The wondrous adventures of Sinn Fein (part 2)

jm08

blanch152 wrote: »

Only quoting from what the lad said himself a couple of months back.

As for myself, you don't need to worry about me at all. Plenty of income coming in here now, was talking about a time 30 years ago when sacrifices were made that Hattrick's generation don't want to make. I suppose it shows how the successful management of the economy by various governments over the last three or four decades has changed expectations.

I have come through the same era as you when income tax and interest rates were very high, accommodation was poorish (cold and draughty), but good crack. Despite the long dole queues and businesses collapsing everywhere it was possible to get a mortgage with some sacrifices on lifestyle (I had a car then) and I still managed to go on a few skiing holidays. What I see now though is that young people don't see how they can ever afford to own their own place now and that is why they spend money on the lattes and the holidays because buying a house with the current supply is unachievable.

jm08

Yeah_Right wrote: »

When you talk about your generation, is it 20s to early 30s?
You mentioned that you had friends who are paying €1650 for a 1 bedroom flat. Why don't they house share? I did that into my early 30s. Had a great big place in Ranelagh with a few others. We were each paying between €600 and €750 plus bills. If we had wanted to live on our own in that neighbourhood, it would have cost a lot more. Or we could move somewhere further out and pay less.

Above you made the comment about an extra summer holiday. How about not taking a summer holiday for a few years and saving some money for a mortgage? Its called making sacrifices to achieve your goals. Rather than expecting me to pay for your lifestyle.

Air B&B obviously wasn't around in your day.

nigeldaniel

A lot of 20 somethings nowadays have a notion of entitlement that is nothing short of arrogant. Its quite unfortunate really as they just have so much coming at them by social media that they can't help but wanting what they see other folks having. When they don't get what they want they just get angry and decide that no one else will have it either. The irony has been some of them practice mindfulness without realising it comes in to play with their sense of entitlements. If they could find content within their own lives and planned to do better for themselves they would get to where they want. Kicking cans and protesting gets non of this.

tikkahunter

jm08 wrote: »

I have come through the same era as you when income tax and interest rates were very high, accommodation was poorish (cold and draughty), but good crack. Despite the long dole queues and businesses collapsing everywhere it was possible to get a mortgage with some sacrifices on lifestyle (I had a car then) and I still managed to go on a few skiing holidays. What I see now though is that young people don't see how they can ever afford to own their own place now and that is why they spend money on the lattes and the holidays because buying a house with the current supply is unachievable.

See JM that is one problem there , the days of the bedsit are gone and the flat that may not have been the best but was livable is also gone . Bedsits served a purpose in and around hospitals , colleges etc. They were an affordable place to live while still having money left to socialize and maybe save a few bob. For the past 8 years or so i have been listening to SF and all these clowns like PBP slamming these places as not fit too live - granted some were not but the vast majority where - a shared house where everyone had there own room and shared a kitchen and bathroom but the laws that these clowns campaigned for have now worked against this generation . Ok you all can have your own flat with a kitchen and bathroom but it will cost you an extra 200 euro a week or the student accommodation now being built around the city with gyms and cinemas - it all costs more so its a vicious circle . You have a hybrid now of with co - living being built and now have the usual suspects up in arms over it . You cant have it both ways im afraid .

Yeah_Right

jm08 wrote: »

Air B&B obviously wasn't around in your day.

No it was in its infancy here in Ireland when I was renting.
When I get a second property, I think I will definitely look at Air B&B or some sort of short term corporate letting for it. No way I would want to risk having a long term tenant in it.

Idbatterim

tikkahunter wrote: »

See JM that is one problem there , the days of the bedsit are gone and the flat that may not have been the best but was livable is also gone . Bedsits served a purpose in and around hospitals , colleges etc. They were an affordable place to live while still having money left to socialize and maybe save a few bob. For the past 8 years or so i have been listening to SF and all these clowns like PBP slamming these places as not fit too live - granted some were not but the vast majority where - a shared house where everyone had there own room and shared a kitchen and bathroom but the laws that these clowns campaigned for have now worked against this generation . Ok you all can have your own flat with a kitchen and bathroom but it will cost you an extra 200 euro a week or the student accommodation now being built around the city with gyms and cinemas - it all costs more so its a vicious circle . You have a hybrid now of with co - living being built and now have the usual suspects up in arms over it . You cant have it both ways im afraid .

absolutely, they are delusional morons! maybe well intentioned, but absolute morons. If we discover middle east levels of oil or had them, it might be an idea! but taking an affordable option of the table, when peoples only budget was that option, is idiocy. It reduced supply, some people just dont want to share with others, but dont have the budget for or dont want to give up socialising etc at the cost of having their own place...

blanch152

Idbatterim wrote: »

absolutely, they are delusional morons! maybe well intentioned, but absolute morons. If we discover middle east levels of oil or had them, it might be an idea! but taking an affordable option of the table, when peoples only budget was that option, is idiocy. It reduced supply, some people just dont want to share with others, but dont have the budget for or dont want to give up socialising etc at the cost of having their own place...

