PHIL HOGAN NEEDS TO RESIGN.

LawBoy2018

This was the right call. He undermined both FF & FG by not resigning when MM and LV reported that they felt his position was no longer tenable. He also undermined our public health regulations and, more importantly, gave an already growing far-right movement more ammo to criticise the EU. We can all put the pitchforks away now, there's no need to continue the witch hunt.

Muahahaha

the purple tin wrote: »

On the webinar he said he wasn't going to resign.
Is he jumping or being pushed?

Looks like he is jumping before he gets pushed. von der Leyen has obviously told him you can go with dignity or else be fired, your choice, which will it be.

hotmail.com

And RTE confirm it.

Fann Linn

Muahahaha wrote: »

Looks like he is jumping before he gets pushed. von der Leyen has obviously told him you can go with dignity or else be fired, your choice, which will it be.

Typical Germans. The auld Rommel get out clause.

mick087

jm08 wrote: »

Yes. Otherwise the commission would turn into Healy-Rae style politics on steroids!

They act in the best interests of all EU Member states. Similar to how the Taoiseach should act in the best interests of the country and not just of his party or constituency.

Im not fan of the Healy-Raes but they was democraticly elected by the citizens iof Ireland he is also accountable to the irish citizens.


What is your issue with democracy?

Sir Oxman

LawBoy2018 wrote: »

This was the right call. He undermined both FF & FG by not resigning when MM and LV reported that they felt his position was no longer tenable. He also undermined our public health regulations and, more importantly, gave an already growing far-right movement more ammo to criticise the EU. We can all put the pitchforks away now, there's no need to continue the witch hunt.

If he is resigning, it will be the large amount of lies and blaming everyone else that will have done him in.

100%

Muahahaha

LawBoy2018 wrote: »

This was the right call. He undermined both FF & FG by not resigning when MM and LV reported that they felt his position was no longer tenable. He also undermined our public health regulations and, more importantly, gave an already growing far-right movement more ammo to criticise the EU. We can all put the pitchforks away now, there's no need to continue the witch hunt.

nah lets keep the pitchforks at the ready and now move onto Fine Gael Judge Seamus Wolfe, he needs to go too

Sir Oxman

Gone

https://www.rte.ie/news/politics/2020/0826/1161515-hogan/

mick087

jm08 wrote: »

The same way we the citizens cannot remove Barry Cowen as Min. of Agric, but Michael Martin (who we didn't elect as Taoiseach) can as he appointed him.

They are both elected TDS

There are no Elected MEPS serving as a Commissioner

ninebeanrows

Let's celebrate Ireland losing the trade commissioner in the EU, inthe most important negotiations in decades.

This country has really lost the plot.

We will rue this day unless they are nice to us and allow an Irish to take his place.

Mantis Toboggan

Always knew he was an arrogant arse hole, delighted he's gone!

FrancieBrady

Sleety_Rain wrote: »

Let's celebrate Ireland losing the trade commissioner in the EU, inthe most important negotiations in decades.

This country has really lost the plot.

We will rue this day unless they are nice to us and allow an Irish to take his place.

He made his own bed in fairness...lied to us, several times, lied to V&M and to UVDL...what did he expect?

I Am The Law

Muahahaha wrote: »

nah lets keep the pitchforks at the ready and now move onto Fine Gael Judge Seamus Wolfe, he needs to go too

Unfortunately pitchforks are not much good against arrogance, the ballot will have to resolve that.
#endthegravytrain

is_that_so

mick087 wrote: »

Im not fan of the Healy-Raes but they was democraticly elected by the citizens iof Ireland he is also accountable to the irish citizens.


What is your issue with democracy?

No, the Taoiseach is accountable to the Dail. Once a Taoiseach loses a vote of confidence we may get to vote. If one of that pair were elected Taoiseach it wouldn't be our doing. If you want that to change you need to change Article 13 of the Constitution.

ARTICLE 13

1 1° The President shall, on the nomination of Dáil Éireann, appoint the Taoiseach, that is, the head of the Government or Prime Minister.

murpho999

jm08 wrote: »

The same way we the citizens cannot remove Barry Cowen as Min. of Agric, but Michael Martin (who we didn't elect as Taoiseach) can as he appointed him.

No Taoiseach in the history of the state has been elected directly by the people.

