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PHIL HOGAN NEEDS TO RESIGN.

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    #722
    Dav010
    Registered Users Posts: 14,608 ✭✭✭✭Dav010


    the purple tin wrote: »
    Despite the image they try to portray, more and more people are waking up to the fact that most politicians just really aren't that bright. Cunning or sly maybe, but intelligent? nah.

    I wouldn’t mind them not being members of Mensa, but you would think that common sense would be a job requirement.


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    #723
    MickeyLeari
    Closed Accounts Posts: 917 ✭✭✭MickeyLeari


    the purple tin wrote: »
    Despite the image they try to portray, more and more people are waking up to the fact that most politicians just really aren't that bright. Cunning or sly maybe, but intelligent? nah.

    Would someone intelligent actually want to do the job? It’s a horrible job - especially now with social media and the mainstream media are expert at sharpening knives also.


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    #724
    Yurt2
    Registered Users Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    [QUOTE=silver2020;114396393]plenty of people have an opinion, but just look at those posting incessantly and you'll see a pattern.

    Very obvious when you dig a little into their posting history.


    IMO, MM is not up to the job and Stephen Donnelly has been found out toeb full of hot air.

    They made an announcement tuesday night that made no sense. You can't have 50 people in one room at an event on Wednesday, but no problem if it was last Monday or Tuesday.

    Of course no problem if it was a wedding or a "cultural" event either.

    Knee jerk BS from MM and Donnelly and that's where they ire should be targeted.[/QUOTE]

    There are people of all political stripes on this site posting incessantly. You're seeing what you want to see and are engaging in conspiracy posting.


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    #725
    MickeyLeari
    Closed Accounts Posts: 917 ✭✭✭MickeyLeari


    Dav010 wrote: »
    I wouldn’t mind them not being members of Mensa, but you would think that common sense would be a job requirement.

    There was a distinct lack of cop on. Although as a country we do not really like to offend people and we are very indirect. A Dutch politician would have gone in,
    Seen the set-up and walked right back out again after saying exactly why.

    Although, 3 weeks ago it was all about getting things back to normal...then the mess on Tuesday at Cabinet.


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    #726
    the purple tin
    Registered Users Posts: 10,943 ✭✭✭✭the purple tin


    Dav010 wrote: »
    I wouldn’t mind them not being members of Mensa, but you would think that common sense would be a job requirement.
    That and some basic morals, I would be happy with.


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    #727
    MickeyLeari
    Closed Accounts Posts: 917 ✭✭✭MickeyLeari


    Yurt! wrote: »
    There are people of all political stripes on this site posting incessantly. You're seeing what you want to see and are engaging in conspiracy posting.

    Indeed and quite misdirected in this case.

    But indeed good advice (for myself) to take time out and watch some Netflix.


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    #728
    ChikiChiki
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,950 ✭✭✭ChikiChiki


    He turned replies off on his twitter apology.

    Probably off golfing for the afternoon.


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    #729
    whisky_galore
    Registered Users Posts: 16,360 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    MickeyLeari wrote: »
    There was a distinct lack of cop on. Although as a country we do not really like to offend people and we are very indirect. A Dutch politician would have gone in,
    Seen the set-up and walked right back out again after saying exactly why.

    Although, 3 weeks ago it was all about getting things back to normal...then the mess on Tuesday at Cabinet.

    An Irish politician walks in, a shur what's the harm, I'm hardly going to drive all the way home again, shur the hotel knows what they're doin.


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    #730
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    MickeyLeari wrote: »
    There was a distinct lack of cop on. Although as a country we do not really like to offend people and we are very indirect. A Dutch politician would have gone in,
    Seen the set-up and walked right back out again after saying exactly why.

    Although, 3 weeks ago it was all about getting things back to normal...then the mess on Tuesday at Cabinet.

    So it wasn't Phil's fault because he is Irish?
    That's a bit racist.
    We all have personal responsibility.
    An elected representative for this country should know this.


