PHIL HOGAN NEEDS TO RESIGN.

E mac

Larbre34 wrote: »

Well thats just simply cutting off our nose to spite our face. We are entering the most important period for long term Irish economic prosperity in 50 years and we have a person at the top table in a position to get us major influence in the permanent deal. Everything else is secondary because that deal is our kids future.

Hogans an EU man first Irish second. He wasn't much of an asset to Irish beef farmers when the mercosur trade talks were going on. I think he's gonna ride this out with no dail sitting and no political will to remove him I think it's unlikely he's gonna go.

stockshares

Larbre34 wrote: »

Well thats just simply cutting off our nose to spite our face. We are entering the most important period for long term Irish economic prosperity in 50 years and we have a person at the top table in a position to get us major influence in the permanent deal. Everything else is secondary because that deal is our kids future.

How does he get us influence regarding the permanent deal?
The British know all about him. He has no credibility. How does that help in a negotiation. Plus he is not there to represent just Ireland. He is there to represent all EU Countries.

embraer170

Iodine1 wrote: »

He worked his way into a powerful position of influence in Europe. We need him there and his replacement will not be Irish, most likely. He has apologised, he was definitely misled, and he should NOT resign over it. He's good at the job and we need him there.

Of course Ireland would get to nominate a Commissioner to replace Hogan.

The only question is whether a new Irish Commissioner would keep the trade portfolio or there would be a reshuffling.

Limpy

Is that serpent gone yet? It will leave a stain on FG if he stays around. Going forward any politician will say sure Phil didn't resign why should I.

Larbre34

Gerry Hatrick wrote: »

Again why does anyone think this? I'm frankly baffled by this train of thought.

Because its true. The national interest is absolute here.

Larbre34

Limpy wrote: »

Is that serpent gone yet? It will leave a stain on FG if he stays around. Going forward any politician will say sure Phil didn't resign why should I.

He isn't a politician anymore. He's an appointee of the President of the EU Commission and an employee of that body.

joe40

titan18 wrote: »

Attack the post, not the poster. Don't call me a numpty.

A lot of people have complained about it being one rule for higher ups and a different rule for plebs with this situation.

So you're saying you want tougher rules for some people (what's the criteria for those btw) and normal people can break the rules with no punishment? Calleary was fair enough as he had a direct seat in making the rules. Hogan is no different than everyone else who's broken rules since March.

I absolutely hate that the dinner happened, and right and proper that Irish politicians face sanctions. But strictly speaking Phil Hogan is no longer an Irish politician, he works for the EU commission.

His behavior was despicable but not sure it is a resigning matter. He has no say in how the Irish government set coronavirus restrictions, unlike Dara Callerly.

Dara Callerly is still a government TD, he hasn't resigned.

titan18

The Belly wrote: »

If you assume a high public role your expected to lead by example no different to a high profile sportsperson.

Should not leading by example be punishable by being fired from your job/forced to resign? Should breaking covid rules be punishable by that no matter who the person is?

He's not elected by us and has no actual accountability to us. I don't like the guy but sacking him when he's broken rules that 99% of the country have likely broken seems a bit stupid. Unless everyone wants that as a punishment for anyone who does it.

I wouldn't be expecting my CEO in company I work for to resign cos he broke covid rules

The Belly

Larbre34 wrote: »

Because its true. The national interest is absolute here.

Is it? The last time the EU helped us we got saddled with massive debt and the troika took over.

The Belly

I wouldn't be expecting my CEO in company I work for to resign cos he broke covid rules

Thanks ok he or she has shareholders they can decide in this case we cant.

Limpy

"on his way from Kilkenny to Clifden, the Commissioner stopped briefly at his apartment in Kildare for the purpose of collecting personal belongings and essential work documents relating to negotiations which continued while he was in Galway".

Lol he thinks we are all FG shills that are defending him here.

titan18

The Belly wrote: »

Thanks ok he or she has shareholders they can decide in this case we cant.

If we take all people who should lead by example? Should they all resign if they break covid rules?

Teachers, doctors, guards etc. Should they all lose their jobs if they don't lead by example and break covid rules?

DeanAustin

Larbre34 wrote: »

Well thats just simply cutting off our nose to spite our face. We are entering the most important period for long term Irish economic prosperity in 50 years and we have a person at the top table in a position to get us major influence in the permanent deal. Everything else is secondary because that deal is our kids future.

It’s doing the right thing. No external circumstances should influence the decision. What he did was either an offence that demands resignation or it isn’t. That’s the only question that needs answering.

