PHIL HOGAN NEEDS TO RESIGN.

walshb

Psychiatric Patrick wrote: »

I think you are out of proportion

Okey doke, Paddy!!!

Happydays2020

The following may interest in terms of process:


Vice-President Kristalina Georgieva, responsible for Budget and Human Resources, has informed European Commission President Juncker of her decision to resign from her post as Member of the European Commission in order to take up a new responsibility, as of 2 January 2017, as Chief Executive Officer (CEO) of the International Bank for Reconstruction and Development (IBRD) and the International Development Association (IDA), known collectively as the World Bank.

President Jean-Claude Juncker said: "It is with great regret that I have accepted Kristalina Georgieva's decision to resign from the European Commission. The fact that she has been asked to take a leading role in the World Bank is an acknowledgment and recognition of Kristalina Georgieva's many talents and her professionalism. I sincerely congratulate her on this new role. Kristalina Georgieva has been an excellent Vice-President during the first two years of the Commission which I have the honour to preside. I have always been glad to rely on her determination to deliver, her strategic advice and her friendship. Kristalina Georgieva is an experienced politician for whom I have great respect and I want to thank her for her loyal and committed work as Vice-President of the European Commission. She will be greatly missed.

The work of the European Commission must go on. I have therefore asked Günther H. Oettinger, Commissioner responsible for Digital Economy and Society, to succeed Kristalina Georgieva in her portfolio. After the current Vice-Presidents, Günther H. Oettinger is the first Commissioner in seniority and protocol order in the Commission. Having been Minister President of Baden-Württemberg, one of the biggest Länder in Germany, and Vice-President in the previous European Commission, he can rely on extensive political experience and a good network of contacts in the European Parliament, the Member States and in Europe's regions. I have therefore full confidence in his professionalism, capacity and expertise to assume this new responsibility."

In line with the Interinstitutional Framework Agreement on relations between the European Parliament and the European Commission, President Juncker has informed Martin Schulz, President of the European Parliament, of Kristalina Georgieva's resignation and of his intention to transfer her portfolio to Günther H. Oettinger. This should allow for the relevant parliamentary consultation to take place (paragraph 7 of the Interinstitutional Framework Agreement). Kristalina Georgieva's resignation will take effect at the latest on 31 December 2016 (midnight), depending notably on the development of the ongoing budgetary negotiations. Until then, President Juncker has asked Vice-President Georgieva to work closely with Günther H. Oettinger in order to allow for an orderly transition of responsibilities and the portfolio.

As regards the vacancy caused by the resignation of Kristalina Georgieva in the European Commission, Article 246 of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union (TFEU) stipulates that this vacancy shall be filled for the remainder of her term of office by a Member of Bulgarian nationality, appointed by the Council, by common accord with the President of the Commission and after consulting the European Parliament. President Juncker stands ready to discuss swiftly with the Bulgarian Prime Minister Boyko Borissov potential names for a new Commissioner of Bulgarian nationality as well as the allocation of a possible portfolio.

Article 17(3) of the Treaty on European Union provides that Commissioners shall be chosen on the ground of their general competence and European commitment from persons whose independence is beyond doubt. Procedurally, the appointment of a new Commissioner of Bulgarian nationality requires common accord between the President of the Commission and the Council of Ministers after the consultation of the European Parliament (Article 246, subparagraph 2 of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union). In addition, the Interinstitutional Framework Agreement on relations between the European Parliament and the European Commission requires the President of the Commission to “seriously consider” the results of the consultation of the European Parliament before giving his accord to the decision of the Council to appoint the new Commissioner (paragraph 6 of the Framework Agreement).



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Extracts from the relevant legal texts



Extract of the relevant provision from the Framework Agreement on relations between the European Parliament and the European Commission:



PART II. POLITICAL RESPONSIBILITY – paragraph 7

(7) If the President of the Commission intends to reshuffle the allocation of responsibilities amongst the Members of the Commission during its term of office, pursuant to Article 248 TFEU, he/she shall inform Parliament in due time for the relevant parliamentary consultation with regard to those changes. The President's decision to reshuffle the portfolios can take effect immediately.



PART II. POLITICAL RESPONSIBILITY – paragraph 6

(6) Where it becomes necessary to arrange for the replacement of a Member of the Commission during his/her term of office pursuant to the second paragraph of Article 246 TFEU, the President of the Commission will seriously consider the result of Parliament's consultation before giving accord to the decision of the Council.

Parliament shall ensure that its procedures are conducted with the utmost dispatch, in order to enable the President of the Commission to seriously consider Parliament's opinion before the new Member is appointed.

