Covid 19 Part XXII-30,360 in ROI(1,781 deaths) 8,035 in NI (568 deaths)(10/09)Read OP

caveat emptor

Good article in ft.

https://www.ft.com/content/6a5e61f5-7a35-4ad9-b57d-98f1dfa107ad

Ultimately, epidemiologists say, the data is still too incomplete to provide a simple answer as why Spain is suffering higher coronavirus rates than anywhere else in Europe. But the bigger question is whether the country will remain an extreme case or serve as a harbinger of what awaits the rest of the continent.

Worst case rate in Europe by far.



Cases were in young first then old.


Positivity through the roof.


Low deaths so far.

is_that_so

IHaveTheFlag wrote: »

It's a problem and it's mostly down to people's greed. The health services are underfunded but think of all the money that's wasted on illnesses that are 100% preventable. But of course it's everyone else's fault. It always is.

It's a whole lot more complicated than a simplistic claim of just greed. We have specific relationships with food and one could argue that too is an illness to be treated.

Pitch n Putt

So the meat plant testing is being paused until next week in order to use resources elsewhere

Where’s our 100000 testing capability now that Paul Reid HSE was banging on about for weeks and weeks?

This was his big mantra when he knew the demand would never be met this was around end of July.

Now the demand is needed surprise surprise we can’t meet it.

podgeandrodge

patnor1011 wrote: »

I wonder how many of current positive cases are not really positive?

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/29/health/coronavirus-testing.html

Times says that PCR tests are “diagnosing huge numbers of people who may be carrying relatively insignificant amounts of the virus,” the fact of the matter is that PCR tests are diagnosing huge numbers of people who have none of the virus at all.

Testing data from Massachusetts, New York, Nevada, and elsewhere shows that upwards of 90 percent of people who test positive for the Wuhan coronavirus (COVID-19) are not actually infected with it.

mandrake04 wrote: »

You should write a strongly worded letter to the Irish government explaining that Ireland only really had 3000 cases, the other 27,000 were not infected at all.

What's with the sarcasm? Patnor wasn't suggesting a conspiracy theory or anything from what I see? It seems like a reasonable article suggesting figures might possibly be inflated somewhat?

Gael23

Pitch n Putt wrote: »

So the meat plant testing is being paused until next week in order to use resources elsewhere

Where’s our 100000 testing capability now that Paul Reid HSE was banging on about for weeks and weeks?

This was his big mantra when he knew the demand would never be met this was around end of July.

Now the demand is needed surprise surprise we can’t meet it.

Will be blamed on annual leave by staff or something I’m sure

Happydays2020

is_that_so wrote: »

It's a whole lot more complicated than a simplistic claim of just greed. We have specific relationships with food and one could argue that too is an illness to be treated.

And even then that is not straightforward.

- should we even call some of what is sold as food?
- should we continue to allow zero VAT rates on heavily processed foods? How can it be reclassified?
- is it a combination of factors including excess consumption of processed foods combined with sugary drinks, alcohol and a sedentary lifestyle.

is_that_so

Pitch n Putt wrote: »

So the meat plant testing is being paused until next week in order to use resources elsewhere

Where’s our 100000 testing capability now that Paul Reid HSE was banging on about for weeks and weeks?

This was his big mantra when he knew the demand would never be met this was around end of July.

Now the demand is needed surprise surprise we can’t meet it.

They are doing 12-13k a day X 7 ...

is_that_so

podgeandrodge wrote: »

What's with the sarcasm? Patnor wasn't suggesting a conspiracy theory or anything from what I see? It seems like a reasonable article suggesting figures might possibly be inflated somewhat?

It depends on the type of test used. We know about this and as mentioned earlier on the thread it was highlighted internationally as an issue as early as April. De Gascun has drawn attention to the possibility of it more than once.

mandrake04

caveat emptor wrote: »

Good article in ft.

https://www.ft.com/content/6a5e61f5-7a35-4ad9-b57d-98f1dfa107ad



Worst case rate in Europe by far.




Cases were in young first then old.


Positivity through the roof.


Low deaths so far.

Anyone got any passenger statistics of flights from Spain to Ireland in the last 3 weeks?

Boggles

is_that_so wrote: »

They are doing 12-13k a day X 7 ...

No they aren't.

71,910 in the last 7 days.

bb1234567

While Spain's deaths are lower than you'd expect from the cases reported the deaths themselves are not particularly low. Almost 500 people in Spain have died in the last 7 days

Derek Zoolander

IHaveTheFlag wrote: »

It's a problem and it's mostly down to people's greed. The health services are underfunded but think of all the money that's wasted on illnesses that are 100% preventable. But of course it's everyone else's fault. It always is.

Health Services are inefficient certainly not underfunded. An obesity has a large element of personal responsibility about it.

stephenjmcd

Happydays2020 wrote: »

Great. Govt leak or official announcement? I would have thought very difficult to resist - after the Hogan affair we were a target as a country with inconsistent standards and mixed messaging.

Gov leak in today's independent. No doubt will all be in the new plan to be announced next week. The drip feed has begun

wadacrack

caveat emptor wrote: »

Good article in ft.

https://www.ft.com/content/6a5e61f5-7a35-4ad9-b57d-98f1dfa107ad



Worst case rate in Europe by far.



