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PHIL HOGAN NEEDS TO RESIGN.

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    #2612
    Psychiatric Patrick
    Registered Users Posts: 974 ✭✭✭Psychiatric Patrick


    An Ri rua wrote: »
    Someone else might have the finer details but do many recall that when Dr John Harbison was taken ill, a shroud of uncertainty hung over his more recent work. There was a worry as to whether cases would stick. IIRC.

    Does Judge Woulfe's phenomenally poor judgement in 1. attending Clifden and 2. staying when the event clearly breached rules he delivered for government not leave him open to not merely political taint (point 1) but doubts over the refined nature of his judgement (2) and his ability to operate at Supreme Court level?

    It's truly baffling, and galling, that a senior judge would place his office in such an invidious position.

    Yes indeed.

    The man now has zero authority after this.

    The judiciary are "looking into it". Hopefully it means they really are and are not just stalling to see if Hogan survives.


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    #2613
    Loafing Oaf
    Registered Users Posts: 16,574 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    An Ri rua wrote: »
    Someone else might have the finer details but do many recall that when Dr John Harbison was taken ill, a shroud of uncertainty hung over his more recent work. There was a worry as to whether cases would stick. IIRC.

    Does Judge Woulfe's phenomenally poor judgement in 1. attending Clifden and 2. staying when the event clearly breached rules he delivered for government not leave him open to not merely political taint (point 1) but doubts over the refined nature of his judgement (2) and his ability to operate at Supreme Court level?

    Highly questionable whether a SC judge should be attending this sort of event even in 'normal' times. 'Separation of powers' should be a bit more substantial than the partition down the middle of that room...


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    #2614
    The Belly
    Registered Users Posts: 572 ✭✭✭The Belly


    Loafing Oaf wrote: »
    Highly questionable whether a SC judge should be attending this sort of event even in 'normal' times. 'Separation of powers' should be a bit more substantial than the partition down the middle of that room...

    Well he was defended today by another retired judge


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    #2615
    Psychiatric Patrick
    Registered Users Posts: 974 ✭✭✭Psychiatric Patrick


    Probably posted here already.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/who-attended-the-golf-dinner-and-what-has-happened-to-them-since-1.4338834

    "Also at the table was former Independent TD Paudge Connolly, now a Monaghan County Councillor. The Irish Times revealed he was playing golf in Spain nine days previous to the dinner. Spain is not on the Government’s green list of countries, meaning people arriving back from there must quarantine for 14 days. Mr Connolly has yet to respond to a request for comment."

    "Losing the party whip" means they've been expelled from the party doesn't it?


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    #2616
    jm08
    Registered Users Posts: 11,300 ✭✭✭✭jm08


    Psychiatric Patrick wrote: »
    Send their Prime Minister a letter


    Why should I interfere in another countries laws, though Australia is a bit fascist in how it does things (refugees put on some remote island).


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    #2617
    joseywhales
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    Like once you are explaining 14 days of movements with multiple restrictions in place, your goose is cooked, there will always be a hole. You think it would have been prudent for him to admit fault, maybe throw in the bit about the test, say that he was mistaken and should not have believed that exempt him from the restriction on movement,ignorance is no defense and apologise , say something like "I have hurt the irish people and for that I feel ashamed, I promise to use this opportunity to take my duty more seriously and not insult the sacrifices of my fellow citizens" grovel grovel, he could have pulled that off. But instead.....we are into Roscommon......


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    #2618
    Rubberchikken
    Registered Users Posts: 5,083 ✭✭✭Rubberchikken


    It's hardly the first time a member of the judiciary has played golf/eaten dinner with members of our government.

    How could it be?

    These guys live in the same areas, know the same people. This is ireland. Not a big country by any stretch of the imagination.


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    #2619
    The Belly
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    Rubberchikken wrote: »
    It's hardly the first time a member of the judiciary has played golf/eaten dinner with members of our government.

    How could it be?

