Minister for Agriculture attends 81-person golf event in breach of health guidelines

unhappys10

Multipass wrote: »

Would you F off with your ‘we are all’ crap. ‘We’ are not all breaking these rules - and ‘we’ are at risk of penalties if we do. ‘We’ might have businesses that are closed down due to obeying these rules.
‘We’ want to see those in a leadership role held to account fully for their choices.

Don't even engage with the likes of that poster talking sh1te

ChikiChiki

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

And your guess would be wrong. Im not political at all. I find people who are, see the thing through a political prism only and it limits their view. They are all the same anyway.

What i am is a realist.
We are all breaking these rules. Chasing after others to resign for things you are guilty of yourself is gobsh*te behaviour. We are going to need a solid government to get out of this well. We are going to need people well up in Europe also. Chopping and changing in a temper isnt going to give us that.
Im also experienced enough to know that this thing is probably a stitch up to some degree by someone else with some other interest, and that we are all swallowing the bait.

You may call yourself a realist but you're not very clever are you?

You don't understand how perception and optics drive behaviours. You don't seem to understand what we need to do so we can maintain a daily life that is as near normal as we can get and maintain the economy to some degree without causing further devastating damage.

You seem ignorant around accountability and flouting of rules at a time when we all need to be pulling together as one.

You just don't get it do you?

Castlekeeper

Cal4567 wrote: »

I'm afraid that it is. Probably still has a photo of Dev never mind Haughey on his bedside locker.

Bye bye FF. Everything has a shelf life. FF got to almost 100 years. I'll ask again. When FF breaks up, who will get your vote? FG or will you row in with SF. One or the other surely?

Jesus no, that's exactly what has happened up North, two bunches of crooked extremists.
Middle ground here, Greens , SD, Labour, depending on the candidate. Then again I never voted FF.

MayoAreMagic

lawrencesummers wrote: »

It should be prosecuted in line with the other 150 odd places that are also being held to account.


As for other allowing their jobs, that’s up to their employers, but public representatives are paid by the public and their behaviour can correctly be judged by the public, let’s not get carried away either, the agri lad has only lost a pay raise, he still keeps his cushy number until he goes before the people again.

I work with someone who is in Portugal, he’s coming back to two weeks unpaid leave that he will spend at home, he’s involved in some crucial projects, but the company has put everyone’s health ahead of that and him.

Any teachers or guards at the dinner? Any public servants? No mention of them? No resignations there? How strange. We both know that you arent telling the full story there so maybe spare the public servant spiel please.

Lolle06

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

And your guess would be wrong. Im not political at all. I find people who are, see the thing through a political prism only and it limits their view. They are all the same anyway.

What i am is a realist.
We are all breaking these rules. Chasing after others to resign for things you are guilty of yourself is gobsh*te behaviour. We are going to need a solid government to get out of this well. We are going to need people well up in Europe also. Chopping and changing in a temper isnt going to give us that.
Im also experienced enough to know that this thing is probably a stitch up to some degree by someone else with some other interest, and that we are all swallowing the bait.

Excuse me?! How dare you to tell me, that I broke the Covid restrictions since they were implemented!?!
Speak for yourself, not other people!

And this wasn’t a ´stitch up’! These boys and girls are just doing their ‘business as usual’ . Years ago it was the ´Galway tent’, now it is ´golf dinners´ no matter the timing! That’s the ‘ruling elite’ for you. If they had half a brain, they wouldn’t have been caught there in the first place.
Their arrogance is their downfall.

I am sure that the ppl of Ireland will learn the reason as to why this dinner was held then and there amidst a pandemic and restrictions.

And from what I read from you here, you are not a realist - you are an apologist of the ‘Mayo FF royalty’ and other Irish politicians.

maestroamado

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Probably disallowed by his handlers.

'Were you invited, Mr. Martin/Varadkar? would have been an obvious question and the answer could be checked.

There is very little being said about Sean O'Rourke.
Until a few weeeks he was one of RTE's most senior journalist.
Was he not compromised but being part of this club?
It is possible that he only became member after he retired?
Surely RTE should not have allowed this... impartial journalism...

TCDStudent1

maestroamado wrote: »

There is very little being said about Sean O'Rourke.
Until a few weeeks he was one of RTE's most senior journalist.
Was he not compromised but being part of this club?
It is possible that he only became member after he retired?
Surely RTE should not have allowed this... impartial journalism...

Isn't he retired now? So I dont see how there could be any repercussions for him? Might have been different if he was still there.

Gods Gift

If you were a realist your name would be MayoAreSh1tr

TCDStudent1

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

Any teachers or guards at the dinner? Any public servants? No mention of them? No resignations there? How strange. We both know that you arent telling the full story there so maybe spare the public servant spiel please.

