PHIL HOGAN NEEDS TO RESIGN.

stockshares

This is gas. Phil Hogan is taking part in Webinar for EU

https://twitter.com/tconnellyRTE/status/1298638826412408832?s=19

Here's the link
https://youtu.be/1EDxfP-AXSA

is_that_so

jm08 wrote: »

It would have to be someone from the present Government as there are very few FFers now with ministerial experience as they have been out of power for about 10 years now.

3, two of them are near the 70 mark and the other is the leader! Frances Fitzgerald could be an option. She's over there anyway!

First Up

mick087 wrote: »

A Minister is first elected to goverment by its citizens they then get a position as a minister.
Being a minister makes you even more accountable than being just a TD


A commissioner is selected never elected by its citizens.

Commissioners are not accountable to the electorate.

Uriel.

stockshares wrote: »

This is gas. Phil Hogan is taking part in Webinar for EU

https://twitter.com/tconnellyRTE/status/1298638826412408832?s=19

Here's the link
https://youtu.be/1EDxfP-AXSA

How is it "gas" that he's doing his job?
Why wouldn't he?
If he wasn't you'd be on here moaning about him not doing the job he's paid for.

ChikiChiki

stockshares wrote: »

This is gas. Phil Hogan is taking part in Webinar for EU

https://twitter.com/tconnellyRTE/status/1298638826412408832?s=19

Here's the link
https://youtu.be/1EDxfP-AXSA

Jaysus - hope that US wan is alright. Bit of a moment there

stockshares

jm08 wrote: »

It has to be ratified by all 27 EU members. So far, Austria has refused to ratify it and both Merkel and Macron have both said its looks like its dead.


https://www.oliveoiltimes.com/business/german-chancellor-casts-doubt-over-landmark-e-u-mercosur-trade-deal/85107

Cynically I was thinking they will let Bolssnaro burn down some more before calling halt. Then they will make a concession towards the Environmentalists by way of an apology and some reparations elsewhere and then Bolsanaro will farm the cleared land and supply Europe.

L1011

Hogan is clearly holding on hoping the media focus moves on to something else now... the drip drip of further stuff he didn't put in his dossier ensures that very little will take the attention off him.

About the only thing that would would be an outbreak in a school, which nobody should be hoping for.

RandomViewer

is_that_so wrote: »

3, two of them are near the 70 mark and the other is the leader! Frances Fitzgerald could be an option. She's over there anyway!

She'd be pension age as well, would a senator qualify?

bmc58

Mrcaramelchoc wrote: »

I for one want him gone.

Many do,myself included.But this man is so arrogant and above the rules we all abide by there is no chance.If I had my way I would take away his citizenship(I know this can't be done) and ban him from Ireland.He has for most of his career treated rules with contempt.Leo must be proud for nominating him for Europe.

L1011

jm08 wrote: »

It would have to be someone from the present Government as there are very few FFers now with ministerial experience as they have been out of power for about 10 years now.

FFs last appointee wasn't even a sitting TD (MGQ) remember.

It'll be a woman, almost certainly.

stockshares

Uriel. wrote: »

How is it "gas" that he's doing his job?
Why wouldn't he?
If he wasn't you'd be on here moaning about him not doing the job he's paid for.

It's gas because he should have been sacked by now.

Happydays2020

L1011 wrote: »

FFs last appointee wasn't even a sitting TD (MGQ) remember.

It'll be a woman, almost certainly.

The former SG of the Commission and former EU Ambassador to the US (David O’Sullivan) has been mentioned as an Irish candidate who would allow us to keep the Trade portfolio.

is_that_so

RandomViewer wrote: »

She'd be pension age as well, would a senator qualify?

Thought she was younger than 70. A new Commissioner would just replace the outgoing one as the EP only votes on the full Commission and not individuals.

RandomViewer

is_that_so wrote: »

Thought she was younger than 70. A new Commissioner would just replace the outgoing one as the EP only votes on the full Commission and not individuals.

1 August 1950

L1011

Happydays2020 wrote: »

The former SG of the Commission and former EU Ambassador to the US (David O’Sullivan) has been mentioned as an Irish candidate who would allow us to keep the Trade portfolio.

Decent choice if they don't go for a woman - we were asked to put forward a woman last time and, well, didn't.

jm08

L1011 wrote: »

FFs last appointee wasn't even a sitting TD (MGQ) remember.

