PHIL HOGAN NEEDS TO RESIGN.

~Rebel~

Psychiatric Patrick wrote: »

He was there.

He long list of lies and disregard for Irish people is readily available on line

Now... who is the next "poor lamb" to the slaughter?

If you were invited to a government event purely as a guest would you start demanding to get the detailed logistics of said event, or take it at face value. Honestly, I'd probably have done the latter.

The blame hangs with the organisers, I have trouble vilifying guests too much.

lucernarian

markodaly wrote: »

Bit of an own goal but the mob had to be appeased. Damaging for Brexit for sure, especially the farmers, in fact Justin McCarthy from the Irish Farmers Journal called this a disaster.
Cutting off your nose in spite your face.

The Irish Farmers Journal, never a hurler on the fence talking about ****e they don't have a clue about. Weren't so yappy when he was looking for the WTO job...

markodaly

lucernarian wrote: »

The Irish Farmers Journal, never a hurler on the fence talking about ****e they don't have a clue about. Weren't so yappy when he was looking for the WTO job...

Having someone on your side in the WTO job would be of benefit to Ireland.

lucernarian

markodaly wrote: »

Having someone on your side in the WTO job would be of benefit to Ireland.

Just like Peter Sutherland was, LOL

markodaly

markodaly wrote: »

Bit of an own goal but the mob had to be appeased. Damaging for Brexit for sure, especially the farmers, in fact Justin McCarthy from the Irish Farmers Journal called this a disaster.
Cutting off your nose in spite your face.

You are surely aware he signed off on the Mercusor beef deal which enables South American sub-standard meat to flood the European markets at the detriment to the Irish Beef farmer who now finds themselves undercut and trying to compete against non regulated meat pumped full of hormones and probably able to carry the Irish flag thanks to loopholes?

His worth is completely overstated. The ironic thing is, if the Irish people didnt kick up a fuss, they would be classed as sheep. the docile Irish taking it again, etc.

speckle

He is gone? wow I take a day off...:D

Psychiatric Patrick

~Rebel~ wrote: »

If you were invited to a government event purely as a guest would you start demanding to get the detailed logistics of said event, or take it at face value. Honestly, I'd probably have done the latter.

The blame hangs with the organisers, I have trouble vilifying guests too much.

Was it a "government event"?

Invited to this this thing while elderly people all over the country have been suffering, kids not able to play with friends, people losing jobs, ??

The only only question I would ask of the organisers would be "were you born complete gob****es or was it the result of a lifetime of self-abuse?"

I would then contact the Office of An Taoiseach and/or the Guards and report the event.

The organisers, the guests and the hotel management all need to be vilified

markodaly

Deleted User wrote: »

You are surely aware he signed off on the Mercusor beef deal which enables South American sub-standard meat to flood the European markets at the detriment to the Irish Beef farmer who now finds themselves undercut and trying to compete against non regulated meat pumped full of hormones and probably able to carry the Irish flag thanks to loopholes?

His worth is completely overstated. The ironic thing is, if the Irish people didnt kick up a fuss, they would be classed as sheep. the docile Irish taking it again, etc.

The trade agreement that was worth more to Ireland than it took away.

That is the nature of Trade agreements, you give a little, you take a little. That agreement, warts and all was actually very good for Ireland as a whole, but the farming lobby hated it, so they kicked up a fuss, which of course meant that the details were lost on everyone, because you know, who gives a **** about the details when outrage does just fine.

lucernarian

Psychiatric Patrick wrote: »

Was it a "government event"?

Invited to this this thing while elderly people all over the country have been suffering, kids notable to play with friend, people losing jobs, ??

The only only question I would ask of the organisers would be "were you been born complete gob****es or was it the result of a lifetime of self-abuse?"

I would then contact the Office of An Taoiseach and/or the Guards abnd report the event.

The organisers, the guests and the hotel management all need to be vilified

And anyone like Ends Kenny who went for the golf only, to be fair, needs a bit of a shout-out not so much for abiding the rules, but showing that peer pressure and acting like a sheep around idiots isn't the only option in these situations. Let's be honest, many of us here have made up the rules as they went along, but not too many stuck to them through thick and thin when that special event comes along. Fair play to Enda and I'm not a big fan of his.

lucernarian

markodaly wrote: »

The trade agreement that was worth more to Ireland than it took away.

That is the nature of Trade agreements, you give a little, you take a little. That agreement, warts and all was actually very good for Ireland as a whole, but the farming lobby hated it, so they kicked up a fuss, which of course meant that the details were lost on everyone, because you know, who gives a **** about the details when outrage does just fine.

