The wondrous adventures of Sinn Fein (part 2)

FrancieBrady

blanch152 wrote: »

Any update on when Conor Murphy will get permission to tell the Gardai the identity of the IRA person he met to discuss the Paul Quinn case, who was able to reassure him of their non-involvement. It would significantly help the case if the Gardai were to get that information first-hand.

The Gardai already know the IRA were not involved as do the IMC and PSNI...who did they talk to?

I beginning to think the PSNI don't want to solve it, (they know who was there, and the details of what happened, even fecking Johnny Flash knows) it is too valuable a case to bring up and exploit for the usual cohort, who have a fondness for select victims.

blanch152

Truthvader wrote: »

I'd like to take this opportunity to apologise to tennis clubs everywhere for my error in linking them to the death of Paul Quinn. I have since carried out a bit of research and as per the link below it it turns out is was, ....er.. Sinn Fein/IRA who were responsible.

Also note that Paul Quinn's mother is in fact grateful to people for bringing this issue up - as I know that some select few here are concerned that references to this murder and cover up are upsetting to the family and/or that they might feel that Pauls murder is being "used" in some way. This will obviously come as a great relief to those people who have displayed such concern for Paul's family

https://extra.ie/2020/02/04/news/politics/man-allegedly-killed-ira-quinn

It is strange that when you mention victims of the IRA by name, you get the foaming at the mouth response that you are exploiting victims. However, when you listen to the victims and survivors - people such as the Quinn family, the Stack family, Mairia Cahill among many - they have the same wish to have their voices heard and the memory of what was done kept alive.

blanch152

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The Gardai already know the IRA were not involved as do the IMC and PSNI...who did they talk to?

I beginning to think the PSNI don't want to solve it, (they know who was there, and the details of what happened, even fecking Johnny Flash knows) it is too valuable a case to bring up and exploit for the usual cohort, who have a fondness for select victims.

Conor Murphy met and talked to someone who told him the IRA had nothing to do with it and that Paul Quinn was a common criminal. We know that the second part of what he was told was a disgusting lie, but it is vitally important that Conor steps up and tells the Gardai who he met so that the information can be verified. It would be awful if that person turned out to have lied to him twice.

FrancieBrady

blanch152 wrote: »

Conor Murphy met and talked to someone who told him the IRA had nothing to do with it and that Paul Quinn was a common criminal. We know that the second part of what he was told was a disgusting lie, but it is vitally important that Conor steps up and tells the Gardai who he met so that the information can be verified. It would be awful if that person turned out to have lied to him twice.

The Gardai briefed Bertie Ahern in with exactly the same info that they got from the PSNI and the IMC.
Are you saying they lied too?

I understand the predicament Murphy is in. It is the same one a journalist is in with their sources.

Who, other than you has said it is 'vital' he reveals these names BTW?

blanch152

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The Gardai briefed Bertie Ahern in with exactly the same info that they got from the PSNI and the IMC.
Are you saying they lied too?

I understand the predicament Murphy is in. It is the same one a journalist is in with their sources.

Who, other than you has said it is 'vital' he reveals these names BTW?

More mealy-mouthed excuses for the inexcusable.

Murphy is not a journalist, he has a responsibility to uphold the law as a public representative. The predicament doesn't exist for him.

maccored

jh79 wrote: »

How can someone from the Republic be an Unionist? If there is a border poll i'll be in a Republic either way.

you say the unionist mindset cant exist in the south?

FrancieBrady

blanch152 wrote: »

More mealy-mouthed excuses for the inexcusable.

Murphy is not a journalist, he has a responsibility to uphold the law as a public representative. The predicament doesn't exist for him.

What law did he break?

He has the same information that the IMC the PSNI and the Gardai have - The IRA were not involved. And Paul Quinn was involved in criminal activity.
The IMC or the PSNI have not withdrawn that and Bertie Ahern was even very careful with his words when making apologies...he was sorry 'for concentrating on that aspect of Paul Quinns character.