The Sinn Fein mentality is that whatever the hard-working has, we should have it for free.

maccored

blanch152 wrote: »

The Sinn Fein mentality is that whatever the hard-working has, we should have it for free.

once more you show you haven't really grasped what SF are about. Still - thats not my concern.

jm08

tikkahunter wrote: »

See JM that is one problem there , the days of the bedsit are gone and the flat that may not have been the best but was livable is also gone . Bedsits served a purpose in and around hospitals , colleges etc. They were an affordable place to live while still having money left to socialize and maybe save a few bob. For the past 8 years or so i have been listening to SF and all these clowns like PBP slamming these places as not fit too live - granted some were not but the vast majority where - a shared house where everyone had there own room and shared a kitchen and bathroom but the laws that these clowns campaigned for have now worked against this generation . Ok you all can have your own flat with a kitchen and bathroom but it will cost you an extra 200 euro a week or the student accommodation now being built around the city with gyms and cinemas - it all costs more so its a vicious circle . You have a hybrid now of with co - living being built and now have the usual suspects up in arms over it . You cant have it both ways im afraid .

Quite a lot of them were not livable in. I remember looking at a flat once that had newspapers as a floor covering and it stank. Two of my cousins were in a flat when they were in college and you would be afraid to touch anything in it and the floor was just concrete with no heating. They survived it because it was just for when they were in college, ate in college and went home every weekend with their washing.


In some of the flats I lived in during the 80s around Donnybrook, Ballsbridge, Ranelagh, Rathmines, you ended up sharing a room with one or two others. You were lucking if you had heating and if you had, it was controlled by the landlord.

jm08

blanch152 wrote: »

The Sinn Fein mentality is that whatever the hard-working has, we should have it for free.

That is bull****. Plenty of hardworking people can't afford to buy a house in Dublin.

jm08

jm08 wrote: »

That is bull****. Plenty of hardworking people can't afford to buy a house in Dublin.

I work 60 plus hours a week,most weeks,between work,nixers,and farm.....i cant afford to rent in my area (well i could so long as i didnt need to but food/heating),nor afford an extra commute in/out of here.....i pay significant amount of my wages at the higher bracket


Im.listed as lazy for not voting ffg.....jokeshop of a country and those running it

.....i worked abroad,2-3 jobs at times to get started,made a go and sucess of life there,only to.come home,to help elderly relatives on farms etc and be called lazy

tikkahunter

jm08 wrote: »

Quite a lot of them were not livable in. I remember looking at a flat once that had newspapers as a floor covering and it stank. Two of my cousins were in a flat when they were in college and you would be afraid to touch anything in it and the floor was just concrete with no heating. They survived it because it was just for when they were in college, ate in college and went home every weekend with their washing.


In some of the flats I lived in during the 80s around Donnybrook, Ballsbridge, Ranelagh, Rathmines, you ended up sharing a room with one or two others. You were lucking if you had heating and if you had, it was controlled by the landlord.

You should have came over to the northside.:D Cant speak for the 80's because i was never in any of them back then but through the 90's the majority were decent places to live- like in all walks of life you will get people that take the piss and a few landloards where like that but instead of dealing with them they all got tared with the one brush and for a long time where projected as these hate figures who ran slums which was untrue.A lot of very decent people who banked on them houses being their pensions just sold up as it became impossible to be a landlord.

FrancieBrady

Deleted User wrote: »

I work 60 plus hours a week,most weeks,between work,nixers,and farm.....i cant afford to rent in my area (well i could so long as i didnt need to but food/heating),nor afford an extra commute in/out of here


Im.listed as lazy for not voting ffg.....jokeshop of a country

If you complain or seek change from the toxic power swap that has gotten us here you are demeaned and ridiculed by the 'I'm alright jack' crowd.

Par for the course as the power swap loses it's grip.

tikkahunter

Deleted User wrote: »

I work 60 plus hours a week,most weeks,between work,nixers,and farm.....i cant afford to rent in my area (well i could so long as i didnt need to but food/heating),nor afford an extra commute in/out of here


Im.listed as lazy for not voting ffg.....jokeshop of a country.....i worked abroad,2-3 jobs at times to get started,made a go and sucess of life there,only to.come home,to help elderly relatives on farms etc and be called lazy

Talk to Dundalk he has some very sound advice for living a few posts above :pac:

blanch152

tikkahunter wrote: »

Talk to Dundalk he has some very sound advice for living a few posts above :pac:

Yeah, he is just back from his third trip to Portugal since June, so I am sure all his advice is completely above board and legit.

Idbatterim

blanch152 wrote: »

The Sinn Fein mentality is that whatever the hard-working has, we should have it for free.

I think there is an element of that and that was likely their core vote before the particular surge the last election, but I think you now have a large amount of non freeloaders, who are screwed by the housing crisis and know FFG wont do anything about it...