Cases were in young first then old.


Positivity through the roof.


Low deaths so far.

The most popular travel/holiday destination in Europe. People's behavior obviously not very compliant to social distancing in these settings. Travel seems to be the foundation for a very significant 2nd wave in Spain. Hopefully they prove to be an outlier compared to the rest of Europe. If more countries adopted Iceland's policy at airports it would go a long way to start controlling the virus again in Europe.

stephenjmcd

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1303957298650451968?s=19

Derek Zoolander

bb1234567 wrote: »

While Spain's deaths are lower than you'd expect from the cases reported the deaths themselves are not particularly low. Almost 500 people in Spain have died in the last 7 days

where are you getting that data - 434 deaths in last 7 days...

3rd Sept - 40
4th Sept - 184
5th Sept - 33
6th Sept - 33
7th Sept - 32
8th Sept - 78
9th Sept - 34

mandrake04

podgeandrodge wrote: »

What's with the sarcasm? Patnor wasn't suggesting a conspiracy theory or anything from what I see? It seems like a reasonable article suggesting figures might possibly be inflated somewhat?

So about the tongue in cheek, it just when Plantor quote 90% are not infected made me laugh so much.

Sure you cycle enough times you can detect RNA in the air, the question is not that virus can be detected but the viral load which is determined by the CT. (Cycle Threshold).

is_that_so

Boggles wrote: »

No they aren't.

71,910 in the last 7 days.

Both are right!
https://twitter.com/paulreiddublin/status/1303055160541933568

Onesea

wadacrack wrote: »

The most popular travel/holiday destination in Europe. People's behavior obviously not very compliant to social distancing in these settings. Travel seems to be the foundation for a very significant 2nd wave in Spain. Hopefully they prove to be an outlier compared to the rest of Europe. If more countries adopted Iceland's policy at airports it would go a long way to start controlling the virus again in Europe.

Somthing is not adding up.

I reckon the testing is massively innacurate. Showing positives for fit people with remnants of a past virus still present. Or mistaken for othe corona illnesses.

bb1234567

Derek Zoolander wrote: »

where are you getting that data - 434 deaths in last 7 days...

3rd Sept - 40
4th Sept - 184
5th Sept - 33
6th Sept - 33
7th Sept - 32
8th Sept - 78
9th Sept - 34

Oh sorry miscounted slightly I added an 8th day but either way it's a pretty significant number of deaths

wadacrack

Onesea wrote: »

Somthing is not adding up.

I reckon the testing is massively innacurate. Showing positives for fit people with remnants of a past virus still present. Or mistaken for othe corona illnesses.

That could be true but I doubt its a massive issue, the next few weeks are likely to tell the big picture. If this proves unfounded deaths are likely to surge up especially with older people now being infected

Boggles

is_that_so wrote: »

Both are right!

Well no they are not.

It's not my opinion, it's very basic maths based on the actual figures, we are not doing 12-13K tests a day.

Derek Zoolander

bb1234567 wrote: »

Oh sorry miscounted slightly I added an 8th day but either way it's a pretty significant number of deaths

its an increase and would equate to approx 7 daily deaths in Ireland if we adjust for population. (just on deaths alone) - but our new cases are only a quarter of Spain's new cases so wouldn't expect to see that same number of deaths

Pitch n Putt

is_that_so wrote: »

Both are right!
https://twitter.com/paulreiddublin/status/1303055160541933568

One swallow never made a summer

13 k a day unsustainable

Unable to meet demand now so meat factory testing paused.

The very places that have contributed to the new spikes.

Blame the community as the spread and specifically house gatherings.

Shouldn’t be declaring something that you can’t deliver on

Paul Reid should have known better.

And people still hanging on every word these people say.

They haven’t a clue just winging it as months and months pass by.

Widdensushi

caveat emptor wrote: »

Good article in ft.

https://www.ft.com/content/6a5e61f5-7a35-4ad9-b57d-98f1dfa107ad



Worst case rate in Europe by far.


No sign of Sweden on that graph, their approach seems to be working

Boggles

Widdensushi wrote: »

No sign of Sweden on that graph, their approach seems to be working

Wonder why?

During the week of August 24th-30th, Sweden had a testing rate of 831.5 per 100,000 people, behind Denmark at 4,192.5 and Norway at 1,618.8, according to ECDC.

daydorunrun

IHaveTheFlag wrote: »

I don't mean to sound callous or cruel but you can hardly expect to Chow down on pie and chips every day and not have it go consequence free regarding your health.

That’s a very blinkered view of obesity, it’s not that simple.

Funsterdelux

Widdensushi wrote: »

caveat emptor wrote: »

Good article in ft.

https://www.ft.com/content/6a5e61f5-7a35-4ad9-b57d-98f1dfa107ad



Worst case rate in Europe by far.


No sign of Sweden on that graph, their approach seems to be working

Or Liechtenstein!

Wanderer78

daydorunrun wrote: »

That’s a very blinkered view of obesity, it’s not that simple.

more ignorance than blinkered to be honest

alentejo

I suspect this Irish wave will start to subside in October and continue to mid December.

It will then re-emerge in January & Feb which could be quite bad and tapper off as we get to Spring.