It is therefore a murder case, exactly the same as many many others that take place in the UK and Ireland every year, sadly.
If Murphy is withholding evidence in that he should be charged with it. Why do you think he hasn't been charged?

blanch152

FrancieBrady wrote: »

What law did he break?

He has the same information that the IMC the PSNI and the Gardai have - The IRA were not involved. And Paul Quinn was involved in criminal activity.
The IMC or the PSNI have not withdrawn that and Bertie Ahern was even very careful with his words when making apologies...he was sorry 'for concentrating on that aspect of Paul Quinns character.

It is therefore a murder case, exactly the same as many many others that take place in the UK and Ireland every year, sadly.
If Murphy is withholding evidence in that he should be charged with it. Why do you think he hasn't been charged?

How do you know he has the same information that the IMC, the PSNI and the Gardai have? Are you privileged to be in possession of the files?


And there you go, repeating the lies about Paul Quinn that only Conor Murphy refuses to apologise for.

FrancieBrady

blanch152 wrote: »

How do you know he has the same information that the IMC, the PSNI and the Gardai have? Are you privileged to be in possession of the files?


And there you go, repeating the lies about Paul Quinn that only Conor Murphy refuses to apologise for.

That is what the IMC said blanch...that is what I am 'repeating'.

I know because Murphy said he spoke to the local IRA who told him they were not involved.

The IMC and The PSNI agree.

maccored

mynamejeff wrote: »

stop and think for a second will you

do you really believe that everyone who doesn't loyally subscribe to your violent dim witted brand of out of date childish republicanism isn't a tricolour burning bowler hat wearing dup unionist ?

almost all the time both sides are wrong

your violent dim witted brand of out of date childish republicanism

where are you getting this bull**** out of. Get off your high horse and cop on. Theres one person being childish in this conversation and you know that person better than anyone

Ive been entertaining myself reading your posts. Personally I dont see much of a difference between what you say about and what unionists say. as I say - dont be so ashamed of that and just admit it. Great to sit on the fence and pontificate about how both sides are wrong. boths sides are wrong in every conflict and war, but only one side acts as the bully in this one

To listen to ye's you'd think you really believe you actually have a balls notion.

Truthvader

FrancieBrady wrote: »

What law did he break?

He has the same information that the IMC the PSNI and the Gardai have - The IRA were not involved. And Paul Quinn was involved in criminal activity.
The IMC or the PSNI have not withdrawn that and Bertie Ahern was even very careful with his words when making apologies...he was sorry 'for concentrating on that aspect of Paul Quinns character.

It is therefore a murder case, exactly the same as many many others that take place in the UK and Ireland every year, sadly.
If Murphy is withholding evidence in that he should be charged with it. Why do you think he hasn't been charged?

"the IRA were not involved"

A brazen lie.

jh79

maccored wrote: »

you say the unionist mindset cant exist in the south?

You'd have to define what a Unionist mindset is and how it applies to the Republic? I could understand a person being called a Tory or Conservative but not a Unionist in the context of the Republic.

FrancieBrady

Truthvader wrote: »

"the IRA were not involved"

A brazen lie.

If you have info to the contrary ....

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The IMC wrote:

The killing was clearly contrary to the instructions and strategy of the leadership of PIRA. It was also contrary to the interests of PIRA and to those of Sinn Féin. We are aware of no evidence linking the leadership of PIRA to the incident. In

FrancieBrady

jh79 wrote: »

You'd have to define what a Unionist mindset is and how it applies to the Republic? I could understand a person being called a Tory or Conservative but not a Unionist in the context of the Republic.

People in the south who wish to see the Union of Northern Ireland and Britain maintained.

Not that hard to understand.

jm08

blanch152 wrote: »

It is strange that when you mention victims of the IRA by name, you get the foaming at the mouth response that you are exploiting victims. However, when you listen to the victims and survivors - people such as the Quinn family, the Stack family, Mairia Cahill among many - they have the same wish to have their voices heard and the memory of what was done kept alive.