It'll be a woman, almost certainly.

Maire Geoghegan-Quinn?


She had been a minister though (Justice & Tourism). You don't have to be a sitting TD.

stockshares

L1011 wrote: »

Decent choice if they don't go for a woman - we were asked to put forward a woman last time and, well, didn't.

What was the reason given?

stockshares

jm08 wrote: »

Maire Geoghegan-Quinn?


She had been a minister though (Justice & Tourism). You don't have to be a sitting TD.

Shes the female version of Phil Hogan. Google her, nasty and entitled.

Muahahaha

Mercosur, there's another.

Hogan didnt implement Mercosur but he does support it and has said as much. If Brazilian beef ends up on Irish supermarket shelves there will be war with the farmers. Why should they be implementing higher standards in beef farming and traceability of food if the Brazilians can just come in and undercut them anyway.

Hawthorn Tree wrote: »

How did Hogan afford an apartment in the K Club? They cost 420,000 Euros.

Details of Hogans property borrowings came out in 2012. Hogan is very much part of the Golden Circle and like many politicians he had access to cheap interest only loans from Michael Fingleton of the now defunct Irish Nationawide Bank. Fingleton ran an account called the 'No.3 account' which had millions in it ready to lend out to politicians at very low interest rates or interest only rates. There was little to no paperwork or due diligence for these loans and a politician could ring up Fingeton himself personally and borrow hundreds of thousands over the phone. As a quid pro quo Fingleton got the light touch/no touch regulation that he wanted for the banking sector and which ultimately led to the taxpayer having to bail them out to the tune of 5.4 billion

Irish Nationwide had a special bank account called the 'No. 3 account' which was used to immediately disburse funds when required for sensitive situations.
The account was jointly controlled by Michael Fingleton, the building society's boss, and just one other member of staff between 2002 and 2008. It could make payments without formal limits and was used for purposes including granting loans to politically sensitive figures or for the settlement of disputes.
The existence of this unorthodox bank account was one of many unusual practices identified by forensic accountants from Ernst & Young, who were asked to trawl through the society by the State, post the bank guarantee.

https://www.independent.ie/business/irish/fingleton-used-special-account-for-politically-sensitive-loans-29090497.html

Here is where Phil benefits from the No.3 account set up by Michael Fingeton

Phil Hogan, the minister responsible for collecting the household charge, availed of "soft" loans of close to €900,000 that were approved by toxic building society boss Michael Fingleton who has cost the State €5.4bn.
Hogan's unorthodox loans were personally approved by Fingleton to allow him buy a pied-a-terre house in Dublin 4 and a luxurious penthouse in Portugal using two interest- only loans of at least a decade each, an aggressive equity release, and what appears to have been, for his final loan, minimal paperwork.
Hogan joins a host of politicians -- from Charlie McCreevy, the ex-Finance Minister who helped create Ireland's property bubble, to Francie O'Brien, the ex-senator who was also a business partner of Fingleton -- who availed of the building society boss's loans.

https://www.independent.ie/business/irish/nationwides-soft-loan-to-hogan-26873373.html

Theres a book called 'Fingers' by Tom Lyons and Richard Curran. In it they also revealed that during the Celtic Tiger Phil Hogans constituency office was located inside a building that was both owned by Irish Nationwide and had a branch of the bank inside it. So they were renting him an office and also giving him cheap bargain loans whenever he wanted them.

L1011

jm08 wrote: »

Maire Geoghegan-Quinn?


She had been a minister though (Justice & Tourism). You don't have to be a sitting TD.

Sutherland wasn't a Minister, nor was David Byrne. They had both been AG, though.

I don't think we can send Woulfe!

ChikiChiki

Big Phil has been called away to do something else. Could be an escort off the premises :pac:

jm08

Happydays2020 wrote: »

The former SG of the Commission and former EU Ambassador to the US (David O’Sullivan) has been mentioned as an Irish candidate who would allow us to keep the Trade portfolio.

He would be an excellent choice as he knows his way around Washington very well. Its interesting to see in that webinar that Hogan is participating in has two Irish people representing the EU (Mairead McGuinness is also to take part). The EU want to be able to use the Irish relationship with the US to improve relationships there.

jm08

L1011 wrote: »

Sutherland wasn't a Minister, nor was David Byrne. They had both been AG, though.

