Covid 19 Part XXII-30,360 in ROI(1,781 deaths) 8,035 in NI (568 deaths)(10/09)Read OP

Pablo Escobar

bennyl10 wrote: »

well seeing as a runny nose isnt a symptom of Covid that makes sense?

It is actually. There are some symptoms which are less common, that being one of them.

ACitizenErased

khalessi wrote: »

Upper respiratory diseases occur in 54% of children and a runny nose is one of those symptoms.

https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/sites/default/files/documents/COVID-19-schools-transmission-August%202020.pdf

This was published on the 6th August as as you can see respiratory symptoms make up 54% for upper and 25% for lower, so yes a cough and a fever are the most common symptoms but so is a runny nose which is an upper respiratory symptom.
Common signs and symptoms in children

COVID-19, like SARS and MERS, is observed less frequently in children, who tend to present milder symptoms and have a better overall outcome than adults [20-24]. The most commonly reported symptoms in children are fever
and cough [21,22,25]. Other symptoms include gastrointestinal symptoms, sore throat/pharyngitis, shortness of breath, myalgia, rhinorrhoea/nasal congestion and headache, with varying prevalence among different studies [21,22,25,26]. In a cohort of 582 paediatric cases of SARS-CoV-2 infection from 21 European countries, signs and symptoms upon presentation at healthcare institutions included fever (pyrexia) (65%), upper respiratory tract infection (54%), headache (28%), lower respiratory tract infection (25%) and gastrointestinal symptoms (22%) [27].
Correspondingly, studies from Italy [4,5,28,29], Germany [30], UK [31], Turkey [32] and Sweden [33] described similar symptoms and reported fever and cough as the most commonly observed symptoms. Gastrointestinal symptoms were more prevalent in children with severe COVID-19 than in those with mild disease [34].

Upper respiratory tract infection includes a cough. Runny nose is not good enough by itself to signify covid

khalessi

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Upper respiratory tract infection includes a cough. Runny nose is not good enough by itself to signify covid

But it should not be dismissed so easily as in milder cases a runny nose is enough to be Covid 19

khalessi

khalessi wrote: »

Upper respiratory diseases occur in 54% of children and a runny nose is one of those symptoms.

https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/sites/default/files/documents/COVID-19-schools-transmission-August%202020.pdf

This was published on the 6th August as as you can see respiratory symptoms make up 54% for upper and 25% for lower, so yes a cough and a fever are the most common symptoms but so is a runny nose which is an upper respiratory symptom.
Common signs and symptoms in children

COVID-19, like SARS and MERS, is observed less frequently in children, who tend to present milder symptoms and have a better overall outcome than adults [20-24]. The most commonly reported symptoms in children are fever
and cough [21,22,25]. Other symptoms include gastrointestinal symptoms, sore throat/pharyngitis, shortness of breath, myalgia, rhinorrhoea/nasal congestion and headache, with varying prevalence among different studies [21,22,25,26]. In a cohort of 582 paediatric cases of SARS-CoV-2 infection from 21 European countries, signs and symptoms upon presentation at healthcare institutions included fever (pyrexia) (65%), upper respiratory tract infection (54%), headache (28%), lower respiratory tract infection (25%) and gastrointestinal symptoms (22%) [27].
Correspondingly, studies from Italy [4,5,28,29], Germany [30], UK [31], Turkey [32] and Sweden [33] described similar symptoms and reported fever and cough as the most commonly observed symptoms. Gastrointestinal symptoms were more prevalent in children with severe COVID-19 than in those with mild disease [34].

in what percentage did upper respiratory symptoms occur independent of other symptom?

ACitizenErased

khalessi wrote: »

But it should not be dismissed so easily as in milder cases a runny nose is enough to be Covid 19

A runny nose accompanied with a cough = respiratory infection. COVID also causes fever, loss of smell/taste.

Boggles

ACitizenErased wrote: »

I wouldn’t call a symptom that affects ~20-25% of people to be common

It's not as common as other symptoms in children, but 20%-25% would be considered a relatively significant symptom.

The real question is.

Who spreads it more in a class room.

The child who is snotting and sneezing all day or the child with a slight dry cough?