Not a peep out of FF/FG for Paul Quinn's recent anniversary. I wonder why that was. Paul Quinn's family will probably have to wait until the next election for FF/FG to take an interest again!

jm08

blanch152 wrote: »

How do you know he has the same information that the IMC, the PSNI and the Gardai have? Are you privileged to be in possession of the files?


And there you go, repeating the lies about Paul Quinn that only Conor Murphy refuses to apologise for.

Bertie announced in the Dail that Paul Quinn was a criminal long before Murphy said a thing.

The murder in Monaghan last month of Paul Quinn "was not paramilitary but pertained to feuds about criminality that were taking place", the Taoiseach told the Dáil. Bertie Ahern said the Government had received a number of reports from both gardaí "and secondhand from the PSNI, and both of them match at this stage, that this action was due to criminality".

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/garda-says-quinn-killing-a-criminal-feud-ahern-1.982248

blanch152

FrancieBrady wrote: »

If you have info to the contrary ....

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"We are aware of no evidence linking the leadership of PIRA to the incident."

Have you even read the sentence?

"we are aware" - so they immediately at the start of the sentence, introduce a caveat. They are not definitive about something, it is limited to their awareness.

"of no evidence" - again they don't say there is no evidence, that there won't be evidence, just that they are aware of no evidence. Again the word evidence is crucial, they may have been aware of hearsay, they may have heard rumours of IRA involvement, but they are only aware of no evidence.

"linking the leadership of the PIRA", so there is evidence linking the members of the IRA and the local leadership to the murder? Is that what the IMC are hinting at? From the strange language used, that certainly is the way it looks.

"to the incident", just to the incident in this case. Maybe the leadership of the PIRA ordered the kneecapping or the summary execution of Paul Quinn, but the IMCA are aware of no evidence linking the leadership of the IRA to the incident which involved a man having every bone broken in his body and left alive to die in pain.

An awful lot left open there, Francie. And that's before you consider whether the PSNI and Gardai can really look at this in case the IMC were wrong in even the limited way they excused the PIRA (Yeah, I know, I am straying into Bowie territory here).

blanch152

jm08 wrote: »

Bertie announced in the Dail that Paul Quinn was a criminal long before Murphy said a thing.

Not going down in the sewer with you on this one. You know well that Bertie apologised and corrected the record.

FrancieBrady

blanch152 wrote: »

"We are aware of no evidence linking the leadership of PIRA to the incident."

Have you even read the sentence?

"we are aware" - so they immediately at the start of the sentence, introduce a caveat. They are not definitive about something, it is limited to their awareness.

"of no evidence" - again they don't say there is no evidence, that there won't be evidence, just that they are aware of no evidence. Again the word evidence is crucial, they may have been aware of hearsay, they may have heard rumours of IRA involvement, but they are only aware of no evidence.

"linking the leadership of the PIRA", so there is evidence linking the members of the IRA and the local leadership to the murder? Is that what the IMC are hinting at? From the strange language used, that certainly is the way it looks.

"to the incident", just to the incident in this case. Maybe the leadership of the PIRA ordered the kneecapping or the summary execution of Paul Quinn, but the IMCA are aware of no evidence linking the leadership of the IRA to the incident which involved a man having every bone broken in his body and left alive to die in pain.

An awful lot left open there, Francie. And that's before you consider whether the PSNI and Gardai can really look at this in case the IMC were wrong in even the limited way they excused the PIRA (Yeah, I know, I am straying into Bowie territory here).

Maybe the IMC don't proceed to guilt on foot of allegations like some?

The full report:

4.3 In Section 3 above we do not attribute the killing to PIRA . This is for several reasons: the local and personal nature of its roots; the absence of indications either of organisational sanction or that it was in the interests of PIRA; and because it was contrary to the declared policy which PIRA has been following for over two years. We are reinforced in this view by the subsequent public remarks to which we refer above. The fact that some local members or former members or associates of the organisation were involved in the incident does not in our view justify attributing it to PIRA. In reaching this conclusion we are applying the standards we have consistently followed in respect of all kinds of paramilitary incidents, and to which we have referred in the past .