Kinda ironic that the IFA be used as an example of why we cut off our noses to spite our face... Some of that "outrage" is really precious and self serving.

Psychiatric Patrick

markodaly wrote: »

The trade agreement that was worth more to Ireland than it took away.

That is the nature of Trade agreements, you give a little, you take a little. That agreement, warts and all was actually very good for Ireland as a whole, but the farming lobby hated it, so they kicked up a fuss, which of course meant that the details were lost on everyone, because you know, who gives a **** about the details when outrage does just fine.

Tell us the details and what it gave to Ireland.

And no "google it" or other evasive response.

Just tell tell us.

Psychiatric Patrick

lucernarian wrote: »

And anyone like Ends Kenny who went for the golf only, to be fair, needs a bit of a shout-out not so much for abiding the rules, but showing that peer pressure and acting like a sheep around idiots isn't the only option in these situations. Let's be honest, many of us here have made up the rules as they went along, but not too many stuck to them through thick and thin when that special event comes along. Fair play to Enda and I'm not a big fan of his.

Enda Kenny is proof that you can have a career in politics and be among the Phil Hogans of the world and one out the other side with your soul and humanity intact.

I would set aside my OCD if I were ever to cross his path and I'd ask to shake his hand, assuming such a thing will ever allowed again

markodaly

Psychiatric Patrick wrote: »

Tell us the details and what it gave to Ireland.

And no "google it" or other evasive response.

Just tell tell us.

Dairy was going to be a big winner, as was Pharma, along with services Ireland provides.
The deal itself gave more to Ireland than it took away.

Psychiatric Patrick

markodaly wrote: »

Dairy was going to be a big winner, as was Pharma, along with services Ireland provides.
The deal itself gave more to Ireland than it took away.

I think you need to look up the definition of "details".

Psychiatric Patrick

:rolleyes:I see that even in his statement about resignation that Hogan still cannot stop himself from lying.

"I broke no laws"

Suckit

lucernarian wrote: »

And anyone like Ends Kenny who went for the golf only, to be fair, needs a bit of a shout-out not so much for abiding the rules, but showing that peer pressure and acting like a sheep around idiots isn't the only option in these situations. Let's be honest, many of us here have made up the rules as they went along, but not too many stuck to them through thick and thin when that special event comes along. Fair play to Enda and I'm not a big fan of his.

I'd wager his age, and those close to him that are more susceptible to coronavirus decided that for him.
It is likely that the majority of circles he can socialise in now he is retired, have a large percentage that may be very worried about it.

Tokyo

Mod: @TimeLadsPlease - don't post in the thread again.

Tony EH

Sir Oxman wrote: »

If he is resigning, it will be the large amount of lies and blaming everyone else that will have done him in.

100%

No doubt there'll be a lot of little Fine Gaeler's crying into their cornflakes this morning, but he only has himself to blame.

He'll be grand anyway. He has his multiple pensions to tide him over all paid for out of the taxpayers pocket and more than likely he'll be handed another cushy number soon enough.

He's typical of that type though. A nothing politician, whose managed to hang on in a lucrative career, without any particularly good highlights.

ExMachina1000

gmisk wrote: »

Robert Watt is very capable I have met him a few times and seems pretty clued in. He is also on the board of the FAI as well as being a sec gen.

I think Richard Bruton probably the most likely and best suited candidate, he did a good job in jobs, enterprise and innovation.

I think Richard bruton would be a horrendously bad choice.

caveat emptor

~Rebel~ wrote: »

If you were invited to a government event purely as a guest would you start demanding to get the detailed logistics of said event, or take it at face value. Honestly, I'd probably have done the latter.

The blame hangs with the organisers, I have trouble vilifying guests too much.

Personal responsibility is a thing you know. I agree it should have adhered to the guidelines but 90% of people would have been able to see that room and said "this is not right". Funny Enda was able to do that.

Negligence is no excuse of the law. These measures are in place to protect lives.
hundreds of thousands of people are sending their kids to school today worried sick.

The level of infection is high enough for this to be a problem. The people who didn't adhere to guidelines are part of the problem. If we all observed them we wouldn't be in this situation. Some people think they are clever, rules don't apply to them, they are above it. They are part of the problem not the solution.

A golfing shindig in the midst of a pandemic is poor judgement by all involved.

Happydays2020

seamus wrote: »

There's not going to be any Brexit trade agreement anyway. The Brits won't get their finger out in time.

His value to Ireland in the EU is massively overstated.

Perhaps his future value was overstated, but he did do a hell of a lot in ensuring that Irish issues were recognised in the withdrawal agreement. Not just him alone but credit where it is due.