They didnt sit at a cabinet meeting agreeing on implementing those restrictions!

Yurt2

TCDStudent1 wrote: »

Isn't he retired now? So I dont see how there could be any repercussions for him? Might have been different if he was still there.

Although he is an extremely well respected journalist, he has done his name no favours. He was quite open that you might see him in a contracting capacity on RTE at some stage.

As much as I like him as a broadcaster, I don't think I'd have the stomach for him on the airwaves in the near future.

MayoAreMagic

Cute Hoor wrote: »

This is challenging.

Do you see any difference between somebody who is making the rules
i.e. Dara Calleary breaking them (i.e. Dara Calleary breaking them by attending an indoor function with 81 people) and some ordinary gobsh1te who happens to walk within 1.5m of somebody.

Would you see any difference between those 2 incidents atall atall

I understand the difference, but i never stated that all rules are the same, so i dont see how that is relevant. I also understand that they dont ramp up the punishments for certain people just because they helped write the rule, in a civilised society. You seem to think that is ok. It isnt.

My point is there were 81 people in the room, they havent all lost their jobs. Plenty more than him work in the public sector. This was the argument put forward but it is bs. We need to realise that to move forward in an objective manner.

People are zooming in on calleary, probably because im from mayo, but that isnt my gripe. Ive never voted for the man.

MayoAreMagic

TCDStudent1 wrote: »

They didnt sit at a cabinet meeting agreeing on implementing those restrictions!

So what?
Do you think hogan, dc etc deliberately invited all these people and sat back laughing wildly afterwards?
They are just people, the same as you and I. It is clear they didnt expect so many people to be at the thing and just got caught on the spot.

TCDStudent1

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

So what?

So you think it is acceptable that a member of cabinet agrees to impose restrictions on the general public, and then ignores those same restrictions?

I expect far higher standards of our elected representatives than that.

Lolle06

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

So what?

So what?
That reason couldn’t be any clearer!

Now I am thinking that you are just trolling...

jojofizzio

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

I understand the difference, but i never stated that all rules are the same, so i dont see how that is relevant. I also understand that they dont ramp up the punishments for certain people just because they helped write the rule, in a civilised society. You seem to think that is ok. It isnt.

My point is there were 81 people in the room, they havent all lost their jobsI] Plenty more than him work in the public sector. This was the argument put forward but it is bs. We need to realise that to move forward in an objective manner.

People are zooming in on calleary, probably because im from mayo, but that isnt my gripe. Ive never voted for the man.

Nobody lost their job...two people resigned from extra responsibilities they had,they are still sitting TD and senator respectively,so are still employed public servants

Higgins5473

maestroamado wrote: »

There is very little being said about Sean O'Rourke.
Until a few weeeks he was one of RTE's most senior journalist.
Was he not compromised but being part of this club?
It is possible that he only became member after he retired?
Surely RTE should not have allowed this... impartial journalism...

He tweeted yesterday that he was completely in the wrong. Not a whole else that can be said as he’s retired.

https://twitter.com/OrourkeseanSean/status/1296817100397457411?s=20

https://twitter.com/OrourkeseanSean/status/1296817103182471169?s=20


In an interview I heard with him shortly after his retirement he hinted that he would stay in work in some capacity, making one off programmes, nice handy nixers for decent money from his pals in RTÉ. Be interesting to see if this happens now, I’d say it will when the dust settles. As an aside In his interview he came across as a right egotistical arrogant prick. It was the first time I’d ever heard an interview with him which was about him. Used to like or have respect for him up until that interview. No surprise to me now that he was at that rubbing shoulders with his FG pals.

jojofizzio

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

So what?
Do you think hogan, dc etc deliberately invited all these people and sat back laughing wildly afterwards?
They are just people, the same as you and I. It is clear they didnt expect so many people to be at the thing and just got caught on the spot.

Was there not a table plan published that accounted for 80+people?
If so,they clearly were expecting more than 50 attendees

eggy81

boardise wrote: »

Well said. It's understandable that there is much bottled up annoyance and frustration among the public which is being hypervented now . But openly sneering at everything government speakers say , trying to pick holes in their statements and spitting vile abuse at them puts us in a very bad place. It's the virus , not government , that has caused the acute problems that some are experiencing. The same can be seen happening in most other developed countries. there's no virus handbook and experts flounder and disagree.
Hopefully -despite the efforts of the media to fuel the fire- people will calm down . Politicians come from our own communities. -they are not the devil incarnate. Government and people need to co-operate or we're sunk.

This virus has proven a distraction from all the other stuff that was in complete chaos before it came along. Wait until this virus has ended and the realisation that the housing crisis, health crisis and all the public spending issue around the hospital coupled with an impending recession become the new reality. Id not want to be in government to deal with the next few years tbh.

