PHIL HOGAN NEEDS TO RESIGN.

seamus

jm08 wrote: »

This is like what the Brits did when in the EU when they messed up. "We did our best to get him sacked, so it up to the EU to sack him." Washing their hands of him. it will all be the EUs fault for the chaos of this Gov.

Nah, the British people bought that nonsense because they'd been subjected to four decades of anti-EU propaganda.

Despite the best efforts of John Waters and his ilk, the same rubbish has never caught on here, so Irish people generally understand where our government ends and the EU starts.

jm08

Psychiatric Patrick wrote: »

Just because he doesn't answer to you doesn't mean you can't do something.

Sounds like you just prefer to comment/moan but recoil at the the thought of action.

Still funny tha you think a message you write would be classed by anybody as "interference".

I said sending an email to the Australian PM would be a waste of time because he is not answerable to me.

Plumbthedepths

jm08 wrote: »

Why did Martin say that the reason he did not have to isolate was because he had been tested? By saying this, he has added to the confusion about what the rules are. does the rules on HSE website state that a second test is required a week later to avoid self isolation.


As for reasons to be in Ireland - he had some meetings (including with Leo) and had a medical procedure so it wasn't all golf.

I don't know how to say it to you that you'll understand but here goes Martin is deemed an essential worker and the quarantine advice does not apply to him. Hogan is not based in Ireland and the quarantine requirement applies to him no exceptions.
Any further queries you have please consult the relevant websites concerned.
As to Hogan's medical procedure, 5 days after he arrived I believe where he was tested. According to an eye witness quoted in the Times he was dining with friends in the restaurant of the K club on the 31st July the day he arrived.
Your defence is admirable but misplaced.

Psychiatric Patrick

Edgware wrote: »

People are always saying that the judiciary are out of touch with people. We have a Judge admittedly dining with the so called upper echelons and certainly it doesnt look good but are Judges to be isolated away completely and make them more out of touch.
I know a very high ranking Judge who regularly frequents the local Paddy Power shop and is good for a chat. Most of the punters dont know who he is. I have seen other members of the Judiciary standing on the sideline at their kids rugby, G.A.A. and soccer matches. They attend golf, horse racing, point to points. If Woulfe had just played his golf and fecked off home I dont think there would be any problem. Under normal circumstances this society would play away with business people, politicians, Dail employees.
We will always have the great conspiracy theories but the further you remove people normal social circles the more priveledged thesr people will become

Of course a judge can play golf, go to to watch spots and socialise.

No one is saying they can't do that.

When I saw he was at the dinner I thought only of how a judge should have known that this events was against the rules relating to Covid. I thought nothing other than that.

However, in regards to the rules of how the judiciary should conduct themselves there is clearly something wrong with Woulfe being there other than the dinner. Hence why the are reviewing it.

Happydays2020

seamus wrote: »

He won't, he's finished.

EU Commissioners are appointed on the recommendation of the member state's government. Even if Phil hadn't misled the EU President, he's lost the confidence of his member state. The institutions in Brussels are acutely aware of the optics of this.

Phil will head off now and take up a senior position in some financial company or body.

I think you are right and he is finished. At this stage, him staying will be bad for us and bad for the Commission - his veneer of being sensible disappeared with his notions of heading up the WTO.

Psychiatric Patrick

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

I wish they’d hurry up and conclude this matter once and for all. All those others at the dinner must be loving the distraction and I’m sure their own brazenness has them believing they’ve gotten away unscathed.

I’m not forgetting their part in all this and I hope The Irish Examiner isn’t either.

I don't remember if it was the Examiner ut I read an article last night where the others are getting there cages rattled.

I really thing the Taoiseach should be at least saying something to us about them but maybe he has to wait to hear from the Guards. Or maybe he wants to do want someone say here, go one at a time. Drag it out a bit for us.

Psychiatric Patrick

mick087 wrote: »

Its are if at all you find one judge go against another judge.

We need to know why this judge was there and who's interest was he serving being there.

A retired judge has been brought in to review that very matter.

He may not have been serving any interests and for all we knew he may have been approached for something at the event and told the person to eff off.

However he does appear that he should not have attended, regardless of the reasons, because he is a judge. Just by being there he has called his integrity into question.

mick087

jm08 wrote: »

This is like what the Brits did when in the EU when they messed up. "We did our best to get him sacked, so it up to the EU to sack him." Washing their hands of him. it will all be the EUs fault for the chaos of this Gov.

This chaos and future chaos can be avoided.
Bring Demorachy to the EU citizens, make unelected, selected commissioners accountable to the Citizens of the EU in a democratic EU. Give us the people the Citizens of the EU the vote make them accountable to its citizens not its selected elite.

