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PHIL HOGAN NEEDS TO RESIGN.

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    #542
    Limpy
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    The EU don't want distractions as they are trying to kick start a colour revaluation in Belarus.


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    #543
    893bet
    Registered Users Posts: 9,017 ✭✭✭893bet


    McMurphy wrote: »
    No Leo didn't have any direct involvement in the dismemberment,**whoosh** he was just Taoiseach at the time, same for the housing and health crises his govt presided over so there's that, though there is the disastrous election results in fairness leo was involved there alright.

    Next up you'll be telling me Leo had no involvement in Ireland and "fastest growing economy in Europe", right?

    I was being sarcastic ....whoosh.

    I have no problem politician being held accountable for both the good (fastest growing economy) and the bad (overcrowding in health service)...but to try and use the a Garda shooting by an individual as a stick to beat him, well, it just weakens the rest of the argument.


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    #544
    sydthebeat
    Subscribers Posts: 41,656 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    _Kaiser_ wrote: »
    The tweet is stupid and sensationalist but the issues behind each statement are the key points.

    Elderly people suffering the indignity and embarrassment of incontinence because they're lying on a trolley in a hall because there's no bed/room to put them in as FG failed on health is what they're (badly) getting at

    Every successive government we've had since the 70s are guilty off the same issue.... And with the recession that's coming the next government will also be guilty off the same issue.

    We've had doctors as our ministers for health and even they haven't been able to sort out the cluster fcuk that is our acute and general hospital service.


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    #545
    Tokyo
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    Threads merged.


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    #546
    893bet
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    sydthebeat wrote: »
    Every successive government we've had since the 70s are guilty off the same issue.... And with the recession that's coming the next government will also be guilty off the same issue.

    We've had doctors as our ministers for health and even they haven't been able to sort out the cluster fcuk that is our acute and general hospital service.

    The issue is bigger than any government.

    And no government has the appetite to try and sort it out as the fallout would be immense. Unions and strikes. As it stands they just keep throwing money and hoping someone of it sticks in the right place.


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    #547
    ExMachina1000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,748 ✭✭✭ExMachina1000


    MickeyLeari wrote: »
    All I am saying is that here and in the media and on social media the Government was being criticised on Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday in respect to the uncertainty and inconsistency on what was agreed by Cabinet on Tuesday this week.

    What did the new rules mean? When did they come into effect? What were the exceptions? What about existing events?

    This was a disaster of a week for the Government - we are all over the place as a country. Open things up to get the economy moving. Shut down hospitality because of meat plant failures.

    If you were an MNE looking at investment in this country - right now like the 1980’s and the financial crisis you would run a mile away.

    You get your ducks in a row. If regulations and guidelines are broken then those who did it have to take their licks.
    The scariest issue for MM and Leo is if it looks to be one rule for those with the power and one rule for the rest of us then you lose public support and confidence in the "system ".

    Mnc companies look to invest in stable governments and economies. When this story broke does it make Ireland look stable? Burying the story will have a far worse affect on an already pīss poor support for this thrown together government.

    Like I said you get your ducks in a row. Stability is everything. These are just men in suits who are paid a fortune to lead and make decisions. They broke the rules. They feel they are above the normal people.

    This isn't Russia or some banana republic south American country. Heads must roll . They can be replaced by other men in suits


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    #548
    Psychiatric Patrick
    Registered Users Posts: 974 ✭✭✭Psychiatric Patrick


    There has been mention of the water charges a good few times.

    Is that why people are outraged about Hogan breaking the restrictions?

    Or all the politician and others getting the same anger ?


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    #549
    MickeyLeari
    Closed Accounts Posts: 917 ✭✭✭MickeyLeari


    What is interesting in all this is the Leo-Hogan relationship.

    Hogan has had a lot of backroom power in FG for some time - he ensured that Kenny survived the heave from Bruton and the rumours were that he devised the strategy and put a lot of weight behind Leo in his leadership battle with Coveney (some expressed the view that his enthusiasm for Leo was more in respect to his previous relationship with Hugh Coveney but that is probably more rumours).

    What is also interesting of this gets personal. Hogan keeps his job but is spiteful and holds it against the Irish Government.


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    #550
    wrangler
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    Psychiatric Patrick wrote: »
    There has been mention of the water charges a good few times.

    Is that why people are outraged about Hogan breaking the restrictions?

    Or all the politician and others getting the same anger ?

