Covid 19 Part XXII-30,360 in ROI(1,781 deaths) 8,035 in NI (568 deaths)(10/09)Read OP

Boggles

Cabinet source confirms no action from Govt today on tightening restrictions on household visits in Dublin - sub-committee has opted against any action ahead of new framework being published next Tuesday

40-50% increase by then?

Shure be grand.

Let's wait for the pointless document.

Assetbacked

Knine wrote: »

I did not meet their criteria for testing but I stayed the hell away from my mother who has cancer, on oxygen 24/7

Between your mother and your daughter, this must be pretty rough going.

Knine

Assetbacked wrote: »

Between your mother and your daughter, this must be pretty rough going.

Yes majorly so. In fact my mother only got out of hospital this week & the Consultant said she was safer at home. Dublin Hospital

As my daughter never had a Covid test, there is always that bit of uncertainty.

When I hear people say oh it is only severe for people with underlying health issues, I think eh that is my family you are talking about!

Arghus

TonyMaloney wrote: »

So we're getting no new restrictions for Dublin although cases have been doubling every 14 days, and we've yet to see the effects of opening schools and colleges.

This could get out of hand very quickly.

90% of the time, people saying "the government haven't a clue" is angry people giving out without having much of a clue themselves.

But, I'm afraid at this stage it really does appear that the government doesn't have a clue and their decision making is actually degenerating.

Jimi H

Knine wrote: »

Back in very early March my daughter was admitted to hospital, she is 12 & has a severe underlying health condition. She had oxygen stats in the 70's & tachycardia, the temperature, cough etc. I asked them to test her & they said no as she had not being skiing in Italy. She struggled for 3 weeks with oxygen levels & then got pneumonia. Thankfully she is doing well now but not before several contacts did test positive, including one person who started in a nursing home before she realised. So it can & does affect children.
Separately a friend of mine has developed a heart issue a few months after Covid.

Still a lot of unknowns as to how it can affect us
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.livescience.com/amp/coronavirus-may-dice-heart-muscle-fibers-cells.html

JP Liz V1

Knine wrote: »

Back in very early March my daughter was admitted to hospital, she is 12 & has a severe underlying health condition. She had oxygen stats in the 70's & tachycardia, the temperature, cough etc. I asked them to test her & they said no as she had not being skiing in Italy. She struggled for 3 weeks with oxygen levels & then got pneumonia. Thankfully she is doing well now but not before several contacts did test positive, including one person who started in a nursing home before she realised. So it can & does affect children.
Separately a friend of mine has developed a heart issue a few months after Covid.

I hope she is ok now, she should have been tested especially as in hospital, take care

It seems some GPs are slow to refer for tests while others refer all

Knine

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

I hope she is ok now, she should have been tested especially as in hospital, take care

It seems some GPs are slow to refer for tests while others refer all

Thank you. My daughter is doing good now & we take precautions still as she was never tested.

My mother was tested 3 times in 24 hours for it last week. So they must get some false negatives.

caveat emptor

Arghus wrote: »

90% of the time, people saying "the government haven't a clue" is angry people giving out without having much of a clue themselves.

But, I'm afraid at this stage it really does appear that the government doesn't have a clue and their decision making is actually degenerating.

MM is a lame duck.
https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1304108652203323396?s=20

Gruffalux

Assetbacked wrote: »

That's mental that they didn't despite the context, really can't believe that.

It begs the question as to why they resisted testing people when it was spreading wildly in the country and lends credence to the possibility that it has infected far more people than official numbers suggests.

it is unlikely to have spread wildly, as you say. Most countries are coming up with an average of about 5% infection in populations. Our research has an even lower percentage (1.7%) but I have doubts about that. So at most, likely 200,000 to 250,000 people have had it. Or we could be conservative and go from 100,000 to 200,000. Certainly a lot more than ever recorded. But that still leaves 4,750,000 people at least to whom it has not as yet spread wildly.

owlbethere

smelly sock wrote: »

Wow

The Govt. are really fooking this up. So Kildare, Laois an Offaly locked down but not Dublin.

