Minister for Agriculture attends 81-person golf event in breach of health guidelines

Sir Oxman

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

I find it funny saying we need Hogan in place to work for us. That is not Hogan's job. His job is to represent the EU as evidenced when he was Agri commissioner. I seem to recall Irish farmers very unhappy with the Brazilian deal he signed.

I agree.
recently, he's being pulling on the EU jersey giving 'advice as in I'm not telling you what to do' to Ireland about giving Brussels taxation powers in return for possibly more covid cash.


I wish people could see beyond the 'Irish did well abroad' crap (bar sports)

Bannasidhe

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

I find it funny saying we need Hogan in place to work for us. That is not Hogan's job. His job is to represent the EU as evidenced when he was Agri commissioner. I seem to recall Irish farmers very unhappy with the Brazilian deal he signed.

I agree.

I see no reason we 'need' Hogan there in his well known persona as a bully to represent Irish interests. He certainly has shown no inclination to do so up to now and I fail to see how Ireland's interests are best served on an EU stage by having a man who is 'too important to remove' so can flaunt public health restrictions without repercussions.

TBH I'm just sick to the back teeth of cute hoors being mistaken for shrewd political operators who have the interests of the Irish electorate at heart - they have only their own interests at heart and demonstrate this over and over and over again yet still we are told we 'need' them. We do in our jaxies.

Loafing Oaf

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Leo confirming for me anyhow that there is still more to come on Hogan.

That 'account for his movements in and around Kildare' could become what the next revelations are about.

Or maybe he's hoping there is? If Big Phil has transgressed quarantine regulations in some way or gets caught out in a lie it would provide a justification for Leo and Micheal to go to Ursula and flat out demand his head in a way they don't really have right now.

Mullaghteelin

Sir Oxman wrote: »

Just hearing possibilities discussed on radio.
Maybe garda investiogation, there are fines/jailtime etc for rule breaks etc
I do not know if they apply here.
Then there's viability of a supreme court judge's reputation -> his fellow justices

This is Ireland. There is no way the Gardaí will do anything except have a fake investigation to placate the plebs. The media will take their conclusions as gospel, fail to ask tough questions, and then bury the story.
If, on the other hand, Sinn Féin were in power, I expect the Guards and media will spend every day harassing them.

Ger Roe

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Leo confirming for me anyhow that there is still more to come on Hogan.

That 'account for his movements in and around Kildare' could become what the next revelations are about.

I thought that too. He said it quite deliberately, and almost out of context, several times. The impression I got is that there is more to come from that aspect and that detail will be the smoking gun.

Over to Phil now..... thanks for the late and carefully scripted insincere 'tick the boxes' apology, but there are still questions to be answered.

MrMusician18

Ger Roe wrote: »

I thought that too. He said it quite deliberately, and almost out of context, several times. The impression I got is that there is more to come from that aspect and that detail will be the smoking gun.

Over to Phil now..... thanks for the late and carefully scripted insincere 'tick the boxes' apology, but there are still questions to be answered.

In fairness it wasn't the typical "sorry for the offence caused" non-apology, apology. He did acknowledge his failings, so for a political apology it was unusual.

Sir Oxman

Just in - the EU responding to RTE asking if Hogan will be resigning.
"No".

Muahahaha

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Leo confirming for me anyhow that there is still more to come on Hogan.

That 'account for his movements in and around Kildare' could become what the next revelations are about.

This is key. He was supposed to be self isolating for 14 days, that means not leaving the house, not socialisg,with others, just stay at home.He claims he did this at the K-Club. Now does anyone actually believe that golf mad Phil Hogan had an Arnold Palmer designed golf course on his doorstep at the K-Club but didnt meet up with others and play it over that two weeks? Then the question is who did he play with, the K-Club is a well known favourite of Irelands biggest property developers. Theres more to run here yet.

Loafing Oaf

Mullaghteelin wrote: »

This is Ireland. There is no way the Gardaí will do anything except have a fake investigation to placate the plebs. The media will take their conclusions as gospel, fail to ask tough questions, and then bury the story.
If, on the other hand, Sinn Féin were in power, I expect the Guards and media will spend every day harassing them.

I think you're being overly cynical here. Dara Calleary has had to resign as a minister and is likely finished as a politician. Good chance Hogan and Woulfe will suffer the same fate. To me that's a bigger deal than some slap on the wrist fine for breaching regulations. And don't forget we would never have even heard about this event if it wasn't for the dreaded 'mainstream media'.

Ger Roe

MrMusician18 wrote: »

In fairness it wasn't the typical "sorry for the offence caused" non-apology, apology. He did acknowledge his failings, so for a political apology it was unusual.

Agreed it was carefully crafted and issued once he had time to consider the backlash and see if he could brazen it out. He had a chance before today to do it honestly and honourably.

I stick by my opinion, it's a PR consultant crafted exercise hitting all the expected hot spot points. Insincere ... and designed to answer the growing momentum for him to address his first car crash 'nothing to see here' statement.

Hawthorn Tree

Sir Oxman wrote: »

Just in - the EU responding to RTE asking if Hogan will be resigning.
"No".

It's a priceless story. MM and Leo ask him to go and HE gives our leaders the 2 fingers. The 3 of them look weak.

is_that_so

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

I think you're being overly cynical here. Dara Calleary has had to resign as a minister and is likely finished as a politician. Good chance Hogan and Woulfe will suffer the same fate. To me that's a bigger deal than some slap on the wrist fine for breaching regulations. And don't forget we would never have even heard about this event if it wasn't for the dreaded 'mainstream media'.

Calleary yes, the other two will get to retirement - with Hogan 60 and Woulfe 58. Hogan will also probably get a nice directorship or two when he's done in Europe.