Similarly, pursuant to the third paragraph of Article 246 TFEU, when the remainder of the Commission's term of office is short, the President of the Commission will seriously consider Parliament's position.



Article 246 of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union, subparagraph 2

(…)

A vacancy caused by resignation, compulsory retirement or death shall be filled for the remainder of the Member's term of office by a new Member of the same nationality appointed by the Council, by common accord with the President of the Commission, after consulting the European Parliament and in accordance with the criteria set out in the second subparagraph of Article 17(3) of the Treaty on European Union.

(…)



Article 17 of the Treaty on European Union, paragraph 3

3. (…)

The members of the Commission shall be chosen on the ground of their general competence and European commitment from persons whose independence is beyond doubt.

In carrying out its responsibilities, the Commission shall be completely independent. Without prejudice to Article 18(2), the members of the Commission shall neither seek nor take instructions from any Government or other institution, body, office or entity. They shall refrain from any action incompatible with their duties or the performance of their tasks.

Lundstram

Sorolla wrote: »

Ireland has lost a great friend

:rolleyes:

buried

buried wrote: »

Why do you think that W? I don't think it was blown out of proportion at all, the entire country has been on strict lockdown since March, adhering to every sort of guideline they were told to, and all the pain and hurt and sorrow that has caused. Then you have these 81 doing whatever they want to, some of them the main draftees of the lock. The rage is real. You have Big Phil then coming out with more fairy stories than the brothers Grimm in order to save his neck thinking he is above everyone else. If that lad stayed in his position, the next protest against the lockdown in Dublin wouldn't just have a couple of hundred people outside the custom house, it would have had a a good couple of thousand on the streets, and half of them would have lit up the gaff. Hogan had to go, and it was all his own doing.

Ah here, don't overstate your case. Plenty of idiots breaking the rules, not just the SF lads attending the convention centre and the funeral either, but day to day rule breaking is commonplace. Doesn't make it right but stop with the martyrism.

ninebeanrows

We really scored an own goal here and for what?

This whole golf gate saga was just used as a scapegoat for peoples anger, pain and frustration.

Peoples outrage at this had nothing to do with golfgate.

It is anger at Covid, an anger at the mismanagement of the response, particularly our delayed reopening of society which is a result of a dithering and indecisive government

Golfgate is not the reason the nursing homes got overrun, nor is it the reason you had to watch your grandads funeral on a webcam or didnt get to hold your dying moms hand.

Covid caused that and the tardy reaction of our government and obsession with taking advice from extremely cautious medical circles.

We need to wake the fcuk up and tackle the real issues or else we will never get over this. Tonight shows we are still in the hysterical, self damaging phase of this crisis, we need to move on quick

aido79

appledrop wrote: »

3 times in the interview he says I broke no law.

Even in defeat he won't give up on fact that he thinks he has done no wrong.

What law did he break? Being on the phone while driving?

walshb

hierro wrote: »

Agreeing with this post as walshb has had many challange them on this, especially by posters who appear to have legal and procedural knowledge.

Gardaí have discretion. Always have had and it is refered to in the code of ethics. The matter has been well trashed out on the Legal Forum (can't find the thread), specifically by a poster named GM228.

There are references to GSOC decisions on other forums too.

Yep

Article in the Irish Times today explains it, as well as the Taoiseach mentioning it a day or so ago..

And I know of cases where discretion was used...

Sorolla

L1011 wrote: »

He was still required to self-quarantine.

He read an article about an entirely different scenario and convinced himself it applied; and tripled down when it was pointed out that he was wrong. All contributing to why he had to go.

OK - I stand corrected.

I think I might also have misinterpreted the text as well.

I wonder how many visitors to Ireland have broken the Covid restrictions

Some visitors returning to Ireland are forced by their Mammys to visit Auntie Bridie and then auntie Maura and then uncle Mick

The Irish Mammy has a lot to answer for

Psychiatric Patrick

gmisk wrote: »

It has been made clear that in the event of Mr Hogan's resignation, or sacking by Ursula von der Leyen, the EU Commission president, Fine Gael will retain the right to nominate his successor. So yeah it will be someone Irish.

Simon Coveney is the favourite seemingly he has a good relationship with Barnier already which would help.

When was that said?

A lot of people on here claiming expert knowledge of how things in the EU worked were crying into their pillows that "we" needed Hogan in then or it would be the end of days

Fann Linn

Sleety_Rain wrote: »

We really scored an own goal here and for what?

This whole golf gate saga was just used as a scapegoat for peoples anger, pain and frustration.