    They should leave Phil alone, we haven't anyone with the talent, common sense or experience to replace him. the same applies to replacing the Minister for Agriculture.
    There's too much going on in the real world to be allowing politicians to be playing musical chairs


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    #551
    ExMachina1000
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    wrangler wrote: »
    They should leave Phil alone, we haven't anyone with the talent, common sense or experience to replace him. the same applies to replacing the Minister for Agriculture.
    There's too much going on in the real world to be allowing politicians to be playing musical chairs

    We don't replace him. He works for the EU not Ireland


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    #552
    the purple tin
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    Fr_Dougal wrote: »
    If Hogan, Cowen, Calleary and co. were SF politicians you’d have Mary Loooo brush everything off and declare that she’s “not their mammies”. Has that SF councillor in Monaghan resigned yet? Nope. Has Mary Loooo called for her resignation? Nope. The double standards.
    She hasn't done anything wrong afaik. She went on holiday in Lanzarote then self-isolated in a holiday home in Donegal for a fortnight when she got back.
    I think people are angry because she didn't SI in her own home, but I'm not sure if there's more to it than that.


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    #553
    Gerry Hatrick
    Closed Accounts Posts: 552 ✭✭✭Gerry Hatrick


    MickeyLeari wrote: »
    What is interesting in all this is the Leo-Hogan relationship.

    Hogan has had a lot of backroom power in FG for some time - he ensured that Kenny survived the heave from Bruton and the rumours were that he devised the strategy and put a lot of weight behind Leo in his leadership battle with Coveney (some expressed the view that his enthusiasm for Leo was more in respect to his previous relationship with Hugh Coveney but that is probably more rumours).

    What is also interesting of this gets personal. Hogan keeps his job but is spiteful and holds it against the Irish Government.

    Can i ask why you would think Hogan would want to do a deal that favours Ireland?


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    #554
    wrangler
    Registered Users Posts: 11,178 ✭✭✭✭wrangler


    ExMachina1000 wrote: »
    We don't replace him. He works for the EU not Ireland

    Is he not paid by Ireland
    Mickeyleari is right though, this heave against Phil is going to achieve nothing only bad feeling from a person with the power to make things difficult for us


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    #555
    the purple tin
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    wrangler wrote: »
    They should leave Phil alone, we haven't anyone with the talent, common sense or experience to replace him. the same applies to replacing the Minister for Agriculture.
    There's too much going on in the real world to be allowing politicians to be playing musical chairs


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    #556
    ExMachina1000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,748 ✭✭✭ExMachina1000


    wrangler wrote: »
    Is he not paid by Ireland
    Mickeyleari is right though, this heave against Phil is going to achieve nothing only bad feeling from a person with the power to make things difficult for us

    The heave against him is his own doing. He is Eu commissioner. He works for the EU as a whole. Hes not going to be making anything difficult for us.


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    #557
    MickeyLeari
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    Gerry Hatrick wrote: »
    Can i ask why you would think Hogan would want to do a deal that favours Ireland?

    A good question - I suspect Hogan’s primary loyalty is to himself and his own ambitions. But you generally find that the French and Italian Commissioners are first and foremost French and Italian.


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    #558
    Fuascailteoir
    Registered Users Posts: 620 ✭✭✭Fuascailteoir


    the purple tin wrote: »
    She hasn't done anything wrong afaik. She went on holiday in Lanzarote then self-isolated in a holiday home in Donegal for a fortnight when she got back.
    I think people are angry because she didn't SI in her own home, but I'm not sure if there's more to it than that.

    Not as easy to self isolate in donegal as there are feck all supermarkets that would do home delivery in most places. Probably means she was fluting around the shops in donegal.


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    #559
    smelly sock
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,820 ✭✭✭smelly sock


    wrangler wrote: »
    Is he not paid by Ireland
    Mickeyleari is right though, this heave against him is going to achieve nothing only bad feeling from a person with the power to make things difficult for us

    In terms of an economic crisis its on its way an Phil doesnt give a ****. I'd rather see him out of a job and go the pariah route like Bertie and Cowen.


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    #560
    Pelezico
    Registered Users Posts: 681 ✭✭✭Pelezico


    This thread is a joke. The Irish get far too emotional about this.

    And all because he wanted to upgrade Irish Water to a proper commercial footing.