You vote for TDs and that leads to formation of the government and this is voted in by the TDs.

Same government if required nominates a European Commissioner who is then elected by the MEPs that you voted for.

That's how democracy works. TDs and MEPs vote on your behalf.

LawBoy2018

Sleety_Rain wrote: »

Let's celebrate Ireland losing the trade commissioner in the EU, inthe most important negotiations in decades.

This country has really lost the plot.

We will rue this day unless they are nice to us and allow an Irish to take his place.

Why would we rue the day? Ireland's interests = the EU's interests. Do you think Leo V would allow us to get shafted by Brexit + his EU buddies? Use your brain and stop gorging on FG soundbites.

Mantis Toboggan

No sympathy for the man, 300k a year, thankfully that arrogant smirk will be wiped from his face.

I Am The Law

Sleety_Rain wrote: »

Let's celebrate Ireland losing the trade commissioner in the EU, inthe most important negotiations in decades.

This country has really lost the plot.

We will rue this day unless they are nice to us and allow an Irish to take his place.

This country might actually be standing up for itself for once.

JP Liz V1

Sleety_Rain wrote: »

Let's celebrate Ireland losing the trade commissioner in the EU, inthe most important negotiations in decades.

This country has really lost the plot.

We will rue this day unless they are nice to us and allow an Irish to take his place.

We still have Ming and Wallace over there I thought Coveney was dealing with Brexit for us

is_that_so

Mantis Toboggan wrote: »

Always knew he was an arrogant arse hole, delighted he's gone!

Sometimes you need the arse hole in the room!

mick087

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

Nothing would ever be done if everything had to be voted on in every eu country.

I write eu in small letters because it's a kip

No maybe not but such an inportant body as the EU commission needs to be elected not selcted and accountable to its citizens.

Phil Hogan is proving how unaccounable the unleceted President and unelected selected commission are to its citizens.

Plumbthedepths

Muahahaha wrote: »

Looks like he is jumping before he gets pushed. von der Leyen has obviously told him you can go with dignity or else be fired, your choice, which will it be.

The Germans have enormous respect for rules and regulations. They don't look kindly on those that treat same with contempt. As Phil did, plus there's that small matter of telling porkies to his boss.

murpho999

Wonder if he's isolating now?

Sir Oxman

Sleety_Rain wrote: »

Let's celebrate Ireland losing the trade commissioner in the EU, inthe most important negotiations in decades.

This country has really lost the plot.

We will rue this day unless they are nice to us and allow an Irish to take his place.

Well, if his laughable poker face during this GUBU-esque lying charade of his own making is an indicator of his supreme negotiating, persuasive skills...

ninebeanrows

I Am The Law wrote: »

This country might actually be standing up for itself for once.

hahah, seriously? You think losing an Irish Trade commissioner in the EU is good for Ireland?

PH might be a gobshiite but he was still going to bat for Ireland.

People really have lost sight of what is important here and all for a cheap win for the 'the real hard working people of Ireland'.

I hope they are happy when a German or French Trade commissioner takes his place and leans heavy on our low tax economic model.

This government should have left this ride for a week until the next storm and looked out for the medium and long term interests of Ireland and not succumbed to a populist witch hunt

Higgins5473

It’s a times like these I wonder why it’s called a resignation. If I act the bollocks in a job, I get sacked, fired, sh*t canned etc. Anyone of these, but he did not resign. Let’s call a spade a spade, he got sacked.

murpho999

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

The Germans have enormous respect for rules and regulations. They don't look kindly on those that treat same with contempt. As Phil did, plus there's that small matter of telling porkies to this boss.

I really don't think it's a German thing (people always say the same thing about them).

Irish have not accepted the behaviour either as seen in the resignations last week and severe rebukes by Government of Phil Hogan.

I think it's presure from Irlsh government that has been key here rather than a 'German' attitude.

quartz1

Nobody to blame except himself .......an idiot to make the mistakes and a bigger idiot to be too arrogant to apologise .

Fann Linn

I've a bit more respect for the EU after this. Almost thought he was going to get a 'get out of jail card' for a while.

mick087

Podge_irl wrote: »

Technically you have no power to remove a Taoiseach either.

The Taoiseach is an elected TD

The EU president is not an elected MEP

Democratically he can be removed from office
DemocraticallyThe EU president canot be removed from office.