Peoples outrage at this had nothing to do with golfgate.

It is anger at Covid, an anger at the mismanagement of the response, particularly our delayed reopening of society which is a result of a dithering and indecisive government

Golfgate is not the reason the nursing homes got overrun, nor is it the reason you had to watch your grandads funeral on a webcam or didnt get to hold your dying moms hand.

Covid caused that and the tardy reaction of our government and obsession with taking advice from extremely cautious medical circles.

We need to wake the fcuk up and tackle the real issues or else we will never get over this. Tonight shows we are still in the hysterical, self damaging phase of this crisis, we need to move on quick

7 paragraphs and you never once mentioned Hogan's lies. You blamed everyone else.

Psychiatric Patrick

Fann Linn wrote: »

7 paragraphs and you never once mentioned Hogan's lies. You blamed everyone else.

Yes all the Hogan's Heroes are doing it now. Blaming others is lovely

jm08

Happydays2020 wrote: »

Yes. But they were told they were not keeping the VP job. Kristalina Georgieva is a heavy hitter (now head of the IMF) and the only one standing up to Martin Selmayr.

She resigned from the European Commission about 3 years ago (since worked for both World Bank and IMF). I don't know how she was standing up to Selmayr by resigning. Selmayr had to resign when Ursula was appointed President of the Commission because it is not allowed to have the Director-General and Commission President from the same country (in this case Germany). Selmayr is now EU Rep. in Austria.

gooseygander

Great opening now for Ming the Y front wearing warrior to take up the reigns for this country aided by Wild Willie (Mick) Wallace and Claire (aeroplane hugger) Daly. We have some team in Europe alright. Jesus Wept.

buried

Deleted User wrote: »

Ah here, don't overstate your case. Plenty of idiots breaking the rules, not just the SF lads attending the convention centre and the funeral either, but day to day rule breaking is commonplace. Doesn't make it right but stop with the martyrism.

Everyone I know has been adhering to the rules Harvey so don't give me that "but but but SF went to a funeral" wollix, I dont know anyone who went to a SF or Garda funeral en masse, my Dad couldn't see his first newborn Grandchild for over three months, I know people couldn't go to family funerals, all because of the guidelines they were adhering to, I still adhere to them. The majority of people I know are. So go take that "but but but" noise out my face.

If you know of rules being broken being commonplace fair enough, but I bet those who are doing it aren't on 200,000 euro pensions and salaries being paid by you and me

ninebeanrows

Fann Linn wrote: »

7 paragraphs and you never once mentioned Hogan's lies. You blamed everyone else.

I'm not sure of the lies. I know that all the advice given is advice and not law. The only law is that you must fill in a form on arrival.

There was no law broken. He failed to adhere to health advice apparently by his own lapse or misunderstanding? That was my impression. Health advice does not equal law.

Sleety_Rain

Sleety_Rain wrote: »

We need to wake the fcuk up and tackle the real issues or else we will never get over this. Tonight shows we are still in the hysterical, self damaging phase of this crisis, we need to move on quick

The hysteria pre-dates covid imo. It's like the 4 years of Trump in office have infected the civil discourse here as well.

gmisk

Psychiatric Patrick wrote: »

When was that said?

A lot of people on here claiming expert knowledge of how things in the EU worked were crying into their pillows that "we" needed Hogan in then or it would be the end of days

That is taken from the examiner, the Irish times and multiple other papers are saying the same.

jm08

gmisk wrote: »

It has been made clear that in the event of Mr Hogan's resignation, or sacking by Ursula von der Leyen, the EU Commission president, Fine Gael will retain the right to nominate his successor. So yeah it will be someone Irish.

Simon Coveney is the favourite seemingly he has a good relationship with Barnier already which would help.

That does not mean that the Irish nominee will get the Trade Portfolio. Catherine Day (former Secretary General of the European Commission) is now being mentioned. She would actually be an excellent choice. Mairead McGuinness is also mentioned now.

Happydays2020

jm08 wrote: »

She resigned from the European Commission about 3 years ago (since worked for both World Bank and IMF). I don't know how she was standing up to Selmayr by resigning. Selmayr had to resign when Ursula was appointed President of the Commission because it is not allowed to have the Director-General and Commission President from the same country (in this case Germany). Selmayr is now EU Rep. in Austria.

Do some google searches and you will find out about the relationship between her and Selmayr. He is gone for now but will be back.

