Oceans 11 Werewolf Game Thread

Abigail WW

Clodagh WW wrote: »

ATM, i have no reason to think that nigel is bad, so saying frank and abigail are good does not wash with me. Frank was my preferred vote, but due to not knowing what 'post sequence number method was, i self presed.


You have not included frank in your 5 people, which was on two until i moved off to self pres.

steve, clodagh, frank, nigel, holly, mary.

using you logic,

if nigel bad, then frank and abigail good,

we can also do,

if frank bad, vernon and clodagh good,

and as we know I'm good, we have more reason to believe frank is bad than good.

Vernon WW wrote: »

Group of evils AND Benedicts goons. Did we dismiss an SK team too quickly?

Its not mentioned in the OP, in fact its very clear

The wolves will win when they can no longer be mathematically beaten. The village will win when they have eliminated all the wolves. There is no neutral faction in this game. You either count for wolf or villager parity.

Gabriel WW

Henry WW wrote: »

I am 100% village and you all know it.

How would we know it?

Vernon WW

Abigail WW wrote: »

Its not mentioned in the OP, in fact its very clear

The wolves will win when they can no longer be mathematically beaten. The village will win when they have eliminated all the wolves. There is no neutral faction in this game. You either count for wolf or villager parity.

Task for an extra kill perhaps?

Abigail WW

Vernon WW wrote: »

Task for an extra kill perhaps?

Could be, either way dont think its too important. Bad guys killed good gal

Barbara WW

Henry WW wrote: »

I am 100% village and you all know it.

Its grand, you can't be lynched dunno why your self preserving with that vote given your unlynchable.

You've two wolves to give the village apparently but you've done nothing but talk smack

Vernon WW

Abigail WW wrote: »

Could be, either way dont think its too important. Bad guys killed good gal

Yeah, I'm never too keen to dismiss anything like that. And only one gal was definitively good.

Vernon WW

Reading through a lot of stuff that's saying Nigel was being protected. Where are you all getting that from? Is that why he has so many votes? The OP specifically states that ties will be decided by mod, not by the last vote cast.

Gabriel WW

Its 630 and my FFA remains Orla, Nigel and Clo.

I may switch off Nigel to one of the other two. But I doubt Ill deviate from my FFA.

Unless something major happens.

Abigail WW

Orla WW wrote: »

Clodagh I never got the chance to ask last night but why did you try to goad me into changing votes in the last 20 minutes last night to Frank and then you changed your vote off him in the last minute?

Were you afraid I or someone else might actually jump onto him there in the end so you wanted to get out first?

I’m in work today but I’ll get on when I can and will be freed up in the evening time so can respond to anything then

This comment this morning stands out also. I had a look back and can't see any time where Clodagh tries to get Orla to vote for Frank. Orla kinda gets wrapped up in a ball over Clodagh and Frank being wolf team-mates.
In fact Orla wants to start a CFD on Clodagh

Orla WW wrote: »

Clodagh I had considered voting for Frank in the beginning but he hasn't been here to defend himself and wolf lean or not I don't play shady like that but would you look here now I have my own wagon going.

Anyone care to jump on the Clodagh train? Choo choo

Not sure too much can be read into it, just seems off the wall paranoid really. Or maybe I'm missing an interaction somewhere that ties it all together

Mary WW

Abigail WW wrote: »

@Mary - you also claim here to have voted to "save" Henry, its the first time you mention it @9:18. Today you're saying you were always on Holly. These things don't add up. You're essentially claiming above that you changed your vote to save Henry. Today you changed your vote cause you were always going to. Which is it?

i was always going to vote holly. did me switching from riona to holly save henry?

i dont think so. but by not voting him, i did play a role in not condemning him.

Mary WW

Vernon WW wrote: »

Reading through a lot of stuff that's saying Nigel was being protected. Where are you all getting that from? Is that why he has so many votes? The OP specifically states that ties will be decided by mod, not by the last vote cast.

1st i've heard of protection

Abigail WW

Vernon WW wrote: »

Reading through a lot of stuff that's saying Nigel was being protected. Where are you all getting that from? Is that why he has so many votes? The OP specifically states that ties will be decided by mod, not by the last vote cast.