I don't think we can send Woulfe!

That would be gas if we did!

caveat emptor

jm08 wrote: »

Maire Geoghegan-Quinn?


She had been a minister though (Justice & Tourism). You don't have to be a sitting TD.

So you can be anybody? Why don't we put forward someone with real proven ability like ....... Niall Quinn?

He's proven to put them under pressure and he's good in the air.

Zebra3

Muahahaha wrote: »

Hogan didnt implement Mercosur but he does support it and has said as much. If Brazilian beef ends up on Irish supermarket shelves there will be war with the farmers. Why should they be implementing higher standards in beef farming and traceability of food if the Brazilians can just come in and undercut them anyway.



Details of Hogans property borrowings came out in 2012. Hogan is very much part of the Golden Circle and like many politicians he had access to cheap interest only loans from Michael Fingleton of the now defunct Irish Nationawide Bank. Fingleton ran an account called the 'No.3 account' which had millions in it ready to lend out to politicians at very low interest rates or interest only rates. There was little to no paperwork or due diligence for these loans and a politician could ring up Fingeton himself personally and borrow hundreds of thousands over the phone. As a quid pro quo Fingleton got the light touch/no touch regulation that he wanted for the banking sector and which ultimately led to the taxpayer having to bail them out to the tune of 5.4 billion

https://www.independent.ie/business/irish/fingleton-used-special-account-for-politically-sensitive-loans-29090497.html

Here is where Phil benefits from the No.3 account set up by Michael Fingeton

https://www.independent.ie/business/irish/nationwides-soft-loan-to-hogan-26873373.html

Theres a book called 'Fingers' by Tom Lyons and Richard Curran. In it they also revealed that during the Celtic Tiger Phil Hogans constituency office was located inside a building that was both owned by Irish Nationwide and had a branch of the bank inside it. So they were renting him an office and also giving him cheap bargain loans whenever he wanted them.

In a proper democracy, with ethical guidelines sworn to, a politician would go to jail for all that.

jm08

Zebra3 wrote: »

In a proper democracy, with ethical guidelines sworn to, a politician would go to jail for all that.

The problem was Fingleton and lack of regulation by the Central Bank. There would be an awful lot of people in jail if by taking a loan (even if at special low rates) and repaying it is somehow unethical. If he wasn't repaying the money, then there would be a problem.

tigger123

jm08 wrote: »

The problem was Fingleton and lack of regulation by the Central Bank. There would be an awful lot of people in jail if by taking a loan (even if at special low rates) and repaying it is somehow unethical. If he wasn't repaying the money, then there would be a problem.

It was privileged access by a golden circle that ultimately contributed to the economy going over the edge of a cliff.

But sure, nothing to see here. Be grand.

Cilldara_2000

I don't think there has been sufficient discussion of the cack handed attempt by the three wise men to force the Commission President's hand. This is disgraceful IMO. Public statements etc are bad form. It's not their gig to dismiss commissioners and they should have just said that they were disappointed but his job is not in their hands. By calling for his head, they will look like the fools they are when he's not sacked.

I'm surprised at Leo making this mistake, the other two not so much.

mick087

Happydays2020 wrote: »

Our Taoiseach is not elected by the people. He is nominated and elected by the Parliament who are elected by the people.

Micheal Martin received around 11000 votes. The electorate is 3.5 million.

I said Our Taoiseach was an elected member of goverment i did not say he was elected as Taoiseach.

Minister and the Taoiseach are first elected as TD to goverment before roles are given. Ministers and the Taoiseach are more accountable to its citizens than a TD,

No EU commissioner is elected they are selected they are not accountable to its citizens.
Phil Hogan is proving how accountable to its citizens the EU unelected commissioners are.

mickdw

Cilldara_2000 wrote: »

I don't think there has been sufficient discussion of the cack handed attempt by the three wise men to force the Commission President's hand. This is disgraceful IMO. Public statements etc are bad form. It's not their gig to dismiss commissioners and they should have just said that they were disappointed but his job is not in their hands. By calling for his head, they will look like the fools they are when he's not sacked.

I'm surprised at Leo making this mistake, the other two not so much.

More like they will look like the 3 wise men being right early on whereas Hogans boss will come out of it looking silly by saying nothing to see here until it finally gets to the point where he will be asked to resign as more and more facts come out.