Happydays2020

Psychiatric Patrick wrote: »

Enda Kenny is proof that you can have a career in politics and be among the Phil Hogans of the world and one out the other side with your soul and humanity intact.

I would set aside my OCD if I were ever to cross his path and I'd ask to shake his hand, assuming such a thing will ever allowed again

Kenny was an excellent Taoiseach. Him and Noonan steered the country very well through through the financial and then into the recovery - and importantly restored Ireland’s reputation Internationally. Kenny was criticised for the constitutional convention yet countries across the world are now looking at that model (including France).

The new crop should have a hard look at what they did well.

Gods Gift

Good work everyone. Great result.

Now there is a skallywag taking the piss in Russia that needs attention.

whisky_galore

Gods Gift wrote: »

Good work everyone. Great result.

Now there is a skallywag taking the piss in Russia that needs attention.

Another peasants revolt needed.

wrangler

Tony EH wrote: »

No doubt there'll be a lot of little Fine Gaeler's crying into their cornflakes this morning, but he only has himself to blame.

He'll be grand anyway. He has his multiple pensions to tide him over all paid for out of the taxpayers pocket and more than likely he'll be handed another cushy number soon enough.

He's typical of that type though. A nothing politician, whose managed to hang on in a lucrative career, without any particularly good highlights.

He must have something,
He didn't get to be Trade Commisioner because of his lovable personality,

Cal4567

I love the way some posters try to deflect many people’s genuine grievances over this shindig last week in Galway by using terms such as the ‘mob’ has to be appeased and how bad it will be for Brexit.

Because he is Irish, it is naturally assumed he is batting for Ireland. We are so ingrained in this parochial parish pump politics principle in Ireland, we think being Trade Commissioner is an extension of that. I think some here really need to go and read up about Europe and the EC and how it operates in practice. You know you do vote for it every 5 years.

Hogan should have departed last Friday along with Calleary. For some wily political operator as he has been referred to, he didn’t show much political nous these last few days, with his ever changing story. If you f&ck up, just go.

jm08

Deleted User wrote: »

You are surely aware he signed off on the Mercusor beef deal which enables South American sub-standard meat to flood the European markets at the detriment to the Irish Beef farmer who now finds themselves undercut and trying to compete against non regulated meat pumped full of hormones and probably able to carry the Irish flag thanks to loopholes?

His worth is completely overstated. The ironic thing is, if the Irish people didnt kick up a fuss, they would be classed as sheep. the docile Irish taking it again, etc.

He wasn't Trade Minister when that deal was agreed. Perhaps if he was it might not have had been so bad for Irish farmers. At least the say so of what beef processors can export I to the EU are high and the EU Get. Inspection service is based in Ireland. It's up to them to make sure that beef coming from SA countries is produced to the same standards as what Irish farmers have to reach. As well as that EU member states have to ratify the deal so it's up to the Irish goverment to reject (as Austria has already done). That deal is not happening.

wrangler

Cal4567 wrote: »

I love the way some posters try to deflect many people’s genuine grievances over this shindig last week in Galway by using terms such as the ‘mob’ has to be appeased and how bad it will be for Brexit.

Because he is Irish, it is naturally assumed he is batting for Ireland. We are so ingrained in this parochial parish pump politics principle in Ireland, we think being Trade Commissioner is an extension of that. I think some here really need to go and read up about Europe and the EC and how it operates in practice. You know you do vote for it every 5 years.

Hogan should have departed last Friday along with Calleary. For some wily political operator as he has been referred to, he didn’t show much political nous these last few days, with his ever changing story. If you f&ck up, just go.

Calleary didn't go, I'd imagine that when Income tax etc is applied to the extra ministerial salary his loss wlouldn't be like Hogans.

Happydays2020

wrangler wrote: »

He must have something,
He didn't get to be Trade Commisioner because of his lovable personality,

He did have something. This is what Martin Selmayr said who was the most powerful person in the last Commission.

https://twitter.com/martinselmayr/status/1298738050512703488?s=21

Sir Oxman

jm08 wrote: »

He wasn't Trade Minister when that deal was agreed. Perhaps if he was it might not have had been so bad for Irish farmers. At least the say so of what beef processors can export I to the EU are high and the EU Get. Inspection service is based in Ireland. It's up to them to make sure that beef coming from SA countries is produced to the same standards as what Irish farmers have to reach. As well as that EU member states have to ratify the deal so it's up to the Irish goverment to reject (as Austria has already done). That deal is not happening.

"Agriculture Minister Michael Creed was forced to take on criticism over the weekend, once the deal was announced on Friday. But other sources inside government were quick to point out that Mr Hogan had been at the centre of negotiations and had questions to answer."
https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-30934085.html