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    #731
    MickeyLeari
    Closed Accounts Posts: 917 ✭✭✭MickeyLeari


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    So it wasn't Phil's fault because he is Irish?
    That's a bit racist.
    We all have personal responsibility.
    An elected representative for this country should know this.

    I did not say that. I am saying as an Irish person (and sharing that trait) that sometimes we are afraid of offending people rather than doing the right thing.

    You can disagree with me on that but it is not racist.


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    #732
    froog
    Registered Users Posts: 3,784 ✭✭✭froog


    absolute disgrace. took him 3 days to cobble together an apology and only after senior political leaders made him. utter contempt for the irish public. europe need to fire this joker.


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    #733
    JJJackal
    Registered Users Posts: 1,016 ✭✭✭JJJackal


    I think this non-elected official is being judged to a very high standard


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    #734
    Edgware
    Registered Users Posts: 5,874 ✭✭✭Edgware


    I think we have got as much blood out of this one as possible. Take a break and build up our rage again in time to demand Norma Foley's resignation. All you have to do is change the name on the script


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    #735
    smurgen
    Registered Users Posts: 6,933 ✭✭✭smurgen


    He’s a liability to the EU. How was he so careless with his career? I’d have thought they’d all learned from the Dominic Cummings situation.


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    #736
    storker
    Registered Users Posts: 5,679 ✭✭✭storker


    smurgen wrote: »
    He’s a liability to the EU. How was he so careless with his career? I’d have thought they’d all learned from the Dominic Cummings situation.

    Unfortunately the higher ups often suffer particularly badly from the learning disabilities called "arrogance" and "ego".

    That said, I think Hogan should stay put until the Brexit deal is done.


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    #737
    Infini
    Registered Users Posts: 4,573 ✭✭✭Infini


    storker wrote: »
    Unfortunately the higher ups often suffer particularly badly from the learning disabilities called "arrogance" and "ego".

    That said, I think Hogan should stay put until the Brexit deal is done.

    It would probably be better in the long run for him to remain considering the shìte were going to be up against at the end of the year. He attended something he REALLY shouldnt have but honestly what it feels is more tone deaf and a moment of being an absolute bellend rather than sheer malice. Doesnt in my view deserve a resignation (a bit short of it IMO) but most certainly deserves an absolute bollocking and dressing down. If it was a string of screw ups over a shorter period it'd be a different story entirely tho.


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    #738
    jm08
    Registered Users Posts: 11,300 ✭✭✭✭jm08


    storker wrote: »
    Unfortunately the higher ups often suffer particularly badly from the learning disabilities called "arrogance" and "ego".

    That said, I think Hogan should stay put until the Brexit deal is done.


    Its actually far more important that he is left there to negotiate an EU trade deal with the US - (by far Ireland's biggest export market). It seems Hogan has made some success already.



    https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2020/0821/1160611-us-and-eu-agree-limited-trade-deal/


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    #739
    Phoebas
    Registered Users Posts: 9,371 ✭✭✭Phoebas


    The organisers need to take a bit more of the responsibility here.

    If I was invited to an event organised by an Oireachtas body, I'd take it for granted that the arrangements were within the rules unless it was blatantly obvious that it wasn't.


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    #740
    The Belly
    Registered Users Posts: 572 ✭✭✭The Belly


    Phoebas wrote: »
    The organisers need to take a bit more of the responsibility here.

    If I was invited to an event organised by an Oireachtas body, I'd take it for granted that the arrangements were within the rules unless it was blatantly obvious that it wasn't.

    So your incapable of making up your own mind and just go ahead?


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    #741
    jm08
    Registered Users Posts: 11,300 ✭✭✭✭jm08


    The Belly wrote: »
    So your incapable of making up your own mind and just go ahead?


    I don't think that is what is being said here. One would expect the organisers of this particular event to have followed the guidelines.