4.4 We recognise that the involvement of local members or former members or associates of the organisation in the way we have described is bound to raise questions about the level of control exercised by the leadership of PIRA. The PIRA leadership has had some difficulties in the past in exercising authority in South Armagh. Looking more widely in Ireland North and South we do not find evidence to suggest that this recent rejection of instructions is a general problem.

If you have an issue with the above, maybe it is time you focused on inadequacies in monitoring and policing?

blanch152

Don't expect any of the usual Shinner crowd to respond but here is some more terrible news from Northern Ireland

https://www.rte.ie/news/ulster/2020/1027/1174094-antrim-area-hospital/

"The seven day infection rate per 100,000 of population for Northern Ireland is 345.1."

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/1027/1174230-covid-ireland-latest/


"The 14-day incidence rate per 100,000 of population for the country as is 307.6."

Their seven-day rate is higher than our 14-day rate!!!! That is very scary for the people of Northern Ireland.

"Two patients and seven members of staff on a ward at the Ulster Hospital on the outskirts of Belfast have tested positive for Covid-19.

Nine other patients are self-isolating and the ward has been closed to new admissions and visitors."

Quite scary that they have let it escape within the hospitals again up there.

blanch152

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Maybe the IMC don't proceed to guilt on foot of allegations like some?

The full report:

If you have an issue with the above, maybe it is time you focused on inadequacies in monitoring and policing?

Inadequacies in monitoring and policing??????

Are you having a laugh??

If people like Conor Murphy won't go to the police with the information and names that he has, then of course there will be inadequacies in policing. Ditto with witnesses needing permission from Sinn Fein to testify.

FrancieBrady

blanch152 wrote: »

Don't expect any of the usual Shinner crowd to respond but here is some more terrible news from Northern Ireland

https://www.rte.ie/news/ulster/2020/1027/1174094-antrim-area-hospital/

"The seven day infection rate per 100,000 of population for Northern Ireland is 345.1."

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/1027/1174230-covid-ireland-latest/


"The 14-day incidence rate per 100,000 of population for the country as is 307.6."

Their seven-day rate is higher than our 14-day rate!!!! That is very scary for the people of Northern Ireland.

"Two patients and seven members of staff on a ward at the Ulster Hospital on the outskirts of Belfast have tested positive for Covid-19.

Nine other patients are self-isolating and the ward has been closed to new admissions and visitors."

Quite scary that they have let it escape within the hospitals again up there.

It's Blanch's Macabre Competition Time Again!

FrancieBrady

blanch152 wrote: »

Inadequacies in monitoring and policing??????

Are you having a laugh??

If people like Conor Murphy won't go to the police with the information and names that he has, then of course there will be inadequacies in policing. Ditto with witnesses needing permission from Sinn Fein to testify.

You are the one casting doubt on the findings of the IMC and the police.

Why hasn't Murphy been arrested and charged with withholding this information if it is seen as valuable by the police?

Would that in itself not be a severe criticism of the police? Or might it be that YOU are giving it a value that doesn't exist?

blanch152

FrancieBrady wrote: »

It's Blanch's Macabre Competition Time Again!

It is not a macabre competition, it is an expose of the serious culpability of the SF/DUP Stormont government in causing so much misery and worry.

FrancieBrady

blanch152 wrote: »

It is not a macabre competition, it is an expose of the serious culpability of the SF/DUP Stormont government in causing so much misery and worry.

Yeh, and the 5 deaths and 720 cases here today in a Level 5 Lockdown that the government had to be panicked into has not caused any worry and misery.

Take your fingerpointing for political gain somewhere else, it's disgusting.

blanch152

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Yeh, and the 5 deaths and 720 cases here today in a Level 5 Lockdown that the government had to be panicked into has not caused any worry and misery.