_Kaiser_

Hawthorn Tree wrote: »

It's a priceless story. MM and Leo ask him to go and HE gives our leaders the 2 fingers. The 3 of them look weak.

Did Eamon Ryan (y'know, the third leader of the Government) ever stick his head up on this one? Don't recall seeing anything.

ChikiChiki

Hawthorn Tree wrote: »

It's a priceless story. MM and Leo ask him to go and HE gives our leaders the 2 fingers. The 3 of them look weak.

Hogan doesn't look weak. He has the backing of the EU machine.

It's a different level altogether. Basically the EU and Hogan giving the 2 fingers to all of us.

ShamNNspace

ChikiChiki wrote: »

Hogan doesn't look weak. He has the backing of the EU machine.

It's a different level altogether. Basically the EU and Hogan giving the 2 fingers to all of us.

Hogans stand

Rows Grower

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Did Eamon Ryan (y'know, the third leader of the Government) ever stick his head up on this one? Don't recall seeing anything.

Eamon is worse than any of the other cretins when it comes to trying to cling on to a position, he not only hasn't opened his mouth about this scandal that has made headlines all over the world he has instructed his 11 minions to keep their mouths shut too.

Not a gram of integrity between the dozen of them.

gifted

gifted wrote: »

Not a hope will Hogan fall.....that man was dipped in Teflon when he was born....nothing sticks to him.....I don't think he's losing much sleep over this.

He's still holding on....Martin and varadkar looking like complete idiots now...been outplayed by hogan

Gerry Hatrick

Every minute Hogan hangs on it damages FFG in a huge way. Martin and Varadkar have made their stand on this and if Hogan doesn't go they are made look weak and incapable.

Plumbthedepths

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Did Eamon Ryan (y'know, the third leader of the Government) ever stick his head up on this one? Don't recall seeing anything.

Ryan is still asleep.

Gerry Hatrick

gifted wrote: »

Not a hope will Hogan fall.....that man was dipped in Teflon when he was born....nothing sticks to him.....I don't think he's losing much sleep over this.

Of course he's not losing sleep, you'd need morals for that.

Edgware

Mullaghteelin wrote: »

This is Ireland. There is no way the Gardaí will do anything except have a fake investigation to placate the plebs. The media will take their conclusions as gospel, fail to ask tough questions, and then bury the story.
If, on the other hand, Sinn Féin were in power, I expect the Guards and media will spend every day harassing them.

Thats right. Its all about Sinn Fein

maestroamado

Hawthorn Tree wrote: »

It's a priceless story. MM and Leo ask him to go and HE gives our leaders the 2 fingers. The 3 of them look weak.

They are weak...

ChikiChiki

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Ryan is still asleep.

Last I heard he was seen in the convention centre and the lights have since been switched off and the place locked up.

Wonder has anyone checked if he's there.

Sorolla

It is high time that our government leaders make a broadcast to the nation and apologize unreservedly to the EU commissioner.

The EU commissioner did nothing wrong and he is being victimized because our legislators sent him an invitation to the event in Clifden without any regard for his health and safety

Putting pressure on public figures to attend functions just has to stop.

I know huge pressure is put on our public representatives to go to St Patricks days events all over the world - this pressure has to stop.

Down around my neck of the woods when an old person dies the priest is the first one rang and then the local TDS are rung to inquire when they would be available for the funeral and funeral arrangements are then made to suit the schedule of the TD

This pressure on public representatives had to stop

ExMachina1000

The two separate phone calls made to phil by leo and MM.

They have no authority to demand anything from him. Probably went along the lines of please issue an apology to keep the plebs quiet.

Also I can't see how the golf society trip would have been a secret or not known among others that it was happening. They are all related, married, friends, went to college together etc

Banana republic

Plumbthedepths

Sorolla wrote: »

It is high time that our government leaders make a broadcast to the nation and apologize unreservedly to the EU commissioner.

The EU commissioner did nothing wrong and he is being victimized because our legislators sent him an invitation to the event in Clifden without any regard for his health and safety

Putting pressure on public figures to attend functions just has to stop.

I know huge pressure is put on our public representatives to go to St Patricks days events all over the world - this pressure has to stop.

Down around my neck of the woods when an old person dies the priest is the first one rang and then the local TDS are rung to inquire when they would be available for the funeral and funeral arrangements are then made to suit the schedule of the TD

This pressure on public representatives had to stop

Which of the 'Station House 81' are you?

ExMachina1000

Sorolla wrote: »

It is high time that our government leaders make a broadcast to the nation and apologize unreservedly to the EU commissioner.

The EU commissioner did nothing wrong and he is being victimized because our legislators sent him an invitation to the event in Clifden without any regard for his health and safety

Putting pressure on public figures to attend functions just has to stop.

I know huge pressure is put on our public representatives to go to St Patricks days events all over the world - this pressure has to stop.

Down around my neck of the woods when an old person dies the priest is the first one rang and then the local TDS are rung to inquire when they would be available for the funeral and funeral arrangements are then made to suit the schedule of the TD

This pressure on public representatives had to stop

I say double down on the pressure. Put the collective boot on their necks

stockshares

Sir Oxman wrote: »

Just in - the EU responding to RTE asking if Hogan will be resigning.
"No".

It was Mary Regan who spoke with his rep.
https://twitter.com/MaryERegan/status/1297505056640688129?s=19

Plumbthedepths

stockshares wrote: »

It was Mary Regan who spoke with his rep.
https://twitter.com/MaryERegan/status/1297505056640688129?s=19

He also felt he had nothing to apologise for, that changed too. Just saying.....

ACitizenErased

The EU are afraid a precedent will be set allowing countries to swap and switch commissioners if he’s sacked. He’ll have to resign.