Covid 19 Part XXII-30,360 in ROI(1,781 deaths) 8,035 in NI (568 deaths)(10/09)Read OP

yourdeadwright

Tij da feen wrote: »

From the article:
"The department said yesterday it was “not feasible” for the HPSC to provide 14-day incidence rate breakdowns by electoral area, given its heavy workload. Even a request from The Irish Times for separate figures for Limerick city and county could not be met."

There's something wrong with the way they're operating if they can't provide this information on an up-to-date basis. By now they should easily have automation in place to handle this data. Should be a click of a button to provide this information.

Wasn't that the reason for the original lockdown so the Government could get all these system in place ? to make reopening the country safe and the information reliable

Tij da feen

TonyMaloney wrote: »

Yeah, they have something called CIDR in place for just this kind of thing.
Clearly they don't have the expertise to get the most from it.

And if they can't operate their own systems well enough, they should release the raw data (anonymised) so that we can do it for them.

Yup. Super frustrating as someone who does this for a living (ETL and Analysis). Knowing the state of IT in our public services though this does not surprise me.

Wolf359f

Tij da feen wrote: »

From the article:
"The department said yesterday it was “not feasible” for the HPSC to provide 14-day incidence rate breakdowns by electoral area, given its heavy workload. Even a request from The Irish Times for separate figures for Limerick city and county could not be met."

There's something wrong with the way they're operating if they can't provide this information on an up-to-date basis. By now they should easily have automation in place to handle this data. Should be a click of a button to provide this information.

I'd guess they would have the swab location of all positive tests to hand easily. But working out where the infection occured could be the time consuming part.
But we're at a stage were public buy in is needed, so they should be giving us all the information needed.
It's one thing being told there's household to household clusters in Dublin, but unless people hear/see the data, they are not likely to take it too seriously.

It would be nice to see a map of Ireland, colour coded with incidence rate broken up in areas and not just county. Something you see during election time. Lots and lots of detail presented in a very easy way to see.
Would be nice to see clusters by their type, see where areas are trending and what kind of clusters are causing the spread. It's information like that, easily presented that the media would lap up. They wouldn't have to worry about collecting the data or drawing up a colour coded map, it would all be there for them.

I think Gavin Reilly has a nice colour coded spread sheet with the 14 day incidence rate, at a first glance you can see what counties are doing good and bad. Should really be the government providing the easy to read charts and not down to journalists.

DebDynamite

mandrake04 wrote: »

Anyone got any passenger statistics of flights from Spain to Ireland in the last 3 weeks?

One poster anyway on the “will you travel” thread said they were just back from Barcelona and any bar or restaurant they went into had zero social distancing but it didn’t bother them. Didn’t confirm if they self isolated either upon return either, so that’s what you’re dealing with.

That might explain why Spain is blowing up again like it is. For all the optics of them making people wear masks outdoors and on the beach, seems bars and restaurants are back to pre-Covid times. At least here we seem have things the right way around.

Edit: he later confirmed he did self isolate upon return as he’s lucky enough to work from home. How many don’t have that luxury and are going straight back into work/school? Poster also said in general, social distancing seems to be out the window over there.

stephenjmcd

Governments advertising campaign kicked in today. This is in today's newspapers. As Glynn mentioned last night focus is on the message of reducing contacts
https://twitter.com/WilliamsJon/status/1303962435871805442?s=19

What Username Guidelines

Yah yah, rumour mill, but from my Sister who is a local. Oranmore in Galway appears to have quite a few cases this week.

Not the cause, but a family went around France/Italy/Spain/Germany in a camper for the whole month of August, got back and straight back to work/school the following day, no isolation at all, and the locals are all going crazy about it and are angry-mob-style linking the two together.

Hector Savage

DebDynamite wrote: »

One poster anyway on the “will you travel” thread said they were just back from Barcelona and any bar or restaurant they went into had zero social distancing but it didn’t bother them. Didn’t confirm if they self isolated either upon return either, so that’s what you’re dealing with.

That might explain why Spain is blowing up again like it is. For all the optics of them making people wear masks outdoors and on the beach, seems bars and restaurants are back to pre-Covid times. At least here we seem have things the right way around.

Exactly, it's a joke here, wearing full masks outdoors with no one near, go to a beer garden and rip off the mask and lash into the pints !!!!


PERO BUENO !!!


But the situation in barcelona seems to be imoproving, Madrid is worrying at the moment ...

School starts on Monday 14th here, so lets see!!!

Of course the independista loons will be marching tomorrow too!!!