Only one of those has a free pass to enter the school post haste.

Add to that fact that studies on children have suggested 20% are asymptomatic.

That brings us up to 40-45% of potential cases we can't detect or are ignoring because some sort of "new science" from that nice GP lady last night.

You could not make it up.

fits

Im hoping that with children interacting less with others, there will be fewer of the usual bugs circulating.

In our playschool, there are ten children and 2 adults to the pod, but they are only from 6 or 7 different households as they are keeping family members together.

Away With The Fairies

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

If it can't be eradicated, will this get us at some point whether we like it or not.

polesheep wrote: »

At 3am tomorrow. Say your prayers.

You shouldn't post things like that in a place like this. People will see your fear. You may get it, you may not, there is 5 people in icu despite hundreds of cases each day for weeks, there is better treatments, vaccines will be around the corner. This is not a death sentence. Chill man:cool:

seamus

A runny nose in isolation is unlikely to be more than allergies or other environmental factors. The odds of a child with covid presenting with a runny nose and nothing else, are negligible.

This isn't rocket science. Anyone who has kids knows the difference between them actually being sick, and being a walking snot factory.

caveat emptor

Who knows? We'll find out soon enough.

https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1296456478912651264?s=20

ACitizenErased

seamus wrote: »

A runny nose in isolation is unlikely to be more than allergies or other environmental factors. The odds of a child with covid presenting with a runny nose and nothing else, are negligible.

This isn't rocket science. Anyone who has kids knows the difference between them actually being sick, and being a walking snot factory.

This. If a parent is genuinely concerned about a runny nose being COVID then get them tested.

Funsterdelux

Try asking a 3-8 year old if theyve lost their taste at 8am in the morning eating their tasteless wheatabix while wiping the snot from their open snot tap called a nose.

khalessi

fits wrote: »

Im hoping that with children interacting less with others, there will be fewer of the usual bugs circulating.

In our playschool, there are ten children and 2 adults to the pod, but they are only from 6 or 7 different households as they are keeping family members together.

Maybe less headlice as well.

Boggles

Boggles wrote: »

Add to that fact that studies on children have suggested 20% are asymptotic.

.

As in they approach to in infinitesimally small distance but never make contact?

Boggles

seamus wrote: »

The odds of a child with covid presenting with a runny nose and nothing else, are negligible.
.

What are the odds of the child developing a runny nose and subsequently another symptom of Covid later on and then testing positive, meanwhile spreading the disease in a school environment because they have been encouraged to return? (which is terrible advice pre-covid by the way).

I'll give you a hint, you don't know and neither does that nice GP that was making up all sorts of facts last night.

fits

khalessi wrote: »

Maybe less headlice as well.

hope so. We have escaped that so far.

Glenbhoy

seamus wrote: »

A runny nose in isolation is unlikely to be more than allergies or other environmental factors. The odds of a child with covid presenting with a runny nose and nothing else, are negligible.

This isn't rocket science. Anyone who has kids knows the difference between them actually being sick, and being a walking snot factory.

According to wiki, kids get 10-12 colds per year, adults 2 - 4. Symptoms can last for 10 days, if we were to keep those displaying 'cold' symptoms of school until they had a negative test, they wouldn't be in too often. At least there'd be space to implement proper social distancing!!
Without spending too much time calculating, it seems that at any point probably several hundred thousand people in the country are infectious with a cold virus - is that accurate?

owlbethere

Boggles wrote: »

It's not as common as other symptoms in children, but 20%-25% would be considered a relatively significant symptom.

The real question is.

Who spreads it more in a class room.

The child who is snotting and sneezing all day or the child with a slight dry cough?

Only one of those has a free pass to enter the school post haste.

Add to that fact that studies on children have suggested 20% are asymptotic.

That brings us up to 40-45% of potential cases we can't detect or are ignoring because some sort of "new science" from that nice GP lady last night.

You could not make it up.

The hse does not list sore throat as a symptom of covid19 but the health authorities in other countries do. So, Irish children who develop a sore throat is good and free to go to school because its not considered symptoms with the Irish health authorities. Yet, there could be potential for it to be covid because other countries recognise sore throat as a symptom.

