PHIL HOGAN NEEDS TO RESIGN.

blackwhite

blueskys wrote: »

Can someone clarify for me if Phil Hogan was on leave from work in the eu or is that just a normal couple of weeks for an eu commissioner, i.e more time travelling around playing golf than anything else by the looks of it.

Holidays as I understand it.

August is basically a dead month for anything in France/Belgium/Netherlands - and that feeds into the EU as well.

Hawthorn Tree

Did I hear Phil was in Roscommon too? Why did he stop there?

Jizique

Psychiatric Patrick wrote: »

Because those are the rules. The rest of us would have to do it - but of course the rest of us travelling out between countries are we?

Rules or guidelines?

Psychiatric Patrick

Happydays2020 wrote: »

Has Phil Hogan resigned yet? It seems inevitable. What will happen to his team? With all these semi-truths he is either being badly advised or overruling them.

Would prefer him to be sacked

Beechwoodspark

So Irish times are reporting

A member of the public saw big Phil in a restaurant the night he arrived over from Brussels

And he never listed Roscommon on his timeline that he gave his boss yesterday

He’s his own worst enemy at this stage

ChikiChiki

Hawthorn Tree wrote: »

Did I hear Phil was in Roscommon too? Why did he stop there?

I heard he was there to see Mrs O'Reilly.

Gods Gift

Hawthorn Tree wrote: »

Did I hear Phil was in Roscommon too? Why did he stop there?

Roscommon doesn’t count.

Psychiatric Patrick

Happydays2020 wrote: »

He has to go at this stage. He paid lip service to the regulations and believed himself to be above them.

At the same time, reading the Irish Times today and seeing comments from people about who he was dining with in the K Club is a dangerous line to go down in terms of people’s privacy. The politicians calling for his head may well rue this as they will now be judged by those same standards as before (for the most part) people would have left them in peace.

We want that.

And do you think the head of a drug gang has the right to privacy when he is meeting with associates?

He apparently went socialising before the test. If the people he was meeting knew this they should be named and shamed. If they didn't know then they should come forward themselves to say it was a disgrace and that he put they health at risk.

Field east

whisky_galore wrote: »

Except when he wanted Paddys Day to go ahead.

I did not know that he had a few ‘shares ‘ in that were profit making Dublin St Pats Day committee.

screamer

Hawthorn Tree wrote: »

Did I hear Phil was in Roscommon too? Why did he stop there?

Maybe looking for some Ross common sense....

mick087

The Belly wrote: »

Well he was defended today by another retired judge

Its are if at all you find one judge go against another judge.

We need to know why this judge was there and who's interest was he serving being there.

is_that_so

Hawthorn Tree wrote: »

Did I hear Phil was in Roscommon too? Why did he stop there?

To pee?

Happydays2020

Field east wrote: »

Yes

Thanks. Will need to check out the RTÉ player.

jm08

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Martin is treated as an essential

worker regarding his trip to the EU gathering to decide on a budget. Hogan's trip to Ireland to play golf does not fall under the essential worker category.
Any queries you have about HSE guidelines/restrictions can be found on the HSE website. Not my job to do your research for you.

Why did Martin say that the reason he did not have to isolate was because he had been tested? By saying this, he has added to the confusion about what the rules are. does the rules on HSE website state that a second test is required a week later to avoid self isolation.


As for reasons to be in Ireland - he had some meetings (including with Leo) and had a medical procedure so it wasn't all golf.

Cal4567

https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2020/0826/1161345-phil-hogan/

Eamon Ryan rowing in now after Stephen Donnelly provided his tuppence worth earlier. I thought yesterday afternoon Hogan would probably have toughed it out. Now, I'm not so sure. We await the puff of white smoke from Brussels.

Interesting analogy with Brexit views in that Eurocrats deem themselves unapproachable.

Our government is going to look fairly silly and benign now if he does get to tough it out. If he does, would he even be considered that seriously again, on these shores?

Psychiatric Patrick

Field east wrote: »

With all due respect , I totally disagree. I find him very nuanced in his contribution. He is not afraid to make suggestions on other aspects ,eg economic, social, around the virus and how things might be managed. I think that his thinking ,at times , draws a lot on his experience from working in the third world. I find him very balanced in his comments, is very clear in the points he makes.
A few days ago he tried to rationalize , from a psychological perspective, how the whole Golfgate might have come about.
As ‘the man said’ it can be useful to get the other man’s view’ on the matter.

The comments re golfgate - the vast, vast ,vast majority of all the posts here and on other threads are either clearly for or against with lots of hidden agendas. As one poster said no matter what Hogan did he should go anyway

Mc Conkey, IMO, is one of the very few that is objective on all of his contributions.

No hidden agendas with me.

