Covid 19 Part XXII-30,360 in ROI(1,781 deaths) 8,035 in NI (568 deaths)(10/09)Read OP

amandstu

Does anyone know of any other coronavirus discussion forums?

Not necessarily based in Ireland.

ACitizenErased

amandstu wrote: »

Does anyone know of any other coronavirus discussion forums?

Not necessarily based in Ireland.

r/coronavirus is good for news stories on reddit
r/COVID19 is for scientific discussion

yourdeadwright

61 cases today,
39 Dublin
13 Kildare

ACitizenErased

yourdeadwright wrote: »

61 cases today,
39 Dublin
13 Kildare

Thats not bad at all at all

yourdeadwright

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Thats not bad at all at all

If it's correct

ACitizenErased

yourdeadwright wrote: »

If it's correct

You were dead wright last two times :P

redunited

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Thats not bad at all at all

Eh?

Weekend figures, and since when is over 60 not too bad?

stephenjmcd

yourdeadwright wrote: »

61 cases today,
39 Dublin
13 Kildare

What will this be if its right 3 days in a row ?

Does your mate get them early in the day or does he know someone working in DoH

Non solum non ambulabit

yourdeadwright wrote: »

61 cases today,
39 Dublin
13 Kildare

Dublin and Kildare really are driving the numbers of late.

Before the whataboutery starts I know it is nationwide but it is much lower in many counties.

Let's hope no back log baked in here.

ACitizenErased

redunited wrote: »

Eh?

Weekend figures, and since when is over 60 not too bad?

Testing doesn’t slow down at the weekend
When you have 100+ yesterday, a lower number is good....

Non solum non ambulabit

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Testing doesn’t slow down at the weekend
When you have 100+ yesterday, a lower number is good....

Lower is always good but some are never happy.

gozunda

podgeandrodge wrote: »

Nothing I was referring to was about where most people die. It was in a response to a discussion on how long people generally stayed in nursing homes. So not clear on why you are talking about "place of death" here. I quoted facts from a US study. Feel free to elaborate on why drawing conclusions from a study of nursing homes in the US is "not fair to say by any stretch of the imagination", I'm genuinely curious as to why. As for accusing me of "fishing for any argument pushing that older people are effectively expendable under the current pandemic as they are "going to die anyway'" :rolleyes:Again, your continuation of another subject - that a report found that just 12 % of older people spent time in a hospice and/or nursing homes (18%) prior to death" is not what I was discussing. I have no doubt that it's perfectly possible that only 12% of the population spent time in such locations before dying. I was referring to those in nursing homes and the likely length of their stay there. I think you have missed the point but feel free to continue to be outraged

First. That's funny! First my reply relates to eldely people in nursing homes - did you miss that? AND not "about where most people die" as you've claimed above

But yes you most certainly did go on about (elderly) people dying in nursing homes as a place of death.!

And Just in case you forgot - Here's your previous contribution all about imagining eldely people dying in droves in nursing hones

podgeandrodge wrote:

...From a US study (acknowledging I don't know if there are variances with quality of care between USA and Ireland):

"In a study of elderly Americans who moved to a nursing home for their final months or years of life, 65 percent died here within one year, according to an investigation by researchers at the San Francisco VA Medical Center and the University of California, San Francisco.

The average age of participants when they moved to a nursing home was about 83. The average length of stay before death was 13.7 months, while the median was five months. Fifty-three percent of nursing home residents in the study died within six months."

To me, it's fair to say that most people going to nursing homes don't spend many years there. I would imagine most residents are there for good.

Lol. Not not at all "outraged' at all my friend. You used a US study of one nursing home facility as a (dodgy) plank for your argument that "that most people going to nursing homes don't spend many years there. I would imagine most residents are there for good"

In the above you clearly infer to nursing homes of place of death for elderly people. So I think maybe you are the one confused?

As pointed out the US study is irrelevant as it pertains solely to just one nursing home in the USA and not to the health care system and elder care here ir even world-wide

Plenty of EU and Irish studies available online. Absolutely no need to 'imagine' anything...

speckle

amandstu wrote: »

Does anyone know of any other coronavirus discussion forums?

Not necessarily based in Ireland.

https://flutrackers.com/forum/index.php


They need to be emailed as only really accepting people with medical or research background at the moment because of huge requests but you can join in on their twitter page.



They have a scientific resource library for covid on their website. They were the first people in December to publish what was happening in China and got thanked by CIDRAP.


Hope that helps easy to get lost in all the covid discussion forums etc and nice to get different views or listen/watch individivual specialist sites like medcram or twiv.


So many specialists in so many different areas... even with differing views within those specialist areas. You need to be a crow to get a birds eye view sometimes. And understandably they are focused on their own corners.

redunited

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Testing doesn’t slow down at the weekend
When you have 100+ yesterday, a lower number is good....

Reporting of cases slows down, thats why we get a big increase midweek.

ACitizenErased

redunited wrote: »

Reporting of cases slows down, thats why we get a big increase midweek.

There's no set day when case reporting slows down. It was Thursday last week for whatever reason.

ACitizenErased

Statement from the UK Chief Medical Officers on schools and childcare reopening

We are confident in the extensive evidence that there is an exceptionally small risk of children of primary or secondary school age dying from COVID-19. The infection fatality rate (proportion of those who are infected who die) for those aged 5 to 14 is estimated at 14 per million, lower than for most seasonal flu infections. Every death of a child is a tragedy but COVID-19 deaths in children and teenagers are fortunately extremely rare and almost all deaths are in children with significant pre-existing health conditions.