Loafing Oaf

Cal4567 wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2020/0826/1161345-phil-hogan/

Eamon Ryan rowing in now after Stephen Donnelly provided his tuppence worth earlier. I thought yesterday afternoon Hogan would probably have toughed it out.

Article doesn't mention Ryan making any criticism of the judge. But then the Greens are big fans of wo(u)lves.

sorry, been dying to make that joke for days...

Psychiatric Patrick

jm08 wrote: »

Why did Martin say that the reason he did not have to isolate was because he had been tested? By saying this, he has added to the confusion about what the rules are. does the rules on HSE website state that a second test is required a week later to avoid self isolation.


As for reasons to be in Ireland - he had some meetings (including with Leo) and had a medical procedure so it wasn't all golf.

The "medical intervention" is not why he was here. The need for it arose after he had been here a few days he said.

jm08

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

I don't know how to say it to you that you'll understand but here goes Martin is deemed an essential worker and the quarantine advice does not apply to him. Hogan is not based in Ireland and the quarantine requirement applies to him no exceptions.
Any further queries you have please consult the relevant websites concerned.
As to Hogan's medical procedure, 5 days after he arrived I believe where he was tested. According to an eye witness quoted in the Times he was dining with friends in the restaurant of the K club on the 31st July the day he arrived.
Your defence is admirable but misplaced.

My point remains why if as an essential worker Martin didn't need to isolate he actually took the Covid test and said that since it was negative he didn't have to isolate.


That suggests to me that if you got a negative test result you are clear of covid so don't have to isolate.


This requirement to isolate is a shambles because people are getting off lanes, getting taxis to hotel, booking into hotels, having cleaners in their rooms etc. And more than likely are buying food and eating in restaurants. The essential workers like lorry drivers are passing through several countries, using public facilities, eating in restaurants, etc but I've heard of no cases of there being a problem in this industry. meanwhile, the problem in meat plants is far greater and very little seems to have been done to manage them better..

Psychiatric Patrick

Cal4567 wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2020/0826/1161345-phil-hogan/

Eamon Ryan rowing in now after Stephen Donnelly provided his tuppence worth earlier. I thought yesterday afternoon Hogan would probably have toughed it out. Now, I'm not so sure. We await the puff of white smoke from Brussels.

Interesting analogy with Brexit views in that Eurocrats deem themselves unapproachable.

Our government is going to look fairly silly and benign now if he does get to tough it out. If he does, would he even be considered that seriously again, on these shores?

Our government could also look righteous. They asked for the EU to do the "right thing" and they didn't.'

Like has been said, letting Hogan tough it out makes the EU the very thing the Brexit crowd say it is.

Happydays2020

Psychiatric Patrick wrote: »

A retired judge has been brought in to review that very matter.

He may not have been serving any interests and for all we knew he may have been approached for something at the event and told the person to eff off.

However he does appear that he should not have attended, regardless of the reasons, because he is a judge. Just by being there he has called his integrity into question.

You are right. Judges should keep well away from political events but you could argue that this wasn’t a political event, that it was just a jolly get-together after a golf match,

Psychiatric Patrick

Hawthorn Tree wrote: »

On the side of the M6 motorway? Dear oh dear.

If he wouldn't stop to use the phone I doubt he'd stop to pee either.

golfball37

the purple tin wrote: »

I'm still waiting for you to explain why Ursula Von D is corrupt, Golfball.
You can't just make a statement like that without backing it up you know.

Corrupt may be strong. You have google. Angela sent her to Europe for a reason. She was defense minister and contracts were awarded to a company she alllegedky had ties to. The data pertaining to everything was wiped from her phone (sound familiar) before any investigation could get off the ground

Psychiatric Patrick

screamer wrote: »

Bigger question or concern is how will her decision on Phils fate reflect on her. I’ve said before the worst thing as a leader is for one of your team to lie and you run with that and end up looking foolish. Trust issues are an issue too. But, will she have the guts to sack a trade commissioner with Brexit barrelling down on the EU? Something tells me he’ll be kept on for continuity sake. Money is king to the EU, let’s not forget. Problem Ursula will have is that it will set a bar for her commissioners, and she might regret her decision long term.
Were I his boss, he’d be P45’d for telling porkers and as an example to the rest of the team.

By all accounts she has a lot of guts. Wouldn't have the job otherwise.

And most people in Brussel supposedly think Hogan is an embarrassment because "with Brexit barrelling down on the EU".

And the bar is already high for sacking a commissioner. It is not a easy think to do so it is a question of can she sack him. Tony Connelly explains it in his article on RTÉ from Monday. I don't have the link.

Loafing Oaf

Psychiatric Patrick wrote: »

Of course can play golf, go to to watch spots and socialise.