Fann Linn

Higgins5473 wrote: »

He tweeted yesterday that he was completely in the wrong. Not a whole else that can be said as he’s retired.

https://twitter.com/OrourkeseanSean/status/1296817100397457411?s=20

https://twitter.com/OrourkeseanSean/status/1296817103182471169?s=20


In an interview I heard with him shortly after his retirement he hinted that he would stay in work in some capacity, making one off programmes, nice handy nixers for decent money from his pals in RTÉ. Be interesting to see if this happens now, I’d say it will when the dust settles. As an aside In his interview he came across as a right egotistical arrogant prick. It was the first time I’d ever heard an interview with him which was about him. Used to like or have respect for him up until that interview. No surprise to me now that he was at that rubbing shoulders with his FG pals.

Isn't he married to a blue shirt?

lawrencesummers

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

Any teachers or guards at the dinner? Any public servants? No mention of them? No resignations there? How strange. We both know that you arent telling the full story there so maybe spare the public servant spiel please.

So nobody should be held to account unless everyone is held to account?

Cute Hoor

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

I understand the difference

Good

MayoAreMagic

jojofizzio wrote: »

Was there not a table plan published that accounted for 80+people?
If so,they clearly were expecting more than 50 attendees

It was spread across 2 rooms though. These rules are only after being written. It is feasible that they could have believed that that was within the rules. There is a lot of that kind of thing going on with pubs etc. It isnt clearcut and I think that soneone could have attended under the belief that they were within the rules

lawrencesummers

Higgins5473 wrote: »

He tweeted yesterday that he was completely in the wrong. Not a whole else that can be said as he’s retired.

https://twitter.com/OrourkeseanSean/status/1296817100397457411?s=20

https://twitter.com/OrourkeseanSean/status/1296817103182471169?s=20


In an interview I heard with him shortly after his retirement he hinted that he would stay in work in some capacity, making one off programmes, nice handy nixers for decent money from his pals in RTÉ. Be interesting to see if this happens now, I’d say it will when the dust settles. As an aside In his interview he came across as a right egotistical arrogant prick. It was the first time I’d ever heard an interview with him which was about him. Used to like or have respect for him up until that interview. No surprise to me now that he was at that rubbing shoulders with his FG pals.

Am I the only one who thinks a journalist shouldn’t be socialising with politicians and judges? That a journalist shouldn’t accept that invite in the first place?

Higgins5473

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

It is clear they didnt expect so many people to be at the thing and just got caught on the spot.

If you got caught on the spot today while walking into a dinner you had planned and a large crowd of 80 as you entered the room what would you, or anyone with an ounce of sense that intended to adhere to guidelines? You turn around and walk out...it’s very simple.

Maybe even go and get yourself a chipper if starvation was kicking in, which is likely to be the next excuse from one of them.

Fann Linn

lawrencesummers wrote: »

Am I the only one who thinks a journalist shouldn’t be socialising with politicians and judges? That a journalist shouldn’t accept that invite in the first place?

Agree 100%. However Irish journalists seem to equate career progression with becoming political advisors so no surprise that they all drink from the same trough.

RickDeckard

lawrencesummers wrote: »

I got as far as China.

Big clever witty hardman.

Heartless.

MayoAreMagic

lawrencesummers wrote: »

So nobody should be held to account unless everyone is held to account?

The reason as to why they should lose their jobs was put forward as being due do the fact they are public servants. I pointed out that they werent the only public servants in attendance yet are the only ones losing their jobs. Basically I was showing how that reason is nonsense.

My concern is that is our rush to stuck it to the politicians we lose sight of what is actually important - our recovery from the current situation. Weakening our own government and in particular our force in europe, isnt something to be taken so lightly.

FrancieBrady

Fann Linn wrote: »

Agree 100%. However Irish journalists seem to equate career progression with becoming political advisors so no surprise that they all drink from the same trough.

A good thing to come out of this is the now visible interconnectness of poltics, judiciary, law and media.

O'Rourke is not the first to flirt along a blurry line.

Higgins5473

lawrencesummers wrote: »

Am I the only one who thinks a journalist shouldn’t be socialising with politicians and judges? That a journalist shouldn’t accept that invite in the first place?

Absolutely. It was very clear from his interviews over the years where his political allegiance lay but I didn’t think he was that cosy with them. It was quite surprising he gave Maria Bailey such a grilling, he must’ve got the nod from someone in the party that they wanted rid of her. “You know me Seán....”. You can’t blame her for expecting an easy interview in fairness.

boomshakalaka

FrancieBrady wrote: »

A good thing to come out of this is the now visible interconnectness of poltics, judiciary, law and media.

O'Rourke is not the first to flirt along a blurry line.

I opened all the news sites this morning to compare headlines - tells a story, especially about RTE