But that was not the thrust of my post. We have no entitlement to the Trade post and they will reshuffle if it suits them especially as we forced the Commission’s hand on this.

buried

buried wrote: »

Everyone I know has been adhering to the rules Harvey so don't give me that "but but but SF went to a funeral" wollix, I dont know anyone who went to a SF or Garda funeral en masse, my Dad couldn't see his first newborn Grandchild for over three months, I know people couldn't go to family funerals, all because of the guidelines they were adhering to, I still adhere to them. The majority of people I know are. So go take that "but but but" noise out my face.

Even the way you have the use the word "majority" shows you accept people are breaking the rules. Rule breaking is commonplace, maybe not in your circle but it's definitely happening.

gmisk

gooseygander wrote: »

Great opening now for Ming the Y front wearing warrior to take up the reigns for this country aided by Wild Willie (Mick) Wallace and Claire (aeroplane hugger) Daly. We have some team in Europe alright. Jesus Wept.

Well I'd prefer them to that "do you remember the 90s" former Rose of tralee twit....lol.

I am guessing if FG send a minister it will trigger a by-election? Not sure they would want that.

fly_agaric

buried wrote: »

If that lad stayed in his position, the next protest against the lockdown in Dublin wouldn't just have a couple of hundred people outside the custom house, it would have had a a good couple of thousand on the streets, and half of them would have lit up the gaff.

Do you think so? Seems somewhat excessive even for the levels of rage sometimes displayed on this thread...no?
I'd hope not anyway.

L1011

L1011 wrote: »

Sending Coveney causes a BE. As I was just reminded over in Politics, Coveney's running mate for the last three elections (four with Clune) was Buttimer.

They'd just be handing a seat to SF. There's no obvious FG or FF candidate and the other parties bar are very weak there. If FG can find another Barry family member they might get somewhere but its unlikely; Boyle won't make it after whats happened to the Greens since February.

If they really want the Trade portfolio they might be able to persuade the EU with Kenny. Can't see any other realistic compromise option they and FF would take. FF will feel impotent if they can't get a candidate through. Maybe Lisa Chambers??? (insert multiple laughing emojis).

buried

Deleted User wrote: »

Even the way you have the use the word "majority" shows you accept people are breaking the rules. Rule breaking is commonplace, maybe not in your circle but it's definitely happening.

But are these people the ones who wrote the rules? Are these people being paid multiple gold plated pensions and salaries by the Irish people to make the rules they expect everyone else to adhere to?

Itssoeasy

So any idea of runners and riders so to speak to replace Phil hogan as our EU commissioner ? I’m assuming it’ll be if not a political person, it will be someone of either the FF or FG gene pool.

ninebeanrows

appledrop wrote: »

3 times in the interview he says I broke no law.

Even in defeat he won't give up on fact that he thinks he has done no wrong.

What law did he break? He was cautioned for using his mobile phone while driving ?

stockshares

Sleety_Rain wrote: »

I'm not sure of the lies. I know that all the advice given is advice and not law. The only law is that you must fill in a form on arrival.

There was no law broken. He failed to adhere to health advice apparently by his own lapse or misunderstanding? That was my impression. Health advice does not equal law.

So let's all do what we want.

buried

fly_agaric wrote: »

Do you think so? Seems somewhat excessive even for the levels of rage sometimes displayed on this thread...no?
I'd hope not anyway.

I do fly, because it just would have gone on and on and on. I don't want to see it happen either but I wager it definitely would have. These anti lockdown protests have been garnering more people since the forty outside the four-courts back in April. The next one would have been huge numbers if Hogan had stayed, and we would have all seen some real trouble.

jm08

buried wrote: »

Everyone I know has been adhering to the rules Harvey so don't give me that "but but but SF went to a funeral" wollix, I dont know anyone who went to a SF or Garda funeral en masse, my Dad couldn't see his first newborn Grandchild for over three months, I know people couldn't go to family funerals, all because of the guidelines they were adhering to, I still adhere to them. The majority of people I know are. So go take that "but but but" noise out my face.

If you know of rules being broken being commonplace fair enough, but I bet those who are doing it aren't on 200,000 euro pensions and salaries being paid by you and me

The rules were relaxed though. No one was allowed attend a funeral of someone who died from Covid 3 months ago. No one was allowed play golf. No one could have a meal in a restaurant. Three months ago we were being told that masks were useless (actually we would be better off not wearing them), now that advice is different. If scientists/medics knew 3 months ago what we know now, things would more than likely have been a lot less restrictive.

buried

buried wrote: »

But are these people the ones who wrote the rules? Are these people being paid multiple gold plated pensions and salaries by the Irish people to make the rules they expect everyone else to adhere to?

All I asked that you eased up on the martyrdom, not that rule breaking doesn't matter.