    These guys live in the same areas, know the same people. This is ireland. Not a big country by any stretch of the imagination.

    Yes we are a small country but what was illustrated by who was in attendance is its still a very cosy relationship even in these times. It reminds me of the Galway tent during races week.


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    #2620
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    Rubberchikken wrote: »
    It's hardly the first time a member of the judiciary has played golf/eaten dinner with members of our government.

    How could it be?

    These guys live in the same areas, know the same people. This is ireland. Not a big country by any stretch of the imagination.

    Yes. And we don't hear about it because our journalists are eating from the same trough.
    A good example is, not Sean o Rurke being at the event, but the fact no newspaper was going to cover this story until the Examiner broke it.
    They knew about it. But chose not to cover it.


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    #2621
    Scoondal
    Registered Users Posts: 883 ✭✭✭Scoondal


    Spotlight on the unelected EU Commission president. She is not elected by EU citizens. Von der Leyen now needs to resign.
    Reform the EU government. Irish MEPs are silent.
    It's disgusting.


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    #2622
    The Belly
    Registered Users Posts: 572 ✭✭✭The Belly


    Scoondal wrote: »
    Spotlight on the unelected EU Commission president. She is not elected by EU citizens. Von der Leyen now needs to resign.
    Reform the EU government. Irish MEPs are silent.
    It's disgusting.

    The Eu is going to have bigger problems in a few months so i think the wagons will be put in a circle.


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    #2623
    Anniepower
    Registered Users Posts: 51 ✭✭Anniepower


    Psychiatric Patrick wrote: »
    Probably posted here already.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/who-attended-the-golf-dinner-and-what-has-happened-to-them-since-1.4338834

    "Also at the table was former Independent TD Paudge Connolly, now a Monaghan County Councillor. The Irish Times revealed he was playing golf in Spain nine days previous to the dinner. Spain is not on the Government’s green list of countries, meaning people arriving back from there must quarantine for 14 days. Mr Connolly has yet to respond to a request for comment."

    "Losing the party whip" means they've been expelled from the party doesn't it?

    Wondering myself exactly what the party whip term means and if a td loses it what are the consequences


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    #2624
    The Belly
    Registered Users Posts: 572 ✭✭✭The Belly


    Anniepower wrote: »
    Wondering myself exactly what the party whip term means and if a td loses it what are the consequences

    Just replaced no biggie


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    #2625
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    Rubberchikken wrote: »
    It's hardly the first time a member of the judiciary has played golf/eaten dinner with members of our government.

    How could it be?

    These guys live in the same areas, know the same people. This is ireland. Not a big country by any stretch of the imagination.

    Was this golf piss up open to the public?


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    #2626
    s1ippy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,980 ✭✭✭s1ippy


    Did anyone else try and watch the prime time after it was finished? The online one they uploaded cuts or in the middle of the Fintan O'Toole interview.

    A lot of gladhanding by McConkey, another prick hoping that staying in the good graces of his handlers will see him wheeled out and given the big jobs. Making excuses for the behaviour of this man is sickening, so transparent.


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    #2627
    ExMachina1000
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    jm08 wrote: »
    Why should I interfere in another countries laws, though Australia is a bit fascist in how it does things (refugees put on some remote island).

    You mean sensible not fascist


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    #2628
    Gods Gift
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,713 ✭✭✭Gods Gift


    Psychiatric Patrick wrote: »
    I can't keep up with it all.

    Surely someone has made a Golfgate app by now?

    The Phil Hogan Tracker App


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    #2629
    mr_edge_to_you
    Registered Users Posts: 3,116 ✭✭✭mr_edge_to_you


    Good morning folks!

    Slept better than I expected last night. Feeling fresh and ready to go. Now, off to polish my pitchfork before breakfast!


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    #2630
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Putting aside which IRA/B derived political party you support this sums it up.
    Details each of the lies.
    • If he doesn't go it's going to put a pretty big hole in the "we are all in it together" narrative.
    • Equally it'll back up some of the Brexit arguments (unelected, unaccountable).
    • It'll also show how the EU commission sets legislation based on crony access at golf events.