No one is saying they can't do that.

When I saw he was at the dinner I thought only of how a judge should have known that this events was against the rules relating to Covid. I thought nothing other than that.

However, in regards to the rules of how the judiciary should conduct themselves there is clearly something wrong with Woulfe being there other than the dinner. Hence why the are reviewing it.

I wonder is there an actual 'code of conduct' for judges that puts this sort of thing out of bounds, as it were, or are they just expected to use their 'judgement'?

Psychiatric Patrick

smurgen wrote: »

From the horse's mouth , this is unbelievable.

https://twitter.com/paddycosgrave/status/1298537457621913600?s=19

Who was he talking to there? Did Wilson have that on the radio yesterday ? How is it not the new headline about this?

Jaysus, the swine is just too much.

Psychiatric Patrick

jm08 wrote: »

This is like what the Brits did when in the EU when they messed up. "We did our best to get him sacked, so it up to the EU to sack him." Washing their hands of him. it will all be the EUs fault for the chaos of this Gov.

What other type of fiction do you write beside fantasy and romance ?

screamer

Psychiatric Patrick wrote: »

By all accounts she has a lot of guts. Wouldn't have the job otherwise.

And most people in Brussel supposedly think Hogan is an embarrassment because "with Brexit barrelling down on the EU".

And the bar is already high for sacking a commissioner. It is not a easy think to do so it is a question of can she sack him. Tony Connelly explains it in his article on RTÉ from Monday. I don't have the link.

I was thinking of the low bar it will set, as in lying and fudging is totally acceptable if he is kept on....

Hodors Appletart

Verona on the wireless trying to get back into Fine Gael

Hawthorn Tree

Happydays2020 wrote: »

You are right. Judges should keep well away from political events but you could argue that this wasn’t a political event, that it was just a jolly get-together after a golf match,

The dinner was in honour of the late Mark Killilea who was a well known FF TD

Psychiatric Patrick

Floppybits wrote: »

Its funny that some people seem to think this virus chooses who it infects like anyone going on non essential travel are going to be targeted more than those going on essential travel, or those not socially distancing at one type of funeral will be targeted more than those at another funeral. Its ridiculous and all it is doing is causing confusion and anger amongst the population.

The think is it is not causing anger and confusion.

No one is thinking about it and that really cannot be blamed on the authorities.

Like the publicans. They are giving that they cannot open their business but they don't seem to understand that if they do, it just helps the virus to spread. I understand they are upset, but where is the common sense in wanting the rules to change when dealing with a virus?

Psychiatric Patrick

Cal4567 wrote: »

Senior sources confirmed it remained the view of the Government that Mr Hogan should resign as commissioner, and it is understood that Dr von der Leyen is aware of this.

That quote is directly from the IT website. Reads to me that Ursula von der Leyen has had the conversation with Martin/Varadkar.

They should be asking for him to be sacked.

Psychiatric Patrick

screamer wrote: »

Holy ****..... think I’ll email this to Ursula, she might like to hear it for herself.

I was thinking that but not sure how the email system would react to an attachment on an email.

Gerry Hatrick

Pat Kenny going to bat for Hogan on Newstalk

Psychiatric Patrick

jm08 wrote: »

I said sending an email to the Australian PM would be a waste of time because he is not answerable to me.

Yes and you also said that you believe that an email by you is so significant that it cashed as "interfering" in the working of a foreign state.

You appear to have been in the vicinity of Phil Hogan duing his visit and contracted his egotism.

jm08

Psychiatric Patrick wrote: »

Yes and you also said that you believe that an email by you is so significant that it cashed as "interfering" in the working of a foreign state.

You appear to have been in the vicinity of Phil Hogan doing his visit and contracted his egotism.

I think you are the one with the ego problem if you think the Australian PM will take any notice of a complaint from you or I!


And it is none of our business how Australia penalises its own citizens for breaking the law.

Psychiatric Patrick

Happydays2020 wrote: »

You are right. Judges should keep well away from political events but you could argue that this wasn’t a political event, that it was just a jolly get-together after a golf match,

It was a jolly get together that was a slap in the face to the many people who have followed the lockdown rules.

It was also a jolly get together that his colleagues in the judiciary deem his attendance worthy of investigation.

Psychiatric Patrick

jm08 wrote: »

I think you are the one with the ego problem if you think the Australian PM will take any notice of a complaint from you or I!


And it is none of our business how Australia penalises its own citizens for breaking the law.

I never said I was going to contact the Australian PM and I'm not the one who claimed that doing so would be considered "interfering" in the workings a foreign state.

You posted that.

I'm also not the one who commented on Australian law in the fitwsat place.

You posted that.