Covid 19 Part XXII-30,360 in ROI(1,781 deaths) 8,035 in NI (568 deaths)(10/09)Read OP

Funsterdelux

NIMAN wrote: »

Not sure if this is a serious reply or being sarcastic?

There could be more than 6 people in ICU today due to car crashes or something else.

I think 6 is an amazing figure...out of 5.5 million.

It was both. Sarcastic and serious, we did a **** job at the start and its continuing.

We're talking about 6 icu covid patients though right?

In this day and age most car crashes could be prevented too. It all leads back to the same thing, economy/consumerism.

Im just cranky

SeaBreezes

wadacrack wrote: »

It means it could be an endemic disease. That's a very naive outlook to have on it.

It was always going to be endemic.

But having had it once 2nd strain was asymptomatic. That means he had a form of defense to it.

Therefore one strain can give some protection against another.

Means herd immunity is possible?

stephenjmcd

wadacrack wrote: »

Devastating news . Hopefully not a common occurrence

https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1297881830025297920

Wouldn't exactly call it devastating.
1 case out of how many ??

If it was common you'd see much much more of this already.

Doesn't really change much in terms of vaccine development either which I suspect will eventually become much like the yearly flu vaccine.

Sierra Oscar

SeaBreezes wrote: »

It was always going to be endemic.

But having had it once 2nd strain was asymptomatic. That means he had a form of defense to it.

Therefore one strain can give some protection against another.

Means herd immunity is possible?

Herd immunity works by not being able to catch the virus after already having contracted it. The hint is in the word immunity - if you can still get it then you're not immune to it.

If you have it you can spread it. That's not herd immunity. He might be asymptomatic, but doesn't mean a person he comes into contact with won't end up in ICU.

hmmm

SeaBreezes wrote: »

Means herd immunity is possible?

Of course it is, ignore the "herd immunity is now impossible" talk.

This report tells us nothing about the effectiveness of a vaccine which is designed to generate a robust immune response.

Polar101

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Dublin’s incidence is higher than ~16/17 other counties. It’s a worry. Dominating the figures again.

Not everyone thinks a 0.5% increase in cases means it's time to lockdown.

Oranage2

Getting crazy now, numbers at a massive level, hospitalizations up, thousands marching against the government. Schools opening will cause even more discontent. FF had their chance and they blew it, every decision they made was wrong and their wait and see approach has made the people to lose confidence in them. It's game over and we need a restart

darjeeling

Eod100 wrote: »

Not sure if this has to be peer reviewed yet and hopefully very small number of cases. https://twitter.com/KarenGrepin/status/1297841334900756480?s=19

This is the proof we've been waiting for - a clear case where the virus genome sequenced the second time round was unambiguously different from the first time.

Scientists have been speculating since the start of this pandemic about the long-term future of this virus, wondering if it eventually become another seasonally circulating common cold coronavirus.
Immunity is not binary, and the thinking is that immunity resulting from initial infection may wane over time but not wholly disappear.
Re-infection could result in a minor infection of the upper airway that does not progress to the more severe forms of disease that we're seeing now in some patients on initial infection.
People re-infected would gain a boost to their immunity, again preventing infection for months to years until the next time.

Although this is only a sample size of one and we don't yet have the paper, news reports are saying that the person re-infected did not have symptoms and was - presumably - picked up on routine border testing.

The 33-year-old IT worker was cleared of Covid-19 and discharged from a hospital in April. He tested positive for the virus again after returning from Spain earlier this month.
https://news.rthk.hk/rthk/en/component/k2/1545589-20200824.htm

The 33-year-old man had only mild symptoms the first time, and no symptoms this time around. The reinfection was discovered when he returned from a trip to Spain, the researchers said, and the virus they sequenced closely matched the strain circulating in Europe in July and August.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/24/world/covid-19-coronavirus.html#link-6d6b8cdd

bb1234567

It is very discouraging news that reinfection is possible, it does put future prospects in question, I mean like a year down the line, or longer, that seems very uncertain now. But for the foreseeable, herd immunity looks possible, several Indian cities certainly appear to have achieved herd immunity.