If you start bending the rules because it’s Phil Hogan or an EU Commissioner then you can’t complain when our elected officials bend the rules to suit themselves, their parties or some other hidden agenda.

stockshares

Larbre34 wrote: »

Because its true. The national interest is absolute here.

It's not served by having a self serving Politician involved in the Trade talks. He has no credibility now.

His type contributed to the build up of resentment in Britain that they were being governed by unaccountable crooked politicians in Europe.

The Gov are trying to make him out to be some mastermind that can't be done without. He wasn't smart enough to see the scandal that would come if he was caught attending the event in Galway.

He ended up in Brussels because he was sent there after the Irish Water debacle. He wasn't sent there because he was competent. He was sent there to get him out of the way.

mr_edge_to_you

Why did it take political pressure for him to issue a proper apology? Because he’s a bad egg, that’s why.

He is only out for himself. His only allegiance is to the EU, if push comes to shove he’ll throw a Ireland under the proverbial bus for his own interests - a bigger job in Brussels.

Spanish Eyes

It is really all over now imo.

Things will move on to schools and the invisible Norma now.

Has anyone heard her speak,

mr_edge_to_you

Apartently he was stopped by the Guards while on his phone while driving. Did Phil Hogan actually obey any rule while he was home??

jojofizzio

Stopped by Gardai while driving using a mobile now it seems.....spose he still hasn’t broken any rules....

Oscar Bravo

Rte news has also confirmed that Hogan was stopped by Gardi en route to Cliften for using a phone while driving.

Galwayguy35

So he was stopped by the Guards for using a phone while driving as well.

RandomViewer

mr_edge_to_you wrote: »

Did Phil Hogan actually obey any rule while he was home??

Looks like he thinks he's exempt from normal rules, caught on the phone driving in kildare

RandomViewer

mr_edge_to_you wrote: »

Why did it take political pressure for him to issue a proper apology? Because he’s a bad egg, that’s why.

He is only out for himself. His only allegiance is to the EU, if push comes to shove he’ll throw a Ireland under the proverbial bus for his own interests - a bigger job in Brussels.

Only allegiance is to Dinny

caveat emptor

stockshares wrote: »

It's not served by having a self serving Politician involved in the Trade talks. He has no credibility now.

His type contributed to the build up of resentment in Britain that they were being governed by unaccountable crooked politicians in Europe.

The Gov are trying to make him out to be some mastermind that can't be done without. He wasn't smart enough to see the scandal that would come if he was caught attending the event in Galway.

He ended up in Brussels because he was sent there after the Irish Water debacle. He wasn't sent there because he was competent. He was sent there to get him out of the way.

I'd say that was part of the quid pro quo for implementing water charges in the first place. That idea came from the EU. Something like.

"If you manage to convince Irish people that they need to pay for water then you've a job waiting for you in Brussels. If you do that you could sell ice to the eskimos!"

Liamo57

Sure everyone uses their phone while driving, whats the big deal. I think Phil is great. A big thick ignoramous, all afraid of their shtie of him. Up the cats.

jojofizzio

Will be interesting to see if he got the points or was told to drive on....

Iodine1

embraer170 wrote: »

Of course Ireland would get to nominate a Commissioner to replace Hogan.

The only question is whether a new Irish Commissioner would keep the trade portfolio or there would be a reshuffling.

Yes of course we will send over a replacement Commissioner, but we cannot dictate that he will get the portfolio, and he won't get it.

Cilldara_2000

jm08 wrote: »

You put your x on the ballot paper for your European MP who voted on your behalf.

What?

Individual commissioners are appointed by national governments and only the commission president is consulted.

Larbre34

RandomViewer wrote: »

Looks like he thinks he's exempt from normal rules, caught on the phone driving in kildare

He should have penalty points applied for that just like the rest of us.

Loafing Oaf

jojofizzio wrote: »

Stopped by Gardai while driving using a mobile now it seems.....spose he still hasn’t broken any rules....

Oscar Bravo wrote: »

Rte news has also confirmed that Hogan was stopped by Gardi en route to Cliften for using a phone while driving.

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

So he was stopped by the Guards for using a phone while driving as well.

RandomViewer wrote: »

Looks like he thinks he's exempt from normal rules, caught on the phone driving in kildare

Well I know where to come if I need up-to-the-second Phil Hogan news:eek:

RandomViewer

jojofizzio wrote: »

Will be interesting to see if he got the points or was told to drive on....

"Do you know who I am" and " I'll have you transferred to Drogheda" may have been part of the conversation