Covid 19 Part XXII-30,360 in ROI(1,781 deaths) 8,035 in NI (568 deaths)(10/09)Read OP

spookwoman

GooglePlus wrote: »

How are hospital admissions down 1 with 4 in and 3 out?

Don't know how they do the numbers, just reporting whats on the hub.

Boggles

Deleted User wrote: »

That's why the guidance says older children. Luckily many studies show that younger children spread the virus less so offsets the potential of this symptom being missed by some parents

Well no, what the studies actually suggest is that younger children spread the virus less but given they have more contacts in day to day life this will offset the gains in there inability to spread it.

There is no social distancing protocol for younger kids in their classrooms.

What our politicians and public health officials have done, is out right ignored science and cherry picked absolute best case scenarios from the very limited studies that have been conducted.

Politics ahead of science is always doomed to fail.

Funsterdelux

ACitizenErased wrote: »

All the local schools here have online learning available immediately should a student need it. That’s up to the school.

Not all school principals are created equally which is the problem.

fits

GooglePlus wrote: »

How are hospital totals down 1 with 4 in and 3 out?

Possibly deaths?

ACitizenErased

22 in hospital last night
- 3 discharges
= 19
+ 4 admissions
= 23
+3 positive tests
= 26

caveat emptor

Glenbhoy wrote: »

And has there been any solid evidence backing up the theory that the initial viral load impacts severity of the disease?
I know it was mooted early on that it may have explained the apparent severity of the disease for healthcare workers, but haven't really beem following since.

There is evidence of viral load as a predictor on mortality.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2600(20)30354-4/fulltext

GooglePlus

ACitizenErased wrote: »

22 in hospital last night
- 3 discharges
= 19
+ 4 admissions
= 23
+3 positive tests
= 26

So hospital figures are +4?

Oranage2

ACitizenErased wrote: »

101 positive swabs last 24hrs from 4998 tests

Looks like yourdeadwright will be right again

That's extremely worrying, so few swaps so many positive tests.

speckle

Glenbhoy wrote: »

According to wiki, kids get 10-12 colds per year, adults 2 - 4. Symptoms can last for 10 days, if we were to keep those displaying 'cold' symptoms of school until they had a negative test, they wouldn't be in too often. At least there'd be space to implement proper social distancing!!
Without spending too much time calculating, it seems that at any point probably several hundred thousand people in the country are infectious with a cold virus - is that accurate?

thats why we need the new type of testing for kids with a quick turnaround time. and in the meantime they learnfrom home. this quick turn is also important for parents that work and familys with high risk members. They kids need to be back in school but in a safetly planned way. And parents need to be informed comprehensively.

fritzelly

ACitizenErased wrote: »

91

92

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=114416992

is_that_so

Oranage2 wrote: »

That's extremely worrying, so few swaps so many positive tests.

It's about 2% and where we've been for a little while.

ACitizenErased

GooglePlus wrote: »

So hospital figures are +4?

If the hub is correct then as of 8am yes

spookwoman

Hub data is 8am in the morning

Widdensushi

3 positive tests for patients already in hospital? So there is a cluster in a hospital?

ACitizenErased

Widdensushi wrote: »

3 positive tests for patients already in hospital? So there is a cluster in a hospital?

No, people who were tested in hospital coming back positive

Polar101

ACitizenErased wrote: »

101 positive swabs last 24hrs from 4998 tests

Looks like yourdeadwright will be right again

Pretty close to a 2% positivity rate there. While that sounds higher than before, 98 out 100 tests are still negative.

And it's another day without exponential growth. Could be worse.

Boggles

Boggles wrote: »

Well no, what the studies actually suggest is that younger children spread the virus less but given they have more contacts in day to day life this will offset the gains in there inability to spread it.

There is no social distancing protocol for younger kids in their classrooms.

What our politicians and public health officials have done, is out right ignored science and cherry picked absolute best case scenarios from the very limited studies that have been conducted.

Politics ahead of science is always doomed to fail.

There is - they will remain within their classroom pod. One out all out.

We have chosen to live with it rather than eradicate. In in that scenario, choosing to take the risk on schools is the only way to get sufficient data to understand how to live with it and educate our children. I am hopeful clusters will be contained to their pods by a large. But some schools will have wider outbreaks.

seamus

ACitizenErased wrote: »

101 positive swabs last 24hrs from 4998 tests

Looks like yourdeadwright will be right again

That's 2%, it seems to be creeping up. When we throw in mass testing, the positive percentages drop, because of course they do. But on the days that we're only doing referrals from GP/hospitals, the positive rate seems to be trickling back up.

