PHIL HOGAN NEEDS TO RESIGN.

FrancieBrady

Limpy wrote: »

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/phil-hogan-on-the-brink-of-resignation-as-government-agrees-to-recall-dail-early-39470576.html

I'll give leo credit for calling him out. Only a matter of time now.

Leo only called him out because the pressure dictated it.
He never mentioned him in his original tweet.
Both he and Martin are desperately trying to get ahead of this and knew the Holland story was coming.

McMurphy

Limpy wrote: »

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/phil-hogan-on-the-brink-of-resignation-as-government-agrees-to-recall-dail-early-39470576.html

I'll give leo credit for calling him out. Only a matter of time now.

Leo went to ground until he had all the details and knew what way the wind was blowing, same as he always does.

Leo and Michaél should have been straight out of their traps calling for the heads of anyone they had any influence or control over the minute the story broke.*


*Though in saying that, I still firmly believe that the chances of Michaél or Leo not knowing anything about the hooley taking place before the news broke on Wednesday evening/Thurs to be very slim indeed.

Don't be surprised if a disgruntled or disillusioned FFG member leaks invitations or some other form of indisputable evidence backing this up in the coming days.

Macdarack

Pelezico wrote: »

Irish people get very hysterical about the smallest infringements by successful figures.

Did Mr Angry give his usual rant in the sindo?

I expect a high standard from our politicians I don't know about you, moving forward, a reaction from the public as you see it a hysterical one sets the standard if the politicians can't.
Fair point made previously about his history in the water charge saga.
Off with his head !

Dubh Geannain

I hope his spokesperson doesn't lose their job out of this. This is the collateral damage people fail to see in this witchhunt :pac:

whisky_galore

Pelezico wrote: »

Irish people get very hysterical about the smallest infringements by successful figures.

Did Mr Angry give his usual rant in the sindo?

What has Hogan done for this country apart from being just another snout in the trough?

Del.Monte

Hogan is an appalling, arrogant individual who will have to be helped onto his sword as he has no intention of resigning despite making shapes about considering his position.

Doctors room ghost

Trickle out,trickle out.

CruelSummer

Do we not need Phil to help us on our trade agreements post Brexit? Has he not been putting in a lot of work in this regard at EU level? Will we the Irish people not suffer if he resigns?
I don’t care that he went to the event, I care that politicians and NPHET are asking the ordinary people to lose their businesses and jobs while they remain unaffected calling for more lockdowns, etc.

Del.Monte

CruelSummer wrote: »

Do we not need Phil to help us on our trade agreements post Brexit? Has he not been putting in a lot of work in this regard at EU level? Will we the Irish people not suffer if he resigns?
I don’t care that he went to the event, I care that politicians and NPHET are asking the ordinary people to lose their businesses and jobs while they remain unaffected calling for more lockdowns, etc.

He's certainly put a lot of work into playing golf. :rolleyes:

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/phil-hogan-on-the-brink-of-resignation-as-government-agrees-to-recall-dail-early-39470576.html

Millionaire only not

Del.Monte wrote: »

He's certainly put a lot of work into playing golf. :rolleyes:

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/phil-hogan-on-the-brink-of-resignation-as-government-agrees-to-recall-dail-early-39470576.html

Early money on Leo for the job , are the people of Ireland about to lose a good leader ?

TimHorton

For Forks Sake wrote: »

I wouldn't want to be the unfortunate person tasked with asking him to consider his position

Why , He is just big arrogant dick.

Limpy

Imagine you were on PUP (Due to Covid), got called back from your 300 a week payment to work 10 hours a week for 90 euro. Then you had to serve Lobster and Foie Gras for 80 people in the Clifton.

MickeyLeari

CruelSummer wrote: »

Do we not need Phil to help us on our trade agreements post Brexit? Has he not been putting in a lot of work in this regard at EU level? Will we the Irish people not suffer if he resigns?
I don’t care that he went to the event, I care that politicians and NPHET are asking the ordinary people to lose their businesses and jobs while they remain unaffected calling for more lockdowns, etc.

Like him or not (I don’t particularly) but Hogan is extremely well regarded in Brussels. The Commission will probably not be happy that he was forced out for what is in perspective a pretty small offence and most likely Ireland will get a far less high profile brief. The big countries will be thrilled that the trade brief will be available to them. Oh and we will lose a massive voice at the table in respect to NI and the future agreement.

is_that_so

Del.Monte wrote: »

Hogan is an appalling, arrogant individual who will have to be helped onto his sword as he has no intention of resigning despite making shapes about considering his position.

He is many of those things but a pretty decent EU Commissioner. Some of them are skills that help him do his job. There's not a lot of good to be said about Bertie at the best of times but he was a negotiator par excellence and a brilliant deal maker.

Macdarack

Does anyone here think Micheal Martin didn't know about the Golf event happening in Galway?

MickeyLeari

Macdarack wrote: »

Does anyone here think Micheal Martin didn't know about the Golf event happening in Galway?

Where should the resignations from this stop?

kippy

MickeyLeari wrote: »

Like him or not (I don’t particularly) but Hogan is extremely well regarded in Brussels. The Commission will probably not be happy that he was forced out for what is in perspective a pretty small offence and most likely Ireland will get a far less high profile brief. The big countries will be thrilled that the trade brief will be available to them. Oh and we will lose a massive voice at the table in respect to NI and the future agreement.

This is the biggest issue for Ireland really.

Hawthorn Tree

Millionaire only not wrote: »

Early money on Leo for the job , are the people of Ireland about to lose a good leader ?

Do you have any iota of a clue what good leader means??

Think about his actions around Irish Water. Learn something.