We are confident that there is clear evidence of a very low rate of severe disease in children of primary and secondary school ages compared to adults, even if they catch COVID-19. The percentage of symptomatic cases requiring hospitalisation is estimated to be 0.1% for children aged 0 to 9 and 0.3% among those aged 10 to 19, compared to a hospitalisation rate of over 4% in the UK for the general population. Most of these children make a rapid recovery.

We are confident that there is clear evidence from many studies that the great majority of children and teenagers who catch COVID-19 have mild symptoms or no symptoms at all.

There is reasonable, but not yet conclusive, evidence that primary school age children have a significantly lower rate of infection than adults (they are less likely to catch it).

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/statement-from-the-uk-chief-medical-officers-on-schools-and-childcare-reopening

Covid19

Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »

Dublin and Kildare really are driving the numbers of late.
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Before the whataboutery starts I know it is nationwide but it is much lower in many counties.

Let's hope no back log baked in here.

Do you think there will be a huge spike in two weeks or so after the gathering in Dublin over the weekend?

Non solum non ambulabit

gozunda wrote: »

Plenty of EU and Irish studies available online. Absolutely no need to 'imagine' anything...

Link would be of great interest. I didn't find anything clear. Thanks

wadacrack

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Statement from the UK Chief Medical Officers on schools and childcare reopening

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/statement-from-the-uk-chief-medical-officers-on-schools-and-childcare-reopening

Will quickly become out of control and unsafe. Seconday infection at homes will happen . Unsustainable plan atm and all for the sake of a few weeks normality.


https://twitter.com/SafaMote/status/1297243810234347521

ACitizenErased

wadacrack wrote: »

Will quickly become out of control and unsafe. Seconday infection at homes will happen . Unsustainable plan atm and all for the sake of a few weeks normality.


https://twitter.com/SafaMote/status/1297243810234347521

Almost every single public health representative believes schools will be safe.

wadacrack

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Almost every single public health representative believes schools will be safe.

They have all admitted their will be outbreaks.That's not believing it will be safe.Many believe its going to contribute to a harsh 2nd wave. Its obviously much more complex than just assuming than its a low risk virus to kids. Many more factors at play and as seen in Berlin its going to cause many problems

ACitizenErased

wadacrack wrote: »

They have all admitted their will be outbreaks.That's not believing it will be safe.Many believe its going to contribute to a harsh 2nd wave. Its obviously much more complex than just assuming than its a low risk virus to kids. Many more factors at play and as seen in Berlin its going to cause many problems

Professor Nolan:

He said there is very little evidence internationally that schools are a major site of transmission or spread of Covid-19. He said children can get the disease, but they are contracting it more so at home than elsewhere.
"We will see cases in students and cases in teachers and clusters in schools, but when we see that, we need to think carefully and look carefully, because it remains unlikely when we see that," he said.
He added: "If, for instance, there are two children in the same school with Covid in two months' time, it is much more likely that those two kids have separately got it within their own households, rather than transmitting from child to child within the school."
He said Germany was a good example, where cases confirmed in schools stemmed from children contracting the virus in a home setting.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0823/1160804-ireland-coronavirus/

Non solum non ambulabit

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Almost every single public health representative believes schools will be safe.

Yes. We have to try at least. It would be a disaster if the govt sacrificed our children's development any longer. There will be many schools in many towns that won't have any cases and that alone makes it worth opening.

pjohnson

Ignoring the students unless teachers are expected to just work regardless of any student testing positive or having symptoms/testing positive themselves then where are the teachers gunna come from?

Teachers needing to quarantine will be a big problem.

is_that_so

wadacrack wrote: »

They have all admitted their will be outbreaks.That's not believing it will be safe.Many believe its going to contribute to a harsh 2nd wave. Its obviously much more complex than just assuming than its a low risk virus to kids. Many more factors at play and as seen in Berlin its going to cause many problems

Outbreaks yes, a harsh 2nd wave no. There may be issues with how Berlin went about it and some have suggested they had very lax protocols.

FintanMcluskey

pjohnson wrote: »

Ignoring the students unless teachers are expected to just work regardless of any student testing positive or having symptoms/testing positive themselves then where are the teachers gunna come from?

Teachers needing to quarantine will be a big problem.

Exactly P.

And its issues like that the fuel the argument for living with the virus or bunker up until a vaccine is found.

Does the school shut when a child sneezes?

Non solum non ambulabit

Even NZ recognised that their policy of zero Covid will still result in outbreaks....which as it expected it did. There is nothing anyone can do to prevent outbreaks. People that think otherwise are so wrong.

is_that_so

Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »

Even NZ recognised that their policy of zero Covid will still result in outbreaks....which as it expected it did. There is nothing anyone can do to prevent outbreaks. People that think otherwise are so wrong.

I agree, it's about making sure we have disease management mechanisms that are top notch and respond swiftly.

ACitizenErased

61 cases

ACitizenErased

30 are men / 30 are women

67% are under 45 years of age

23 associated with outbreaks or are close contacts of a confirmed case

16 cases community transmission

39 in Dublin, 13 in Kildare and the remaining 9 cases are in Cork, Kerry, Laois, Limerick, Longford and Wicklow.