Goldengirl

SeaBreezes wrote: »

It was always going to be endemic.

But having had it once 2nd strain was asymptomatic. That means he had a form of defense to it.

Therefore one strain can give some protection against another.

Means herd immunity is possible?

It is good that he was asymptomatic the second time .

I am not sure that that means it is because he has some defenses against it , as if that was so he wouldn't be reinfected by the same virus . Unless it's a mutation?

Too many questions...

Having just read darjeeling post there , that answers some of them , thanks d

Polar101

bb1234567 wrote: »

It is very discouraging news that reinfection is possible, it does put future prospects in question, I mean like a year down the line, or longer, that seems very uncertain now. But for the foreseeable, herd immunity looks possible, several Indian cities certainly appear to have achieved herd immunity.

I saw that study where they said 50% had been infected in Pune. Are they still reporting a lot of new cases? Would be interesting to see those numbers in such a big city (pop. 7.4 million).

Goldengirl

Oranage2 wrote: »

Getting crazy now, numbers at a massive level, hospitalizations up, thousands marching against the government. Schools opening will cause even more discontent. FF had their chance and they blew it, every decision they made was wrong and their wait and see approach has made the people to lose confidence in them. It's game over and we need a restart

Thousands are not marching .
It is worrying the up tick in cases and admissions , but not crazy yet .
Yes about FF though

Gerry Hatrick

Gerry Hatrick wrote: »

Game changer. Herd immunity not an option now.

Miss the part "he was asymptomatic during the 2nd infection". Immunity is not a binary thing. With most infections some will get full immunity, some partial immunity or resistance as we have seen with this individual and some no immunity whatsoever. All indications is that a good immune response will be triggered in the vast majority of those infected to either prevent reinfection of reduce the impact of reinfection.

But by all means - the sky is falling

Non solum non ambulabit

hmmm wrote: »

Not sure I'd describe it as "devastating". If this was common we'd be seeing a lot more of it. The first infection he was hospitalised, the second he was asymptomatic.

Agreed. The panic in some posters is worrying. What have we become as a people.

Reinfection will always be a rare as anything. 1 in a million chance. Also it won't be anything as severe I would contend.

TonyMaloney

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Miss the part "he was asymptomatic during the 2nd infection". Immunity is not a binary thing. With most infections some will get full immunity, some partial immunity or resistance as we have seen with this individual and some no immunity whatsoever. All indications is that a good immune response will be triggered in the vast majority of those infected to either prevent reinfection of reduce the impact of reinfection.

But by all means - the sky is falling

Well in terms of protecting the most vulnerable it means that the like if Sweden is in the same boat as the rest of us - waiting on a vaccine.

stephenjmcd

Oranage2 wrote: »

Getting crazy now, numbers at a massive level, hospitalizations up, thousands marching against the government. Schools opening will cause even more discontent. FF had their chance and they blew it, every decision they made was wrong and their wait and see approach has made the people to lose confidence in them. It's game over and we need a restart

Crazy is a bit of an overstatement.

Based on case numbers, hospitalisations are relatively low. Nothing crazy or out of hand.

Thousands marching ? Come on now that's not thousands in Dublin, the same few that have been out every Saturday for the last few weeks.

Agree on the FF part, not exactly been inspiring confidence

spookwoman

Hub Numbers
27 (+6) Cases In Hospital (8am)
1 Admission to hospital in the last 24 hrs
0 Discharges from hospital in the last 24 hrs

6 Cases in ICU (11am and 7.30pm)
1 Admission to ICU in the last 24 hrs
1 Discharge from ICU in the last 24 hrs

Goldengirl

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Miss the part "he was asymptomatic during the 2nd infection". Immunity is not a binary thing. With most infections some will get full immunity, some partial immunity or resistance as we have seen with this individual and some no immunity whatsoever. All indications is that a good immune response will be triggered in the vast majority of those infected to either prevent reinfection of reduce the impact of reinfection.