I started that by incorrectly assuming that last vote cast had the deciding vote. I will also say that on my reread Clodagh is aware that this is not the case, so her last minute change, is slightly less dodgy

Vernon WW

Mary WW wrote: »

1st i've heard of protection

People are saying that the last minute switches to Holly were to protect Nigel but they are basing that on the idea that Nigel would have been the one lynched in the 6(?) way tie based on last vote cast, which is not true.

Gabriel WW

Orla, you are on my FFA.... what are thoughts on that

Mary WW

Abigail WW wrote: »

This comment this morning stands out also. I had a look back and can't see any time where Clodagh tries to get Orla to vote for Frank. Orla kinda gets wrapped up in a ball over Clodagh and Frank being wolf team-mates.
In fact Orla wants to start a CFD on Clodagh




Not sure too much can be read into it, just seems off the wall paranoid really. Or maybe I'm missing an interaction somewhere that ties it all together

i'm not even sure whats going on there!

Abigail WW

Mary WW wrote: »

i was always going to vote holly. did me switching from riona to holly save henry?

i dont think so. but by not voting him, i did play a role in not condemning him.

So you can see why I would bring up a post where you claim to have saved him?

Gabriel WW

Abigail WW wrote: »

This comment this morning stands out also. I had a look back and can't see any time where Clodagh tries to get Orla to vote for Frank. Orla kinda gets wrapped up in a ball over Clodagh and Frank being wolf team-mates.
In fact Orla wants to start a CFD on Clodagh




Not sure too much can be read into it, just seems off the wall paranoid really. Or maybe I'm missing an interaction somewhere that ties it all together

So ultimately, whats your thoughts on Orla?

Abigail WW

Gabriel WW wrote: »

So ultimately, whats your thoughts on Orla?

Let me get to the end of my reread and I'll do an FFA

Vernon WW

Abigail WW wrote: »

This comment this morning stands out also. I had a look back and can't see any time where Clodagh tries to get Orla to vote for Frank. Orla kinda gets wrapped up in a ball over Clodagh and Frank being wolf team-mates.
In fact Orla wants to start a CFD on Clodagh




Not sure too much can be read into it, just seems off the wall paranoid really. Or maybe I'm missing an interaction somewhere that ties it all together

I'm pretty sure this is the post Orla is referring to:

Clodagh WW wrote: »

If when you see that my wagon is gonna fail, then jump onto the frank wagon, that way, we save the villager henry and kill the wolf frank. That way all the reasoning in your silly post disappears and we have lynched a wolf.

Otherwise, stick on my failing wagon, and not join a proper wagon. It seems from you line of thought that you think henry is a vilager, so you wont be going there, right, that would be against your line of thought, but would you join a wagon that your wolf read is on? oh, you're stuck, you can't really join either frank or henry, as you have made that stale, so you will sit on a useless non wagon.

Mary WW

Vernon WW wrote: »

People are saying that the last minute switches to Holly were to protect Nigel but they are basing that on the idea that Nigel would have been the one lynched in the 6(?) way tie based on last vote cast, which is not true.

that...there were 5 people with 2/3 votes who were in danger of being lynched. 1 died (holly). 3 others henry 'cleared'. that means the only other on the line was nigel.

i was saying, that if nigel flips red, you can clear the 2 people who voted for him last night.

the 2 late switches to holly. i think nigel would have been gone if not for those.

the 2 switches were clodagh and steve. some had the theory, they switched so as to prevent nigel being lynched; but henry also has those 2 'cleared' above.

cleared in '', because i'm no longer sure where we stand on that.

Gabriel WW

I think I may switch to Orla as she not engaging at all.

Barbara WW

Mary WW wrote: »

that...there were 5 people with 2/3 votes who were in danger of being lynched. 1 died (holly). 3 others henry 'cleared'. that means the only other on the line was nigel.

i was saying, that if nigel flips red, you can clear the 2 people who voted for him last night.

the 2 late switches to holly. i think nigel would have been gone if not for those.

the 2 switches were clodagh and steve. some had the theory, they switched so as to prevent nigel being lynched; but henry also has those 2 'cleared' above.

cleared in '', because i'm no longer sure where we stand on that.

You can't depend on Henry's clear unfortunately!