Funsterdelux

Funsterdelux wrote: »

Try asking a 3-8 year old if theyve lost their taste at 8am in the morning eating their tasteless wheatabix while wiping the snot from their open snot tap called a nose.

That's why the guidance says older children. Luckily many studies show that younger children spread the virus less so offsets the potential of this symptom being missed by some parents

spookwoman

Latest HUB data on Hospitals
26 Confirmed in Hospital -1
4 Admissions in the last 24 Hrs
3 Discharged in the last 24 Hrs

6 Cases in ICU -
1 Admission to ICU in the last 24 Hrs
1 Discharged from ICU in the last 24 Hrs

ACitizenErased

101 positive swabs last 24hrs from 4998 tests

Looks like yourdeadwright will be right again

is_that_so

ACitizenErased wrote: »

101 positive swabs last 24hrs from 4998 tests

Looks like yourdeadwright will be right again

Which is?

Funsterdelux

Glenbhoy wrote: »

According to wiki, kids get 10-12 colds per year, adults 2 - 4. Symptoms can last for 10 days, if we were to keep those displaying 'cold' symptoms of school until they had a negative test, they wouldn't be in too often. At least there'd be space to implement proper social distancing!!
Without spending too much time calculating, it seems that at any point probably several hundred thousand people in the country are infectious with a cold virus - is that accurate?

Thats why there needs to be a plan B for schools, i e continue with online work, send work home, live streaming etc.

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spookwoman wrote: »

Latest HUB data on Hospitals
26 Confirmed in Hospital -1
4 Admissions in the last 24 Hrs
3 Discharged in the last 24 Hrs

6 Cases in ICU -
1 Admission to ICU in the last 24 Hrs
1 Discharged from ICU in the last 24 Hrs

How are hospital totals down 1 with 4 in and 3 out?

Glenbhoy

caveat emptor wrote: »

It's really tricky,

Guy get's in march and is very sick.
Recovers, get's it again 4/5 months later.
Is asymptomatic.

All things remaining equal it could be explained ny one of the following

1. the immune response was able to prevent a symptomatic infection.
2. It could be the genetic difference in the second infection is "milder / different"
3. The initial conditions of the transmission was different? (mask / distance /time etc)

There is evidence for all three. Hopefully the immune response is long lasting and even if reinfection occurs it's mild or asymptomatic. (1)

Even better if it's due to 1 + 2.

More data needed to draw a conclusion but it is positive.

And has there been any solid evidence backing up the theory that the initial viral load impacts severity of the disease?
I know it was mooted early on that it may have explained the apparent severity of the disease for healthcare workers, but haven't really beem following since.

ACitizenErased

is_that_so wrote: »

Which is?

91

mean gene

ACitizenErased wrote: »

101 positive swabs last 24hrs from 4998 tests

Looks like yourdeadwright will be right again

He's dead right again

ACitizenErased

Funsterdelux wrote: »

Thats why there needs to be a plan B for schools, i e continue with online work, send work home, live streaming etc.

All the local schools here have online learning available immediately should a student need it. That’s up to the school.

owlbethere

Glenbhoy wrote: »

According to wiki, kids get 10-12 colds per year, adults 2 - 4. Symptoms can last for 10 days, if we were to keep those displaying 'cold' symptoms of school until they had a negative test, they wouldn't be in too often. At least there'd be space to implement proper social distancing!!
Without spending too much time calculating, it seems that at any point probably several hundred thousand people in the country are infectious with a cold virus - is that accurate?

If people stay at home while being symptomatic of any infection the numbers of infections being caught should be significantly lower. The measures put in place to reduce covid19 should also reduce the incidence of other viral infections that cause similar symptoms so this year should be nothing like a normal winter in terms of getting a cold every other week.

spookwoman

spookwoman wrote: »

Latest HUB data on Hospitals
26 Confirmed in Hospital -1
4 Admissions in the last 24 Hrs
3 Discharged in the last 24 Hrs

6 Cases in ICU -
1 Admission to ICU in the last 24 Hrs
1 Discharged from ICU in the last 24 Hrs

That ICU figure is remarkably stable. We are now at more than a month of 6 +/-2 cases