But by all means - the sky is falling

Interesting thing is up to now the research has been showing us that those who had a more severe infection would probably have a stronger immune response .
In this person it doesn't appear to be the case .
However it is , just one case .

Goldengirl

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Crazy is a bit of an overstatement.

Based on case numbers, hospitalisations are relatively low. Nothing crazy or out of hand.

Thousands marching ? Come on now that's not thousands in Dublin, the same few that have been out every Saturday for the last few weeks.

Agree on the FF part, not exactly been inspiring confidence

You are a rock of sense !

Onesea

yourdeadwright wrote: »

147 cases today folks
73 in Dublin
17 kildare
12 offaly
11 Wicklow
4 Laois

Practically irrelevant information.
147 test positive out of x tests during x date and x date.

Everyday there will be various numbers released, but how much longer are people willing to ignore empty hospitals.

Nearly September now folks.

TonyMaloney

TonyMaloney wrote: »

Well in terms of protecting the most vulnerable it means that the like if Sweden is in the same boat as the rest of us - waiting on a vaccine.

All a vaccine is is a short cut to herd immunity. In the same way, people who are vaccinated may get mild or asymptomatic infections. A lot of the talk I am hearing about the covid vaccines in particular is that they will produce a n immune response, and will protect most who get it from a serious infection, but will not guarantee that everyone will be 100% immune.

Non solum non ambulabit

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

Herd immunity works by not being able to catch the virus after already having contracted it. The hint is in the word immunity - if you can still get it then you're not immune to it.

If you have it you can spread it. That's not herd immunity. He might be asymptomatic, but doesn't mean a person he comes into contact with won't end up in ICU.

Herd immunity just needs between 40% and 60% of people to be immune

Goldengirl

Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »

Herd immunity just needs between 25% and 60% of people to be immune

No .
It is at least 40 to 60 per cent .

ShyMets

Goldengirl wrote: »

You are a rock of sense !

We don't want sense. We want hysteria and lots fu*king of it

Onesea

Gerry Hatrick wrote: »

Game changer. Herd immunity not an option now.

Game changer?

Not at all. He was sick without any symptoms.
Half of Africa should be wiped out already.

timmy_mallet

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

Herd immunity works by not being able to catch the virus after already having contracted it. The hint is in the word immunity - if you can still get it then you're not immune to it.

If you have it you can spread it. That's not herd immunity. He might be asymptomatic, but doesn't mean a person he comes into contact with won't end up in ICU.

Er, you could be immune/vaccinated, but a virus could be living on your hands and you might not become ill, yet pass it to someone. Immunity doesn't mean you destroy a virus the moment it touches yer person.

Hong Kong example above, was he ill from the re-infection? This might be my ignorance on display here, but if the test proved the existence of COVID-19 that's all it did, not that he became ill from it.

Non solum non ambulabit

Goldengirl wrote: »

No .
It is at least 40 to 60 per cent .

Thanks edit. Point therefore stands that even if half of people never developed immunity we would still achieve herd immunity.

khalessi

timmy_mallet wrote: »

Er, you could be immune/vaccinated, but a virus could be living on your hands and you might not become ill, yet pass it to someone. Immunity doesn't mean you destroy a virus the moment it touches yer person.

Hong Kong example above, was he ill from the re-infection? This might be my ignorance on display here, but if the test proved the existence of COVID-19 that's all it did, not that he became ill from it.

If this is the same HK example two different strains of the virus apparently

https://news.rthk.hk/rthk/en/component/k2/1545589-20200824.htm

timmy_mallet

TonyMaloney wrote: »

Well in terms of protecting the most vulnerable it means that the like if Sweden is in the same boat as the rest of us - waiting on a vaccine.

I think they said that from day one, but.

Gerry Hatrick

bb1234567 wrote: »

It is very discouraging news that reinfection is possible, it does put future prospects in question, I mean like a year down the line, or longer, that seems very uncertain now. But for the foreseeable, herd immunity looks possible, several Indian cities certainly appear to have achieved herd immunity.

Which one's?