Really it means that if Dublin don't face restrictions then they will fail to impose them anywhere else in the future. Why would people listen.

What would a Dublin lockdown look like? I think the problem in Dublin is to do with people gathering in crowds eg the Berlin bar. Some people are giving two fingers to the virus and to the spread of the virus and they don't care about anyone beyond themselves. A lockdown will only be a soft lockdown and that will do nothing but harm businesses. People will still gather if they want to. Nothing short of a Chinese style lockdown will work to get the numbers down and that won't ever happen.

landofthetree

owlbethere wrote: »

What would a Dublin lockdown look like? I think the problem in Dublin is to do with people gathering in crowds eg the Berlin bar. Some people are giving two fingers to the virus and to the spread of the virus and they don't care about anyone beyond themselves. A lockdown will only be a soft lockdown and that will do nothing but harm businesses. People will still gather if they want to. Nothing short of a Chinese style lockdown will work to get the numbers down and that won't ever happen.

What choice does the gov have if hospitals start to come under pressure?

The numbers of people over 65 getting Covid is rising.

owlbethere

Jimi H wrote: »

Still a lot of unknowns as to how it can affect us
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.livescience.com/amp/coronavirus-may-dice-heart-muscle-fibers-cells.html

But there's far too many experts here on boards who have clearly been studying this novel coronavirus for years to come to the conclusion that it's nothing more but a little cold.

Strumms

caveat emptor wrote: »

MM is a lame duck.

Looking increasingly like it. Just doesn’t look like he has the bollòcks or personality for the fight, he has done marginally better than Leo but when things are getting tough again hmmmm.

Problem with Leo is he was just too much with a fûcking ear to the moneymen's wallets. I imagine not much would change if you were to reverse rolls.

owlbethere

landofthetree wrote: »

What choice does the gov have if hospitals start to come under pressure?

The numbers of people over 65 getting Covid is rising.

A lockdown isn't the answer any more. A soft lockdown will be useless. People who wants to follow the guidelines will do so. People who don't want to, won't. Lockdown or no lockdown. People will do what they want to do.

Charles Babbage

owlbethere wrote: »

A lockdown isn't the answer any more. A soft lockdown will be useless. People who wants to follow the guidelines will do so. People who don't want to, won't. Lockdown or no lockdown. People will do what they want to do.

you need €1000 fine for householder for any house with too many in it. There should be a legal requirement to tell Gardai how many are there and while they cannot go in, a fraudulent count should result in a €10,000 fine.

Beanybabog

Charles Babbage wrote: »

you need €1000 fine for householder for any house with too many in it. There should be a legal requirement to tell Gardai how many are there and while they cannot go in, a fraudulent count should result in a €10,000 fine.

You can’t though. They announced the possible penalties for households previously without even running it by the AG, then quickly copped on that enforcing such measures in private households is a legal minefield and any legislation will risk being unconstitutional... The problem is when they give advice, ie 6 to a house, lots of people will actually follow it, but they probably weren’t the people throwing massive parties in the first place, and the people who ignored previous measures will
Continue to do so. I don’t know what the answer is. The only way we prevented this before was the lockdown and strict limits of travel from home and I don’t think that’ll be imposed again unless things are dire

Jim_Hodge

Beanybabog wrote: »

You can’t though. They announced the possible penalties for households previously without even running it by the AG, then quickly copped on that enforcing such measures in private households is a legal minefield and any legislation will risk being unconstitutional... The problem is when they give advice, ie 6 to a house, lots of people will actually follow it, but they probably weren’t the people throwing massive parties in the first place, and the people who ignored previous measures will
Continue to do so. I don’t know what the answer is. The only way we prevented this before was the lockdown and strict limits of travel from home and I don’t think that’ll be imposed again unless things are dire

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/frontline-worker-and-husband-fined-1-000-each-for-holding-house-party-1.4350672

kona

They should lockdown dublin and tell anybody not from dublin to immediately evacuate the county:D:pac:

Once thats done we can run dublin by ourselves, the spud gobblers can go be happy then.

podgeandrodge

Strumms wrote: »

Looking increasingly like it. Just doesn’t look like he has the bollòcks or personality for the fight, he has done marginally better than Leo but when things are getting tough again hmmmm.