That said the lynch Nigel clearing the two who voted him if he flips red isn't the worst idea

Barbara WW

Barbara WW wrote: »

You can't depend on Henry's clear unfortunately!

That said the lynch Nigel clearing the two who voted him if he flips red isn't the worst idea

Just to note, same point applies to anyone else on two votes in my mind, so we could lynch from those

Rikand

Day 2: Automated Votals from #41 to #60

Nigel WW (3): Gabriel WW, Mary WW, Henry WW
Mary WW (1): Oisin WW
Henry WW (3): Steve WW, Barbara WW, Wendy WW
Orla WW (1): Frank WW
Gabriel WW (1): Clodagh WW
Not voting (6): Abigail WW, Nigel WW, Orla WW, Phil WW, Katie WW, Vernon WW

Phase ends in 2h12m.

Gabriel WW

So Henry as switch to Nigel. God knows why

Mary WW

Barbara WW wrote: »

You can't depend on Henry's clear unfortunately!

That said the lynch Nigel clearing the two who voted him if he flips red isn't the worst idea

the nigel theory was based off henry's clearing of the 3 holly voters.

if thats out the window, then the same logic applies to everyone with 2/3 votes

Mary WW

Fiona WW (1): Katie WW
Holly WW (3): Mary WW, Steve WW, Clodagh WW
Katie WW (1): Phil WW
Nigel WW (2): Frank WW, Abigail WW
Mary WW (2): Nigel WW, Holly WW
Clodagh WW (2): Orla WW, Barbara WW
Steve WW (2): Oisin WW, Gabriel WW
Frank WW (1): Vernon WW
Henry WW (1): Henry WW
Barbara WW (1): Fiona WW
Not voting (2): Riona WW, Wendy WW

last nights votes.

so i'm gonna work on the assumption that whoever voted for someone with 2 votes are not on the same team.

ie: nigel not on a team with frank or abigail
mary not on a team with nigel or holly
clodagh not on a team with orla or barbara
steve not on a team with oisin or gabriel

which of those 4 voted on wagons (to self preserve?)
nigel on mary
mary on holly
clodagh on holly
steve on holly

i dont know where i'm going with this, but someone might spot something! :P

Gabriel WW

Mary WW wrote: »

Fiona WW (1): Katie WW
Holly WW (3): Mary WW, Steve WW, Clodagh WW
Katie WW (1): Phil WW
Nigel WW (2): Frank WW, Abigail WW
Mary WW (2): Nigel WW, Holly WW
Clodagh WW (2): Orla WW, Barbara WW
Steve WW (2): Oisin WW, Gabriel WW
Frank WW (1): Vernon WW
Henry WW (1): Henry WW
Barbara WW (1): Fiona WW
Not voting (2): Riona WW, Wendy WW

last nights votes.

so i'm gonna work on the assumption that whoever voted for someone with 2 votes are not on the same team.

ie: nigel not on a team with frank or abigail
mary not on a team with nigel or holly
clodagh not on a team with orla or barbara
steve not on a team with oisin or gabriel

which of those 4 voted on wagons (to self preserve?)
nigel on mary
mary on holly
clodagh on holly
steve on holly

i dont know where i'm going with this, but someone might spot something! :P

Things may become clearer after the vote later.

Gabriel WW

Mary WW wrote: »

the nigel theory was based off henry's clearing of the 3 holly voters.

if thats out the window, then the same logic applies to everyone with 2/3 votes

Its hard to trust Henry, he .....whether village or not,....... hasnt been playing in the villages best interests. Ir it at least appears that way.

Barbara WW

Nigel WW (2): Frank WW, Abigail WW
Mary WW (2): Nigel WW, Holly WW
Clodagh WW (2): Orla WW, Barbara WW
Steve WW (2): Oisin WW, Gabriel WW

I'm in the same process but it doesn't work really, I was thinking we run the 4 off and vote here, a red flip gives us two green villagers except Mary as Holly is dead but no way to narrow it down really, Nigel is the one who seems to be getting most heat. Personally I was on Clodagh and Steve made my wolfy list. Out of those I think Nigel gives us the best info in the event of a red flip but green and we are in trouble

I still prefer to get Henry off the board tbh but not sure what to do