PHIL HOGAN NEEDS TO RESIGN.

Hawthorn Tree

walshb wrote: »

So, we agree..

They can use discretion ..

Super!!!

Admit you made up the several people bull****. Pathetic.

Beechwoodspark

Gerry Adams for commissioner?

stockshares

Deleted User wrote: »

I’m one of those , I see my mother through Perspex every few weeks , I also did lockdown completely alone along with thousands of others, missed trips abroad to see my only 2 kids. But i do NOT think Phil Hogan should have had to resign over this! He was wrong, he should have been sanctioned but that’s it.

We are incredibly small minded in this country. “Ive suffered so everyone else has to“ , people baying for blood when they barely know what the EU Trade commissioner does. The media also have a lot to answer for, Newstalk in particular , apart from Pat Kenny morning who sounded quite disturbed at the level of hostility in people.

Calling a poster a lackey for having an opinion that is different to yours is another example of the ****show of social media, cowards behind keyboards baying for blood.

I don’t like Phil Hogan but I don’t think he should have been witchhunted out of his job, we should have been proud to have had an Irishman as EU trade commissioner, we needed him there, but the “we’ve all suffered brigade “ won out.

Proud to have an Irishman as EU Commissioner regardless of what ethics he has.

Compulsively lying and taking no responsibility.

Once it's dressed up in green everything's fine.

He was indispensable this morning and now they have 10 or more ready to take his place

I don't call anyone who disagrees with me a lackey. I call anyone who supported Phil Hogan staying on in these circumstances a Lackey because they choose to ignore the facts to support their man.

It was obvious he had to go. The same for Woulfe and Hayes and the others.

Tinytemper

In serious and troubled times like these, I think it's important to keep focused on keeping everyone's spirits up, to not dwell on the dark stuff and bring some light into people's days. With that in mind, I hope you all can join me in laughing your hole off at Phil Hogan and his supporters. :pac:

Dual wheels

seligehgit wrote: »

Mairead McGuinness is IMO the outstanding candidate but busy in her current role.

Richard Bruton

Enda Kenny

Leo can see he'll have another crack at Taoiseach in the not too distant future.

Can't think of any obvious Fianna Fail candidates?

How about jim o Callaghan or mad mcsharry?
I don’t think Enda would be bothered
Mcguinness it would be a step down for her as first VP of parliament
I think Bruton would be a good option

First Up

Beechwoodspark wrote:

Anyone??

That wasn't his job. He worked for the EU.

Beechwoodspark

First Up wrote: »

That wasn't his job. He worked for the EU.

Exactly first

That’s my point

caveat emptor

sportsmaddad wrote: »

One thing that seems to have gotten lost in all of this is the Mercosur deal. General consensus in Ireland was that this was an incredibly bad deal for Europe on many counts. Signed off by Mr Hogan. So much for the theory that we've lost a great negotiator on our behalf with Brexit loomimg.

They say big Mick signed his death warrant when he signed the treaty. Big Phil may have done the same when he signed the Mercosur deal.

deisedevil

road_high wrote: »

Barry Andrews says “it’s unlikely” ireland will hold trade portfolio- no **** Sherlocks.
But thank god we are holier than thou and virtuous.

Lets go back to the days where our politicians feel they are above the law and the rules don't apply to them then, would that be better? Our politicians, particularly our longest serving politicians, need to be held to account and a message sent out to our future politicians and those in senior positions in this country that they cannot carry on like they have in the past. Those days are gone and our future politicians will need to be more honest. Fair play to Martin and Varadkar for not letting it go. This is better for our country in the long run I think.

walshb

Hawthorn Tree wrote: »

Admit you made up the several people bull****. Pathetic.

Are you still carrying this on?

We already agreed on my claim..Gardai can use discretion..

Apollinaris

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Anyone??

Zero. Nil. Nada.

People are banging about Ireland losing someone important due to brex**** negotiations. Are we really?

Plumbthedepths

TallyRand wrote: »

Say a prayer he doesn’t catch you, of course he will do you for the phone. No exceptions or discretion

Can't catch me doing something I wouldn't dream of doing. Plus I have a Bluetooth device in the car. Not that expensive, cheaper than 80 euro and a 3 point fine.

road_high

walshb wrote: »

Do you really believe the govt lost his confidence?

Leo snd Martin simply bowing to the mob...nothing more!!!

Varadkar in particular is led completely by the baying mobs on social media. He spends his life on it and virtually everything he does (which isn’t very much) is all for social media consumption and image cultivation. Was no surprise to see him lead with the pitchforks after he’d gauged the wind of the mobs

normanoffside

Sleety_Rain wrote: »

If anything this saga is exposing Ireland ludicrous Covid rules particularly with regard to inter EU travel.

Hopefully EU recognise this and put pressure on our government to reform this.