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    #742
    Phoebas
    Registered Users Posts: 9,371 ✭✭✭Phoebas


    The Belly wrote: »
    So your incapable of making up your own mind and just go ahead?

    Not at all. I'm saying that the organisers should take more of the responsibility, not all of it.

    But it wouldn't have been obvious to many of the attendees that this was breaching the new regulations (if indeed it was).


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    #743
    Loafing Oaf
    Registered Users Posts: 16,583 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Phoebas wrote: »

    If I was invited to an event organised by an Oireachtas body, I'd take it for granted that the arrangements were within the rules unless it was blatantly obvious that it wasn't.

    But surely it should indeed have been blatantly obvious to anyone who looked inside the door and saw a room laid out for nearly 100 people, and tables set for 6-10, that the arrangements were not in compliance, if they had half a brain.


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    #744
    stockshares
    Registered Users Posts: 2,758 ✭✭✭stockshares


    Statement from EU Commission
    https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1297552370990276610?s=19


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    #745
    Fann Linn
    Registered Users Posts: 7,800 ✭✭✭Fann Linn


    stockshares wrote: »
    Statement from EU Commission
    https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1297552370990276610?s=19

    It hasn't gone away.


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    #746
    Phoebas
    Registered Users Posts: 9,371 ✭✭✭Phoebas


    Loafing Oaf wrote: »
    But surely it should indeed have been blatantly obvious to anyone who looked inside the door and saw a room laid out for nearly 100 people, and tables set for 6-10, that the arrangements were not in compliance, if they had half a brain.

    Not really.

    I was in a restaurant on Saturday night that would have had more than 50 people in it.
    I relied on the restaurant owners the regulations were been adhered to.

    In the case of the golf dinner, the new regs only came into force a few days previous - it would be no wonder if at least some of the attendees weren't au fait with the updated rules.


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    #747
    s1ippy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,980 ✭✭✭s1ippy


    Phoebas wrote: »
    Not really.

    I was in a restaurant on Saturday night that would have had more than 50 people in it.
    I relied on the restaurant owners the regulations were been adhered to.

    In the case of the golf dinner, the new regs only came into force a few days previous - it would be no wonder if at least some of the attendees weren't au fait with the updated rules.

    Including those who had drafted and signed off on them?

    Including a judge who uses their judgement to convict people of crimes? Should he accept ignorance of the law as a reason to let off somebody who breaks it?

    I'm glad to see Vinne weighing in. I miss him.
    https://twitter.com/vincentbrowne/status/1297511103010873344


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    #748
    TheBlackPill
    Closed Accounts Posts: 321 ✭✭TheBlackPill


    He should not resign
    We will need every bit of influence on the european commision over the next few years, there is no guarantee his replacement will be any good


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    #749
    The Belly
    Registered Users Posts: 572 ✭✭✭The Belly


    TheBlackPill wrote: »
    He should not resign
    We will need every bit of influence on the european commision over the next few years, there is no guarantee his replacement will be any good

    Well if he is the best we got then god helps us.


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    #750
    Gooey Looey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,297 ✭✭✭Gooey Looey


    TheBlackPill wrote: »
    He should not resign
    We will need every bit of influence on the european commision over the next few years, there is no guarantee his replacement will be any good

    What influence, he represents the EU not Ireland. His loyalties are more with Germany and France than us as they have more power


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    #751
    Ger Roe
    Registered Users Posts: 2,129 ✭✭✭Ger Roe


    Phoebas wrote: »
    Not really.

    I was in a restaurant on Saturday night that would have had more than 50 people in it.
    I relied on the restaurant owners the regulations were been adhered to.

    In the case of the golf dinner, the new regs only came into force a few days previous - it would be no wonder if at least some of the attendees weren't au fait with the updated rules.

    The constantly repeated advice from the DOH briefings is, if you are in any doubt yourself, get out. You don't rely on anyone else to protect your own health.


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