in the supermarket.

Cannot understand how so many people have accepted these restrictions and just rushed to show their compliance.

drunkmonkey

Sophia Cuddly Amputee wrote: »

That just suggests that the virus isn't that bad. You said it yourself, less than 1%.

It means we've done a brilliant job in not getting it, it's where do we go from here? Heard immunity is a long way away... schools should solve that problem.

Buford T Justice

Sophia Cuddly Amputee wrote: »

What wild sweeping claims are you referring to? It's a statement of fact that almost nobody is getting sick or dying from this virus.

Your claim that the majority of people have been exposed to start with.

StackSteevens

lawrencesummers wrote: »

I’m well aware. Had the Green Party ran a decent candidate in CSS he would be on €350 a week now.

No. Master McGrath would.

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Buford T Justice wrote: »

Your claim that the majority of people have been exposed to start with.

I've answered that already but when you consider that the virus has been in circulation since last, how could they not have been exposed to the virus at this stage?

Cheensbo

Sophia Cuddly Amputee wrote: »

I'm open to correction on everything I've said but those are the facts - almost nobody is getting sick from this virus. I cannot put it more simple than that.

That's because almost nobody is picking it up, no?

lucernarian

drunkmonkey wrote: »

It means we've done a brilliant job in not getting it, it's where do we go from here? Heard immunity is a long way away... schools should solve that problem.

I see some of what you say, but feel it would have been better to stamp it out like in New Zealand. They've spent most of the year without the restrictions around the world.

Either way, Big Phil will get a pat on the back for his services to Europe while he holds the rest of the country and Kildare in particular in complete contempt.

josip

NickNickleby wrote: »

that's a bit harsh.

We brought our 90 year old MIL to a hotel (in Offaly:eek:), but first enquired about how they were implementing the Covid restrictions. Everything was perfect, down to one way systems in the corridors, our meals were served in the humungous dining room, where sittings and number of tables ensured safety. They even used separate socialising rooms for different family groups.

We considered Skype, with her at home on her own celebrating her 90th, and all of us in the Hotel, but the broadband was crap.

Apologies to Hotblack if it came across as harsh.
I didn't mean to be critical of the decision to bring the MIL to a hotel, it's a nice thing to do and undoubtedly required extra effort by the younger members of the travelling group.


But once you leave your home environment, you've got to accept the added risk that some things will be outside your control.
You can't rely on everyone else doing the proper thing.
If you're not ok with that added risk, especially for elderly people, then wouldn't it be less stressful not to travel in the first place?

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Cheensbo wrote: »

That's because almost nobody is picking it up, no?

To put it simply, if almost nobody has the virus, and almost nobody is getting sick and or dying that suggests that the virus is not that deadly.

Almost nobody has it
Almost nobody is getting sick
Almost nobody is dying

Why do we have these restrictions???

Buford T Justice

Sophia Cuddly Amputee wrote: »

I've answered that already but when you consider that the virus has been in circulation since last, how could they not have been exposed to the virus at this stage?

So you're stating your opinion then, and not fact?

drunkmonkey

Sophia Cuddly Amputee wrote: »

I'm open to correction on everything I've said but those are the facts - almost nobody is getting sick from this virus. I cannot put it more simple than that.

99% of us haven't had it yet. That's why your not seeing dead people.

francie81

Some shower they would turn your stomach time for a complete overhaul of the political system no longer can we put up with these Wally’s who disconnect from the real world as soon as they grasp power, only Ireland. :mad:

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drunkmonkey wrote: »

It means we've done a brilliant job in not getting it, it's where do we go from here? Heard immunity is a long way away... schools should solve that problem.

Herd immunity has already been achieved. Look at other countries and the results are almost identical irrespective of restrictions. This virus has moved on.

Buford T Justice

Sophia Cuddly Amputee wrote: »

Herd immunity has already been achieved. Look at other countries and the results are almost identical irrespective of restrictions. This virus has moved on.

Is this more opinion, or are you stating fact?

endainoz

Sophia Cuddly Amputee wrote: »

I'm open to correction on everything I've said but those are the facts - almost nobody is getting sick from this virus. I cannot put it more simple than that.

It's changed from nobody to "almost" nobody. Sounds a bit like Donnie when he said "practically zero".

Do you really want it spelt out for you? We have had very few deaths because cases were down, and things were under relative control. We do not have a health system to cope with a massive outbreak. Acting early in March saved many lives, we could have easily had a situation similar to Italy's had we not acted.

Here's a crazy stat for you: when cases go up, so will deaths. Shocking, I know.

seamus

StackSteevens wrote: »

It's a nonsensical term anyway. Who ever attends anything "in bad faith?"

Utterly meaningless blather. Typical Hogan though.

It's a politician's blame-shifting word. "I believed I was doing the right thing, someone else made the mistake".

Aka, "Some older boys tricked me into doing it, sir".

The difference here is that Hogan can't say, "It's the venue's fault for letting it go ahead. I assumed it was OK, because it went ahead". He (and everyone else) had the opportunity to point out that the gathering was in breach, turn around and go home.

The error here is entirely his.