It's still low though and it's not increasing with any urgency. I can remember a time when we were celebrating the fact that 97.5% of tests were coming back negative.

gmisk

Funsterdelux wrote: »

Try asking a 3-8 year old if theyve lost their taste at 8am in the morning eating their tasteless wheatabix while wiping the snot from their open snot tap called a nose.

Hmm let me think of a possible solution....glass of wine and let them describe what they are getting from it?

Work colleague rang in sick this morning. Rang their doctor at 2:30pm and is scheduled for test at 4:20pm.

owlbethere

Funsterdelux wrote: »

Try asking a 3-8 year old if theyve lost their taste at 8am in the morning eating their tasteless wheatabix while wiping the snot from their open snot tap called a nose.

:pac: that is so funny. You're right. A child won't know if they lost their sense of taste or smell or they might be slow to identify it and parents rushing out the door won't have time to establish if there is a loss of taste or smell.

blowitupref

yourdeadwright wrote: »

A bit late today as iv been a busy man

92 new cases

Counties with the most cases today, Dublin and?

Kimbot

blowitupref wrote: »

Counties with the most cases today, Dublin and?

Gonna go out on a limb here and say KILDARE :P

Polar101

Kimbot wrote: »

Gonna go out on a limb here and say KILDARE :P

Time to lock down Kildare! No, wait.

Jim_Hodge

At least Santa's preparing for this being with us for another few months anyway.

https://www.rte.ie/news/newslens/2020/0825/1161230-santa-christmas-coronavirus/

Boggles

Deleted User wrote: »

There is - they will remain within their classroom pod. One out all out.

We have chosen to live with it rather than eradicate. In in that scenario, choosing to take the risk on schools is the only way to get sufficient data to understand how to live with it and educate our children. I am hopeful clusters will be contained to their pods by a large. But some schools will have wider outbreaks.

Jesus. When a child walks out the door, a school has no control of what that child does, it's going to mix with other kids, it's going to get picked up by various people, it's going to stay in various peoples houses and you can multiply that by the other 30 kids in the class and then 500 for the rest of that school, Then multiple that by over a million.

That is reality.

In the next 2 weeks we will have 10s of millions of movements, interactions and contacts daily that we have not had since March.

The idea with infection rate on the rise in the community that you can throw that into the mix and continue to play "whack a mole" is downright reckless, the "wait and see what happens" method you are suggesting is just plain and utter stupidity.

As it is, given what NPHET have said in the past, we are at best 6-8 weeks away from National Restrictions and that is without the schools returning.

Absolute best case scenario we knock until mid November out of the schools until the virus has reseeded nationally where the only option will be March like restrictions.

You can ignore science, cherry pick best case scenarios pretend humans under the age of 19 are completely biologically different to other humans or just bury your head in the sand.

None of that will stop the spread of it.

Funsterdelux

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

At least Santa's preparing for this being with us for another few months anyway.

https://www.rte.ie/news/newslens/2020/0825/1161230-santa-christmas-coronavirus/

All these Xmas experiences will have to come up with an alternative to meeting santa in a small unventilated room.

Santy2015

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

At least Santa's preparing for this being with us for another few months anyway.

https://www.rte.ie/news/newslens/2020/0825/1161230-santa-christmas-coronavirus/

I’ll be less busy this year!

Glenbhoy

caveat emptor wrote: »

There is evidence of viral load as a predictor on mortality.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2600(20)30354-4/fulltext

Not going to pretend i understand all those greek symbols and things, but that seems to measure viral load at diagnosis, aside from the fact that it'd be nigh on impossible to measure any earlier, does that really help us?
We still don't know what the load at point of infection was - is the theory that the higher the initial load, the quicker the multiplication, the less able the immune system can cope and the body becomes overwhelmed - that ignores all this cytokine storm stuff which baffles me anyway.

speckle

owlbethere wrote: »

:pac: that is so funny. You're right. A child won't know if they lost their sense of taste or smell or they might be slow to identify it and parents rushing out the door won't have time to establish if there is a loss of taste or smell.

I have been using flowers/essential oils which I love the smell of and garlic which I hate. I am sure most parents/guardians would know their kids well enough to come up with equivalents. Cod liver oil yuck.