Take your fingerpointing for political gain somewhere else, it's disgusting.

Astonishingly hypocritical post from the poster who has spent the last six months ad nauseum criticising the government down here for the handling of the pandemic from Cheltenham to lockdown and Golfgate to opening up.

The government down here has made mistakes, so has every government in the world. The only way of knowing whether they have done relatively badly or not is by comparing with the nearest neighbours.

There is absolutely no doubt that Varadkar and Martin have handled the pandemic far far better than O'Neill and Foster. That needs to be owned by Sinn Fein and their supporters who need to bring a bit of perspective to their non-stop opposition for oppositions sake.

mynamejeff

maccored wrote: »

your violent dim witted brand of out of date childish republicanism

where are you getting this bull**** out of. Get off your high horse and cop on. Theres one person being childish in this conversation and you know that person better than anyone

Ive been entertaining myself reading your posts. Personally I dont see much of a difference between what you say about and what unionists say. as I say - dont be so ashamed of that and just admit it. Great to sit on the fence and pontificate about how both sides are wrong. boths sides are wrong in every conflict and war, but only one side acts as the bully in this one

To listen to ye's you'd think you really believe you actually have a balls notion.

Im getting it from your multiple posts of course


your little rant is a clear example of what I said ,

most people will be able to see that

anyone who doesn't fully agree with you is the enemy

its a response you see a lot with petulant teens but they usually grow out of it .


worried about davy now

FrancieBrady

blanch152 wrote: »

Astonishingly hypocritical post from the poster who has spent the last six months ad nauseum criticising the government down here for the handling of the pandemic from Cheltenham to lockdown and Golfgate to opening up.

They are my government, I will criticise and praise as I see fit without any attempted censorship from you.

What I have NOT done is engage in the sick fingerpointing at somewhere else in the same situation as us, i.e.- severe difficulty (Level 5 here...as high as the plan goes)>
If you can find a post where I have pointed at somewhere else (that is ANYWHERE else) in order to score some cheap political points, do so.

The government down here has made mistakes, so has every government in the world. The only way of knowing whether they have done relatively badly or not is by comparing with the nearest neighbours.

There is absolutely no doubt that Varadkar and Martin have handled the pandemic far far better than O'Neill and Foster. That needs to be owned by Sinn Fein and their supporters who need to bring a bit of perspective to their non-stop opposition for oppositions sake.

Ah, and there is the arrogant, 'we will not be told' sthick out again.

Truthvader

FrancieBrady wrote: »

If you have info to the contrary ....

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Why do you persist with this stupidity

See yet another link below as to who was responsible - and don't bother us with your usual drivel about "actions" being unauthorised or unsanctioned or without the knowledge of the leadership as if Sinn Fein IRA and their leadership were some kind of honourable organisation led by prudent and reliable gentlemen whose word can be relied on rather than a corrupted gang of killers and thugs routinely lying as matter of course. Do you really think anyone pays the slightest attention to what the likes of Gerry Adam or Slab might say from time to time - or "P O'Neil" who doesn't even exist.

Paul was murdered by local IRA scum as you yourself well know

https://magill.ie/archive/murder-impunity

FrancieBrady

Truthvader wrote: »

Why do you persist with this stupidity

See yet another link below as to who was responsible - and don't bother us with your usual drivel about "actions" being unauthorised or unsanctioned or without the knowledge of the leadership as if Sinn Fein IRA and their leadership were some kind of honourable organisation led by prudent and reliable gentlemen whose word can be relied on rather than a corrupted gang of killers and thugs routinely lying as matter of course. Do you really think anyone pays the slightest attention to what the likes of Gerry Adam or Slab might say from time to time - or "P O'Neil" who doesn't even exist.

Paul was murdered by local IRA scum as you yourself well know

https://magill.ie/archive/murder-impunity

Ok...so Truth has his own version of the truth.

'It's the IRA no matter what'. Thankfully you are nobody of substance in these things.