Also people seem to forget that MM was rocking around after his trip to Brussels recently

People seriously need to look at bigger picture here and not get blinkered by their hate for Hogan and the establishment

Quoting this again for posterity.
This is simply a case of an incompetent government trying to give legitimacy to their stupid and senseless rules and 'guidelines'.
They are shooting themselves in the foot to try to make themselves look serious.

ninebeanrows

If Ireland lose the trade portfolio it will be the next failure of this government

They seem to care more about what the angry mob on Twitter and Joe Duffy think than the greater good of Irish society

The future looks bleak for this country

If Trump wins a 2nd term and calls home his multi nationals It will be the final nail

whodafunk

Good riddance. Cut his fat pension now

Cilldara_2000

deisedevil wrote: »

Lets go back to the days where our politicians feel they are above the law and the rules don't apply to them then, would that be better? Our politicians, particularly our longest serving politicians, need to be held to account and a message sent out to our future politicians and those in senior positions in this country that they cannot carry on like they have in the past. Those days are gone and our future politicians will need to be more honest. Fair play to Martin and Varadkar for not letting it go. This is better for our country in the long run I think.

This might make sense if the same politicians didn't keep getting elected time and again. It seems that those with the power to sack TDs don't often use that power to punish these "long serving politicians".

is_that_so

Dual wheels wrote: »

How about jim o Callaghan or mad mcsharry?
I don’t think Enda would be bothered
Mcguinness it would be a step down for her as first VP of parliament
I think Bruton would be a good option

Kenny is 69 & Bruton is 67. O'Callaghan is doing some FF rebuilding but not really experienced enough. They may look elsewhere.

aido79

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Gerry Adams for commissioner?

He's more of a decommissioner.

First Up

Beechwoodspark wrote:

Exactly first

You are criticising him for doing his job?

road_high

Sleety_Rain wrote: »

If Ireland lose the trade portfolio it will be the next failure of this government

They seem to care more about what the angry mob on Twitter and Joe Duffy think than the greater good of Irish society

The future looks bleak for this country

If Trump wins a 2nd term and calls home his multi nationals It will be the final nail

If?! We’ve lost it and gave it up willingly in a spectacular case of small minded petty foot shooting of which we are famed for.

Beechwoodspark

If you were being coldly rational

Adams is the first choice for next commissioner

He terrifies the British

He is head and shoulders over the rest of the Irish political class.

Zebra3

Cilldara_2000 wrote: »

"One of your own"? Phil Hogan is not one of mine. Are you assuming that I am a blueshirt merely because I think it's bat**** insane that we lose the trade commissioner during an incredibly important time?

It may surprise you that people can look at the country's interest other than through a party political lens.

I look forward to your concern then for SF or socialist politicians when the "witch hunt" is directed at them.

And nobody has given any evidence that this is against the country's interest.

Mantis Toboggan

Phils problem was he thought he was smarter than everyone else. He smirked his way though the interview last night. Thought he could lie to our face and all would be OK.

Sir Oxman

walshb wrote: »

Do you really believe the govt lost his confidence?

Leo snd Martin simply bowing to the mob...nothing more!!!

No, he lost their confidence because they were aware he lied by Saturday evening.
At the strategic time where he would not account for his movements (ie, he knew that they knew)
Where it is vital to bring the people with them as they try to cope with unprecedented times.


His own actions caused his own downfall - his own subsequent actions 99% responsible for him going.

It is not debatable really, given the facts.

FrancieBrady

is_that_so wrote: »

Kenny is 69 & Bruton is 67. O'Callaghan is doing some FF rebuilding but not really experienced enough. They may look elsewhere.

Lucinda Creighton was talking about a highly thought of Civil Servant, can't think of his name.

I think give it to Coveney, I'm sure his mastery of the Brexit brief has yurned a few heads.

road_high

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

If you were being coldly rational

Adams is the first choice for next commissioner

He terrifies the British

He is head and shoulders over the rest of the Irish political class.

Yea, just a pity he’s thick as two short planks and has a primary school grasp of trade and anything economic

Jinglejangle69

Sleety_Rain wrote: »

If Ireland lose the trade portfolio it will be the next failure of this government

They seem to care more about what the angry mob on Twitter and Joe Duffy think than the greater good of Irish society

The future looks bleak for this country

If Trump wins a 2nd term and calls home his multi nationals It will be the final nail

But sure all we have to do is tax the multinationals hugely and we will all be riding the pigs back.

Oh wait....

aido79

Cilldara_2000 wrote: »

This might make sense if the same politicians didn't keep getting elected time and again. It seems that those with the power to sack TDs don't often use that power to punish these "long serving politicians".

What's that got to do with this thread?

Hawthorn Tree

walshb wrote: »

Are you still carrying this on?

We already agreed on my claim..Gardai can use discretion..

Are you 7? Have some honour.

An Ri Rua said

I'm one of those whose only points came from being caught on a mobile phone. I paid the fine, (even though the Garda bagsed up my name on the summons), paid higher insurance also, for 3-4 years. He got caught is the point, and was let off on that substantive issue

You replied.

And Gardai have discretion here..
I know several people who were treated the same..

I say you made it up to make a stupid point. You do not know several people who were caught on a mobile phone and did not get a fine/points. You do not know one single person I bet.