Problem with Leo is he was just too much with a fûcking ear to the moneymen's wallets. I imagine not much would change if you were to reverse rolls.

Done marginally better than Leo? While I can't stand Leo, and perhaps it's down to perception, I think he did a far better job at convincing the general public to do what was necessary at the outset.

The duo of MM and SD is an entirely different story.

eigrod

1 admission to ICU today. 7 in ICU now.

https://covid19ireland-geohive.hub.arcgis.com/pages/hospitals-icu--testing

landofthetree

kona wrote: »

They should lockdown dublin and tell anybody not from dublin to immediately evacuate the county:D:pac:

Once thats done we can run dublin by ourselves, the spud gobblers can go be happy then.

You can fly your beloved union Jack's once again :P

Beanybabog

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/frontline-worker-and-husband-fined-1-000-each-for-holding-house-party-1.4350672

That was under the lockdown legislation as amendments to 47 act. I am talking about enforcing the 6 person rule. You’ll note the article is careful to say Garda looked through window and on “admission” to the house... ie they had no warrant. They cannot introduce legislation that the Gardai can go into your house for a sniff around with no warrant. Circumstances have to be exceptional and we’re not there yet

growleaves

Hate the phrase 'wet pubs'.

Here's an idea, why not remove the roofs from pubs since outdoor transmission is less frequent.

Then when it rains they will literally be wet pubs.

Spanish Eyes

If the non food pubs reopen it might just release some pressure on the house party gatherings. Just musing here.

I dunno, 11.30 closing or whatever it is won't make revellers go home, so back to someone's house again.

But has to start somewhere and see how it goes I suppose. People like meeting other people in their houses, flats, apartments and having a blast. By the sound of the non food pubs it will be quite a clinical set up for socialising. But anyway.

What is the solution? Seems to me NPHET are trying to reduce house gatherings. Then leave the pubs open till 4am or something. LOL.

owlbethere

Charles Babbage wrote: »

you need €1000 fine for householder for any house with too many in it. There should be a legal requirement to tell Gardai how many are there and while they cannot go in, a fraudulent count should result in a €10,000 fine.

I completely agree with you. This should have been done from the start. For anyone breaking the public health guidelines and putting others at risk.

Charles Babbage

Beanybabog wrote: »

You can’t though. They announced the possible penalties for households previously without even running it by the AG, then quickly copped on that enforcing such measures in private households is a legal minefield and any legislation will risk being unconstitutional... The problem is when they give advice, ie 6 to a house, lots of people will actually follow it, but they probably weren’t the people throwing massive parties in the first place, and the people who ignored previous measures will
Continue to do so. I don’t know what the answer is. The only way we prevented this before was the lockdown and strict limits of travel from home and I don’t think that’ll be imposed again unless things are dire

They could introduce the regs and send them to Supreme Court to see what works. Also under the 1947 Act you can sue someone if you get a disease in their house, they should sue for the cost of treatment of anyone who gets Covid in an illegal gathering.

kona

landofthetree wrote: »

You can fly your beloved union Jack's once again :P

Hang it off the sam.

ExMachina1000

kona wrote: »

They should lockdown dublin and tell anybody not from dublin to immediately evacuate the county:D:pac:

Once thats done we can run dublin by ourselves, the spud gobblers can go be happy then.

Dublin with only Dubs in it.

Population would drop 80% overnight

Boggles

Just wait until Tuesday, everyone (and the virus)

Clarity and clear instructions are on the way.

The new plan, due to be unveiled next week, will have five levels of restrictions.....It is understood the documents contain 19 separate headings as to how the regulations would operate at different restrictions levels

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kona

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

Dublin with only Dubs in it.

Population would drop 80% overnight

Problem solved! No homeless, less cases and affordable housing, 5 sam maguires .