Renjit

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Governments advertising campaign kicked in today. This is in today's newspapers. As Glynn mentioned last night focus is on the message of reducing contacts
https://twitter.com/WilliamsJon/status/1303962435871805442?s=19

Calm down Dublin :pac:

JDD

How many of the "clusters from private homes" are proper clusters - i.e. one household has infected another through a gathering at their house?

I would presume that the vast majority of private home clusters are family members who live in the same house infecting each other. Unavoidable really.

You could bring in a restriction saying nobody is allowed to visit anyone else's house, and that still won't vastly reduce private home clusters if the majority of them are "internal" infections.

ACitizenErased

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Governments advertising campaign kicked in today. This is in today's newspapers. As Glynn mentioned last night focus is on the message of reducing contacts
https://twitter.com/WilliamsJon/status/1303962435871805442?s=19

Dare I say... Cork is doing... good?

I shall take cover now

TonyMaloney

An informative but gloomy thread on the situation developing in France

https://twitter.com/john_lichfield/status/1303988457241542656?s=20

Wolf359f

JDD wrote: »

How many of the "clusters from private homes" are proper clusters - i.e. one household has infected another through a gathering at their house?

I would presume that the vast majority of private home clusters are family members who live in the same house infecting each other. Unavoidable really.

You could bring in a restriction saying nobody is allowed to visit anyone else's house, and that still won't vastly reduce private home clusters if the majority of them are "internal" infections.

It's almost impossible to avoid isolated household clusters whose source was the community. However they did specifically call out the household to household clusters, so I'd assume it's a high enough number to warrant the mention.

As a poster said earlier, there's quite a few confirmations and communions going on. Even the rumblings from the government about any possible restrictions would be avoiding households like Glasgow. Apart from Donnelly, I'd say he's still banging the lockdown drum!

Wolf359f

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Dare I say... Cork is doing... good?

I shall take cover now

Careful now, you'll have dubs driving down to cork for a test to inflate the numbers!
#makecorkred

mandrake04

DebDynamite wrote: »

That might explain why Spain is blowing up again like it is. For all the optics of them making people wear masks outdoors and on the beach, seems bars and restaurants are back to pre-Covid times. At least here we seem have things the right way around.

Well it kinda looks silly from the outside and we can laugh, but yet again Ireland has kept schools and non-pubs closed when cases were low but choose to open them when cases go up. Not to mention the magical anti-covid Pizza and chicken wings which is equally bizarre.

US2

Hector Savage wrote: »

Exactly, it's a joke here, wearing full masks outdoors with no one near, go to a beer garden and rip off the mask and lash into the pints !!!!


PERO BUENO !!!


But the situation in barcelona seems to be imoproving, Madrid is worrying at the moment ...

School starts on Monday 14th here, so lets see!!!

Of course the independista loons will be marching tomorrow too!!!

Definitely need to refresh my Spanish. I thought at first glance Pero Bueno meant Good Dog haha

What Username Guidelines

Tij da feen wrote: »

From the article:
"The department said yesterday it was “not feasible” for the HPSC to provide 14-day incidence rate breakdowns by electoral area, given its heavy workload. Even a request from The Irish Times for separate figures for Limerick city and county could not be met."

There's something wrong with the way they're operating if they can't provide this information on an up-to-date basis. By now they should easily have automation in place to handle this data. Should be a click of a button to provide this information.

My office has a load of analysts who are all tracking this stuff themselves, purely out of interest and a passion for data, using fractured data from HSE/HSPC/etc and have some pretty impressive tracking going on with google sheets, charting all the data and linking it together. We've got people like David Higgins on twitter, etc. It's unbelievable and quite frankly negligent that the government can't assign a few people to chart and graph this stuff into something not only useful, but absolutely vital.

What Username Guidelines

TonyMaloney wrote: »

An informative but gloomy thread on the situation developing in France

https://twitter.com/john_lichfield/status/1303988457241542656?s=20

I'm by no means downplaying this, but from this tweet regarding Marseilles being once "remarkably covid free"

https://twitter.com/john_lichfield/status/1303989600705220609?s=20

Does anyone known if this is largely been driven by lesser-hit areas now seeing a surge, or are the previously-harder-hit areas seeing a resurgence as well?

silly question maybe but they they give the mean/median age for the 4 deceased this week? I know they always did along with any indication of underlying health conditions, anyone know?

Non solum non ambulabit

Longing wrote: »

Not really. People who suffer from Hypothyroidism will gain weight no matter if they take 100 calories a day and if you suffer from hyperthyroidism you can eat all the chocolate and McDonalds you like and still be a bag of bones.

What percentage of obsese people does this affect? Around 25% of Irish are obsese and 40% overweight. Personal responsibility must come to play for a huge majority of these people.

DangerScouse

Really feeling very positive about this virus losing it's potency now tbh. All the signs are pointing towards increasing cases and very few people losing their lives and being admitted to hospitals.