ChikiChiki

Its likely Von Der Leyen has received a fuller account from Leo and Martin. Can she trust Phil now that he has published a misleading account of his movement to the European Commission.

No.The optics are very poor, he thought he could pull the wool over everyone's eyes.

Hawthorn Tree

is_that_so wrote: »

To pee?

On the side of the M6 motorway? Dear oh dear.

Psychiatric Patrick

jm08 wrote: »

I think a jail sentence for breaking civid restrictions is a bit much (and costly to implement).


As for sending a message to the PM - the PM of Australia in not answerable to me. I would be just wasting my time.

Just because he doesn't answer to you doesn't mean you can't do something.

Sounds like you just prefer to comment/moan but recoil at the the thought of action.

Still funny tha you think a message you write would be classed by anybody as "interference".

screamer

ChikiChiki wrote: »

Its likely Von Der Leyen has received a fuller account from Leo and Martin. Can she trust Phil now that he has published a misleading account of his movement to the European Commission.

No.

Bigger question or concern is how will her decision on Phils fate reflect on her. I’ve said before the worst thing as a leader is for one of your team to lie and you run with that and end up looking foolish. Trust issues are an issue too. But, will she have the guts to sack a trade commissioner with Brexit barrelling down on the EU? Something tells me he’ll be kept on for continuity sake. Money is king to the EU, let’s not forget. Problem Ursula will have is that it will set a bar for her commissioners, and she might regret her decision long term.
Were I his boss, he’d be P45’d for telling porkers and as an example to the rest of the team.

is_that_so

Cal4567 wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2020/0826/1161345-phil-hogan/

Eamon Ryan rowing in now after Stephen Donnelly provided his tuppence worth earlier. I thought yesterday afternoon Hogan would probably have toughed it out. Now, I'm not so sure. We await the puff of white smoke from Brussels.

Interesting analogy with Brexit views in that Eurocrats deem themselves unapproachable.

Our government is going to look fairly silly and benign now if he does get to tough it out. If he does, would he even be considered that seriously again, on these shores?

Noise from government is to completely distance themselves from the affair. It's easy to tell someone to "consider" their position or say they've no confidence. The public uniformly approve of it. It's down to the EU here as it's always been.

Psychiatric Patrick

Sleety_Rain wrote: »

It appears now that Golfgate and Phil Hogan are being used as a scapegoat to divert attention from the horrendous and draconian measures placed on the people of Ireland which have caused so much heartache and pain and are still being inflicted on us to this day by an unelected NEPHET

Not sure if you are being serious or taking the mick

smurgen

From the horse's mouth , this is unbelievable.

https://twitter.com/paddycosgrave/status/1298537457621913600?s=19

seamus

Cal4567 wrote: »

Our government is going to look fairly silly and benign now if he does get to tough it out. If he does, would he even be considered that seriously again, on these shores?

He won't, he's finished.

EU Commissioners are appointed on the recommendation of the member state's government. Even if Phil hadn't misled the EU President, he's lost the confidence of his member state. The institutions in Brussels are acutely aware of the optics of this.

Phil will head off now and take up a senior position in some financial company or body.

Psychiatric Patrick

Jizique wrote: »

You have a different opinion on something to a chap on tv so you call him a prick?
For this alone I hope Hogan survives in his role, even if he too is a fool and many consider him a prick

You realise you doing exactly the same thing?

mr_edge_to_you

Hawthorn Tree wrote: »

On the side of the M6 motorway? Dear oh dear.

I heard that when Big Phil goes through the toll Plaza on the M4 at Enfield the machine actually pays him out €2.90 because he’s such a great man.

jm08

ChikiChiki wrote: »

Its likely Von Der Leyen has received a fuller account from Leo and Martin. Can she trust Phil now that he has published a misleading account of his movement to the European Commission.

No.The optics are very poor, he thought he could pull the wool over everyone's eyes.

This is like what the Brits did when in the EU when they messed up. "We did our best to get him sacked, so it up to the EU to sack him." Washing their hands of him. it will all be the EUs fault for the chaos of this Gov.

Floppybits

Its funny that some people seem to think this virus chooses who it infects like anyone going on non essential travel are going to be targeted more than those going on essential travel, or those not socially distancing at one type of funeral will be targeted more than those at another funeral. Its ridiculous and all it is doing is causing confusion and anger amongst the population.

Cal4567

Senior sources confirmed it remained the view of the Government that Mr Hogan should resign as commissioner, and it is understood that Dr von der Leyen is aware of this.

That quote is directly from the IT website. Reads to me that Ursula von der Leyen has had the conversation with Martin/Varadkar.

screamer

smurgen wrote: »

From the horse's mouth , this is unbelievable.

https://twitter.com/paddycosgrave/status/1298537457621913600?s=19

Holy ****..... think I’ll email this to Ursula, she might like to hear it for herself.