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    #561
    MickeyLeari
    Closed Accounts Posts: 917 ✭✭✭MickeyLeari


    wrangler wrote: »
    Is he not paid by Ireland
    Mickeyleari is right though, this heave against Phil is going to achieve nothing only bad feeling from a person with the power to make things difficult for us

    No. He is paid by the EU Commission (very well paid). Ireland is a net contributor to the EU so yes we indirectly pay him but proportionally the Germans pay a lot more of his salary.


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    #562
    MickeyLeari
    Closed Accounts Posts: 917 ✭✭✭MickeyLeari


    Fuascailteoir wrote: »
    Not as easy to self isolate in donegal as there are feck all supermarkets that would do home delivery in most places. Probably means she was fluting around the shops in donegal.

    Maybe all politicians should have ankle bracelets and cams so we should follow all their movements.


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    #563
    whisky_galore
    Registered Users Posts: 16,360 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    Dubh Geannain wrote: »
    I hope his spokesperson doesn't lose their job out of this. This is the collateral damage people fail to see in this witchhunt :pac:

    PR for cowards unwilling to speak for themselves?


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    #564
    Fuascailteoir
    Registered Users Posts: 620 ✭✭✭Fuascailteoir


    MickeyLeari wrote: »
    Maybe all politicians should have ankle bracelets and cams so we should follow all their movements.

    Any clown that was abroad and doesn't do the required period of isolation to keep people on the wider community safe upon their return, deserves condemnation. Is ok for fit and healthy people but them walking around like that could have horrific consequences for some.


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    #565
    smelly sock
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,820 ✭✭✭smelly sock


    Pelezico wrote: »
    This thread is a joke. The Irish get far too emotional about this.

    And all because he wanted to upgrade Irish Water to a proper commercial footing.

    Yeh being told you cant go to funerals and have to cancel all family gatherings. Being told you cant go to a match.

    Being told we are all in it together.


    Sure why would anyone be upset at them flouting the guidelines and giving us the 2 fingers.


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    #566
    Gerry Hatrick
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    MickeyLeari wrote: »
    A good question - I suspect Hogan’s primary loyalty is to himself and his own ambitions. But you generally find that the French and Italian Commissioners are first and foremost French and Italian.

    Sure but we know Hogan's track record, he doesn't care about the Irish public in general. At the end of the day it doesn't matter if an Irish guy or a guy from Latvia is in his position Merkel will call the shots with Macron looking over his shoulder.


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    #567
    MickeyLeari
    Closed Accounts Posts: 917 ✭✭✭MickeyLeari


    smelly sock wrote: »
    Yeh being told you cant go to funerals and have to cancel all family gatherings. Being told you cant go to a match.

    Being told we are all in it together.


    Sure why would anyone be upset at them flouting the guidelines and giving us the 2 fingers.

    If he goes that is fine. I don’t particularly care.

    But the rules are a mess and communication has been terrible. 3 weeks ago we had an economic stimulus plan to reopen the economy and a big part of that was staycations and restarting the hospitality industry.

    In my view what happened on Tuesday was far more serious.


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    #568
    Gerry Hatrick
    Closed Accounts Posts: 552 ✭✭✭Gerry Hatrick


    Pelezico wrote: »
    This thread is a joke. The Irish get far too emotional about this.

    And all because he wanted to upgrade Irish Water to a proper commercial footing.

    Unsubscribe so.


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    #569
    MickeyLeari
    Closed Accounts Posts: 917 ✭✭✭MickeyLeari


    Gerry Hatrick wrote: »
    Sure but we know Hogan's track record, he doesn't care about the Irish public in general. At the end of the day it doesn't matter if an Irish guy or a guy from Latvia is in his position Merkel will call the shots with Macron looking over his shoulder.

    Not really in reality. How then did Paschal Donoghue get the job ahead of a Spanish nominee who had the backing of Merkel and Macron?


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    #570
    the purple tin
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    Pelezico wrote: »
    This thread is a joke. The Irish get far too emotional about this.

    And all because he wanted to upgrade Irish Water to a proper commercial footing.
    From what I can see you're the one who is getting the most 'emotional and hysterical' on here P.


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    #571
    Gerry Hatrick
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    MickeyLeari wrote: »
    Not really in reality. How then did Paschal Donoghue get the job ahead of a Spanish nominee who had the backing of Merkel and Macron?

    It's about window dressing. "We are all behind Ireland in this".

    You really think we have a say what happens with Brexit? The Europeans will do what's best for the european trading bloc not Ireland


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