What Username Guidelines

What Username Guidelines wrote: »

My office has a load of analysts who are all tracking this stuff themselves, purely out of interest and a passion for data, using fractured data from HSE/HSPC/etc and have some pretty impressive tracking going on with google sheets, charting all the data and linking it together. We've got people like David Higgins on twitter, etc. It's unbelievable and quite frankly negligent that the government can't assign a few people to chart and graph this stuff into something not only useful, but absolutely vital.

I am sure you could get a data specialist to do enough on a 20 hour a week contract. Standardise the data input, and automate

Funsterdelux

Tij da feen wrote: »

From the article:
"The department said yesterday it was “not feasible” for the HPSC to provide 14-day incidence rate breakdowns by electoral area, given its heavy workload. Even a request from The Irish Times for separate figures for Limerick city and county could not be met."

There's something wrong with the way they're operating if they can't provide this information on an up-to-date basis. By now they should easily have automation in place to handle this data. Should be a click of a button to provide this information.

Jeez, can they not do a bit of conditional formatting in excel

Wolf359f

mandrake04 wrote: »

Well it kinda looks silly from the outside and we can laugh, but yet again Ireland has kept schools and non-pubs closed when cases were low but choose to open them when cases go up. Not to mention the magical anti-covid Pizza and chicken wings which is equally bizarre.

Just curious, how would you define a restaurant and a pub? Some states in America, if 51% or more of sales is food, it's classed as a restaurant, if 51% of sales is alcohol, it's a pub. So under current laws/licencing how would you define a pub and a restaurant?

joeguevara

Wolf359f wrote: »

Just curious, how would you define a restaurant and a pub? Some states in America, if 51% or more of sales is food, it's classed as a restaurant, if 51% of sales is alcohol, it's a pub. So under current laws/licencing how would you define a pub and a restaurant?

Nothing to do with mix. Its the licence.

Hurrache

Tij da feen wrote: »

From the article:
"The department said yesterday it was “not feasible” for the HPSC to provide 14-day incidence rate breakdowns by electoral area, given its heavy workload. Even a request from The Irish Times for separate figures for Limerick city and county could not be met."

There's something wrong with the way they're operating if they can't provide this information on an up-to-date basis. By now they should easily have automation in place to handle this data. Should be a click of a button to provide this information.

It's a waste of resources at the moment, there's plenty of other things for them to be directed at. Why bother breaking things down into electoral areas, basically meaningless arbitrary boundaries that serve no purpose other than to distribute political representation, in a medical environment?

Wolf359f

Wolf359f wrote: »

Just curious, how would you define a restaurant and a pub? Some states in America, if 51% or more of sales is food, it's classed as a restaurant, if 51% of sales is alcohol, it's a pub. So under current laws/licencing how would you define a pub and a restaurant?

A restaurant has a restaurant licence and a pub has a pub licence?

joeguevara

Deleted User wrote: »

A restaurant has a restaurant licence and a pub has a pub licence?

And a pub licence requires a restaurant certificate if it wishes to serve food.

A restaurant also has restrictions on the alocohol it can serve. Also the restaurant must serve (as part of its licence) a substantial meal in order to serve alcohol.

nannerbenahs

Here is a really good statistical analysis of the current situation by Ivor Cummins
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UvFhIFzaac&feature=emb_logo

sideswipe

Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »

What percentage of obsese people does this affect? Around 25% of Irish are obsese and 40% overweight. Personal responsibility must come to play for a huge majority of these people.

Personal responsibility is of course part of it. There will always be people that are health aware but there will also be a lot of people that are not well educated in basic nutrition and multi billion euro industries that know how to sell to them and manipulate their choices.
From the time they can walk kids are going into shops and being marketed to for the future custom with regards food choices, breakfast cereal that belong in the sweets and biscuit isle etc. You need to have very strong will to see through the multi billion marketing bluster these days. I've spoken to people with persistent weight struggles who think they eat healthy because they go for the 'Diet" option when shopping not realising that 'Diet' means high sugar when it comes to many products.
The old adage of eat less exercise more isn't really fit for purpose any more obesity is a far more complicated matter.

Wolf359f

joeguevara wrote: »

Nothing to do with mix. Its the licence.

I know that. And that's why under licencing laws a restaurant has to serve a substantial meal with the drink.
Otherwise every pub could open with a restaurant licence and not serve food. If we didn't have the current licencing laws, the government wouldn't be able to separate a pub from a restaurant.
This pizza prevents covid crap has to stop. These people probably believe 2m distance makes it dangerous, add a cm and it's all safe, same for 14mins is safe and 15 isn't.