MickeyLeari

Hawthorn Tree wrote: »

Do you have any iota of a clue what good leader means??

Think about his actions around Irish Water. Learn something.

Wasn’t Varadkar Minister for Transport back then?

Gerry Hatrick

CruelSummer wrote: »

Do we not need Phil to help us on our trade agreements post Brexit? Has he not been putting in a lot of work in this regard at EU level? Will we the Irish people not suffer if he resigns?
I don’t care that he went to the event, I care that politicians and NPHET are asking the ordinary people to lose their businesses and jobs while they remain unaffected calling for more lockdowns, etc.

Why do you think he would help us? Because he's Irish :pac: He doesn't give a hoot about Ireland.

whisky_galore

kippy wrote: »

This is the biggest issue for Ireland really.

Well then let him carry on in Europe, just strip him of any privileges and perks here. Of course we probably can't do that.

is_that_so

Gerry Hatrick wrote: »

Why do you think he would help us? Because he's Irish :pac: He doesn't give a hoot about Ireland.

He's not ours now, he's EU. He was initially rumoured to be in the running for the top job. The trade portfolio fits his personality and it makes sense to have someone who can understand both sides of Brexit.

Gerry Hatrick

Pelezico wrote: »

Irish people get very hysterical about the smallest infringements by successful figures.

Did Mr Angry give his usual rant in the sindo?

Couldn't be further from the truth tbh. We are a very passive forgiving people.

The levy has broke now and there is no going back.

Gods Gift

Is there anything to be said for another round of golf.

is_that_so

Gods Gift wrote: »

Is there anything to be said for another round of golf.

Just as long as it's straight in the car and home afterwards. It's not the sport, it's the socialising!

Gods Gift

In sure Mick Wallace Claire daly or Ming Flanagan could fill his position.
They don’t strike me as the golfing sort.

MickeyLeari

So what is this in reality:

- the Government policy up to last week was to get the country back to business.
- we had a job stimulus plan in July and a good part of this was in respect to the hospitality industry which is on its knees right now. Note that close to a million people are either on the PUP or the TWSS (we won’t be able to afford this for long).
- we have a Government policy of encouraging staycations. The extent to this approachis that the chair of Bord Failte was forced to resign after taking a holiday in a country which was perfectly ok to travel to (normal precautions is the DFA advice)
- hotels and restaurants are reeling from Covid 19 and trying to stay open while adhering to complex rules.
- the Cabinet in a panic last Tuesday changed the rules and they could not even explain them at a press conference.
- the hotel and the hotels federation seemingly received advice that functions could be split so as to comply with the rules applying until Tuesday afternoon.
- the hotel and the hotel federation were seeking clarity on the new rules (huge uncertainty in respect to these rules). https://www.thejournal.ie/irish-hotels-federation-golf-gate-5181902-Aug2020/
- an event went ahead under this uncertainty - an event which was in line with the opening up message which applied until the previous day (although no one was 100% sure what the Cabinet agreed).
- a member of that Cabinet attended the event and should have known it was in breach of what he agreed the previous day (the rest of us did not really have a clue).
- that Minister was right to resign having agreed this.
- the organisers clearly knew that they were stretching the existing rules.
- other attendees (like with all health and safety advices) would have had to assume that the event was in line with govt advice and legal regulations.

If this was in front of a rationale body such as a Court or workplace dispute it would be thrown out in minutes but this is the Court of public opinion.

jojofizzio

Macdarack wrote: »

Does anyone here think Micheal Martin didn't know about the Golf event happening in Galway?

Well considering he didn’t know he could recall the Dail on Friday,it wouldn’t surprise me...

is_that_so

jojofizzio wrote: »

Well considering he didn’t know he could recall the Dail on Friday,it wouldn’t surprise me...

He chose not to. Mary Lou is always straight out of the blocks with this kind of demand. It's very much win-win for her however it plays out.

MickeyLeari

MickeyLeari wrote: »

So what is this in reality:

- the Government policy up to last week was to get the country back to business.
- we had a job stimulus plan in July and a good part of this was in respect to the hospitality industry which is on its knees right now. Note that close to a million people are either on the PUP or the TWSS (we won’t be able to afford this for long).
- we have a Government policy of encouraging staycations. The extent to this approachis that the chair of Bord Failte was forced to resign after taking a holiday in a country which was perfectly ok to travel to (normal precautions is the DFA advice)
- hotels and restaurants are reeling from Covid 19 and trying to stay open while adhering to complex rules.
- the Cabinet in a panic last Tuesday changed the rules and they could not even explain them at a press conference.
- the hotel and the hotels federation seemingly received advice that functions could be split so as to comply with the rules applying until Tuesday afternoon.
- the hotel and the hotel federation were seeking clarity on the new rules (huge uncertainty in respect to these rules). https://www.thejournal.ie/irish-hotels-federation-golf-gate-5181902-Aug2020/
- an event went ahead under this uncertainty - an event which was in line with the opening up message which applied until the previous day (although no one was 100% sure what the Cabinet agreed).
- a member of that Cabinet attended the event and should have known it was in breach of what he agreed the previous day (the rest of us did not really have a clue).
- that Minister was right to resign having agreed this.
- the organisers clearly knew that they were stretching the existing rules.
- other attendees (like with all health and safety advices) would have had to assume that the event was in line with govt advice and legal regulations.

If this was in front of a rationale body such as a Court or workplace dispute it would be thrown out in minutes but this is the Court of public opinion.

All the above valid and true. Still doesn’t make it ok. In the current climate, we all have difficult decisions to make regarding social events and other gatherings like funerals and weddings. Common sense went out the window in this case.