    This type of thing goes a long way to explaining why we have a housing crisis and every vulture fund is allowed to buy up
    half of Dublin and rent the fvck out of them to the clear detriment of every citizen here. Great profits though.

    https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1298313763939115009?s=20


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    #2631
    Edgware
    Registered Users Posts: 5,874 ✭✭✭Edgware


    Anniepower wrote: »
    Wondering myself exactly what the party whip term means and if a td loses it what are the consequences
    It just means that you sit in the naughty corner for a while, keep the head down till it all blows over.
    Financially only Callery and Buttimer are taking a hit


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    #2632
    mr_edge_to_you
    Registered Users Posts: 3,116 ✭✭✭mr_edge_to_you


    “Losing the party whip”

    You can still come to the wedding but you have to leave before the band start.


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    #2633
    ExMachina1000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,748 ✭✭✭ExMachina1000


    In fairness if he had a negative test why would he quarantine for 2 weeks

    Are we now saying testing for coronavirus is flawed. He had the test carried out a hospital too


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    #2634
    screamer
    Registered Users Posts: 6,156 ✭✭✭screamer


    ExMachina1000 wrote: »
    In fairness if he had a negative test why would he quarantine for 2 weeks

    Are we now saying testing for coronavirus is flawed. He had the test carried out a hospital too

    Because you need 2 tests 7 days apart to confirm you don’t have it. It can take time for it to show up in your system and Belgium was a hot spot for covid19 when he travelled back to Ireland.
    Plus that’s the rule, but sure as we all see, then ould Phil doesn’t accept the rules or gets a caution because they don’t apply to him like they do to us plebs......


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    #2635
    Allinall
    Registered Users Posts: 6,740 ✭✭✭Allinall


    Scoondal wrote: »
    Spotlight on the unelected EU Commission president. She is not elected by EU citizens. Von der Leyen now needs to resign.
    Reform the EU government. Irish MEPs are silent.
    It's disgusting.

    I'm confused.

    If you had no say in her appointment, how can you call for her resignation?


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    #2636
    whisky_galore
    Registered Users Posts: 16,357 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    Psychiatric Patrick wrote: »
    How about An Eejit At Home ?

    Kathryn Thomas has that covered.


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    #2637
    Happydays2020
    Registered Users Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    Has Phil Hogan resigned yet? It seems inevitable. What will happen to his team? With all these semi-truths he is either being badly advised or overruling them.


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    #2638
    Seamai
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,250 ✭✭✭Seamai


    Gods Gift wrote: »
    The Phil Hogan Tracker App

    I don't think I'll download that, guaranteed to drain my battery in minutes.


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    #2639
    golfball37
    Registered Users Posts: 4,666 ✭✭✭golfball37


    The Irish media and Twitterati obsession with this is like captain Ahab at this stage. This white whale bit them a few years ago and must be pursued regardless of consequences


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    #2640
    Happydays2020
    Registered Users Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    golfball37 wrote: »
    The Irish media and Twitterati obsession with this is like captain Ahab at this stage. This white whale bit them a few years ago and must be pursued regardless of consequences

    He has to go at this stage. He paid lip service to the regulations and believed himself to be above them.

    At the same time, reading the Irish Times today and seeing comments from people about who he was dining with in the K Club is a dangerous line to go down in terms of people’s privacy. The politicians calling for his head may well rue this as they will now be judged by those same standards as before (for the most part) people would have left them in peace.


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    #2641
    Plumbthedepths
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    ExMachina1000 wrote: »
    In fairness if he had a negative test why would he quarantine for 2 weeks

    Are we now saying testing for coronavirus is flawed. He had the test carried out a hospital too

    What has fairness got to do with anything? The requirements for people coming here from a red list country is to restrict ones movements for 14 days regardless of a test. However if reports are true Hogan was out dining with friends at the K club the day he arrived, before he tested negative.


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