man blames drug problem issues on drug users

Duffy the Vampire Slayer

Eric Cartman wrote: »

coca leaves aren't like cannabis plants, the price of cocaine would be astronomical to produce in the western world unless you stripped away all of the workers rights and gave them a pittance.

So? Produce it in Colombia, Peru or Bolivia and let those countries export cocaine legally.

Eric Cartman

Duffy the Vampire Slayer wrote: »

So? Produce it in Colombia, Peru or Bolivia and let those countries export cocaine legally.

the cartels own those countries. You'd end up with 20x the bloodshed.

Duffy the Vampire Slayer

Eric Cartman wrote: »

the cartels own those countries. You'd end up with 20x the bloodshed.

You're talking out of your hole. Why do you think large cartels emerged outside the law? It's because those countries happen to be able to provide a service the rich world wants, but is also determined to punish them for providing.

tayto lover

suicide_circus wrote: »

Employers forcing their staff to piss in a cup and then analysing said piss always struck me as a gross overstepping of authority if not downright creepy. It's not the role of businesses within society to police their employee's private activities.

What about if those same workers are drivers, machine operators or in charge of children? Do you want them as high as kites?
What if Insurance companies insisted on it being done in factories or other workplaces?

Junkyard Tom

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

Yep, that would reduce the amount of drug users you see on O'Connell street off their heads and mugging people to pay for it.

Mugging is mugging. Vagrancy is vagrancy. Deal with each accordingly. Personally I think aggressive-begging and being off-your-box in a public place should be dealt with swiftly and decisively and those apprehended should be banned from the city centres.

Of course, drug dealers would absolutely vanish if it was legalised because they stopped smuggling alcohol and tobacco, right?

Nirvana fallacy.

And of course being legal means that people don't consume too much, don't cause social and health issues and absolutely 100% don't still tie up revenue, Gardai and paramedics time.

That's drug abuse which should be dealt with as a health issue.

I used to debate these issues on boards but gave up and now I remember why, it's tedious trying to reason with people who refuse to be reasoned with.

AllForIt

I don't mind that a mod edited the thread title if they felt it was a bit too clickbaity or contentious. I have already explained my reasoning for the original title though, i.e. because one can't but think that the politician is defending his own demographic because he is part of it, and shifts blame to a demographic of which he is not part. I think it's obvious he's not middle-class (read middle-class-white).

Could have at least capitalised man though : ) or put his name in instead. Thanks.

Eric Cartman

tayto lover wrote: »

What about if those same workers are drivers, machine operators or in charge of children? Do you want them as high as kites?
What if Insurance companies insisted on it being done in factories or other workplaces?

id agree with drug testing those workers, but until they drug test all welfare recipients I think it should be banned.

AllForIt

tayto lover wrote: »

What about if those same workers are drivers, machine operators or in charge of children? Do you want them as high as kites?
What if Insurance companies insisted on it being done in factories or other workplaces?

What about alcohol. Working with a hangover if not drunk would equally be disruptive to one's ability in those jobs.

But of course where Bailey is coming from has nothing to do with those kinds of concerns. He's shifting blame for his own political advantage.

AllForIt

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

So these scummy classes, who are inherently scummy, have they always existed? What would your final solution be for this problem?

I don't think killing them is the solution. They'll just resurface again, if we encourage it, and by encouraging it I mean by taking blame off them and putting it on someone else.

Realt Dearg Sec

AllForIt wrote: »

I don't think killing them is the solution. They'll just resurface again, if we encourage it, and by encouraging it I mean by taking blame off them and putting it on someone else.

That would seem to imply that you think there are social causes for the emergence of a given class behaviour, rather than seeing it as something inherent to people.

But it's weird that someone can see themselves as a good person, while also believing the only reason not to kill an entire social class is because they'll "resurface again".

suicide_circus

tayto lover wrote: »

What about if those same workers are drivers, machine operators or in charge of children? Do you want them as high as kites?
What if Insurance companies insisted on it being done in factories or other workplaces?

Perhaps in special circumstances operating heavy machinery i can understand it but for your average office/shop grunt it's crossing all kinda boundaries, the state cant even drug test you unless you're driving, no way should a private corporation be permitted to do so.