JohnnyFlash

Remember this? Máirtín Ó Muilleoir in his position as Minister for Finance in Northern Ireland sent an email to a dude called Ted Howell asking him how he should proceed in the Cash for Ash scandal.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/sinn-f%C3%A9in-minister-sought-consent-for-action-from-unelected-official-inquiry-finds-1.4202344

The official investigation into the RHI scheme considered the wording of an email sent by Mr Ó Muilleoir to Mr Howell on January 24th, 2017 informing of a key meeting he was going to have concerning a business plan to create an interim solution to end the runaway scheme.

“Would you be content if I were to sign off the business plan on Wednesday afternoon?” Mr Ó Muilleoir said in his email to Mr Howell.

Truthvader

Idbatterim wrote: »

I think there is an element of that and that was likely their core vote before the particular surge the last election, but I think you now have a large amount of non freeloaders, who are screwed by the housing crisis and know FFG wont do anything about it...

And the answer is loud mouth Doherty??? Good luck with that.

blanch152

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Remember this? Máirtín Ó Muilleoir in his position as Minister for Finance in Northern Ireland sent an email to a dude called Ted Howell asking him how he should proceed in the Cash for Ash scandal.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/sinn-f%C3%A9in-minister-sought-consent-for-action-from-unelected-official-inquiry-finds-1.4202344

The official investigation into the RHI scheme considered the wording of an email sent by Mr Ó Muilleoir to Mr Howell on January 24th, 2017 informing of a key meeting he was going to have concerning a business plan to create an interim solution to end the runaway scheme.

“Would you be content if I were to sign off the business plan on Wednesday afternoon?” Mr Ó Muilleoir said in his email to Mr Howell.

That is far worse than anything Leo is alleged to have done, but don’t expect the permanently outraged to do anything about it.

thomas 123

blanch152 wrote: »

That is far worse than anything Leo is alleged to have done, but don’t expect the permanently outraged to do anything about it.

That’s Northern Ireland.

FrancieBrady

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Remember this? Máirtín Ó Muilleoir in his position as Minister for Finance in Northern Ireland sent an email to a dude called Ted Howell asking him how he should proceed in the Cash for Ash scandal.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/sinn-f%C3%A9in-minister-sought-consent-for-action-from-unelected-official-inquiry-finds-1.4202344

The official investigation into the RHI scheme considered the wording of an email sent by Mr Ó Muilleoir to Mr Howell on January 24th, 2017 informing of a key meeting he was going to have concerning a business plan to create an interim solution to end the runaway scheme.

“Would you be content if I were to sign off the business plan on Wednesday afternoon?” Mr Ó Muilleoir said in his email to Mr Howell.

A transparent email to another party member is worse than secretly informing an outside vested interest of what was going on in negotiations they were not a part off?

Are you deluded?

JohnnyFlash

FrancieBrady wrote: »

A transparent email to another party member is worse than secretly informing an outside vested interest of what was going on in negotiations they were not a part off?

Are you deluded?

Is Ted a party member?

FrancieBrady

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Is Ted a party member?

Google is as much your friend as mine Johnny

My name is Ted Howell, from Belfast and I am a member of Sinn Fein Ard Chomahirle and I have been involved in the Sinn Fein negotiation team throughout negotiations and implementation of agreements over the past 20-22 years.

https://www.farc-epeace.org/background/item/1388-interview-with-ted-howell.html

Idbatterim

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-54795055

Sf getting council to start building their own housing up north. Which is what needs to be done here. That is a big thing, its what needs to be done here and come election time, sf can put their money where their mouth is and say its what they are actually doing up north..

If ffg have to start introducing austerity budgets due to their mismanagement of covid, before the next election, god help them!

blanch152

Idbatterim wrote: »

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-54795055

Sf getting council to start building their own housing up north. Which is what needs to be done here. That is a big thing, its what needs to be done here and come election time, sf can put their money where their mouth is and say its what they are actually doing up north..

If ffg have to start introducing austerity budgets due to their mismanagement of covid, before the next election, god help them!

Isn't that something we have been doing already for the last four or five years?

Northern Ireland only catching up.

mynamejeff

Idbatterim wrote: »

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-54795055

Sf getting council to start building their own housing up north. Which is what needs to be done here. That is a big thing, its what needs to be done here and come election time, sf can put their money where their mouth is and say its what they are actually doing up north..

If ffg have to start introducing austerity budgets due to their mismanagement of covid, before the next election, god help them!

sf builders eh ? now there's a bastion of honesty if ever there was one

priory hall anyone ?

Bishop of hope

Idbatterim wrote: »

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-54795055

Sf getting council to start building their own housing up north. Which is what needs to be done here. That is a big thing, its what needs to be done here and come election time, sf can put their money where their mouth is and say its what they are actually doing up north..

If ffg have to start introducing austerity budgets due to their mismanagement of covid, before the next election, god help them!

The landlord arm is interesting isn't it.
Make sure they get their oats.
But they're pariahs down this side.?

theballz

Idbatterim wrote: »

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-54795055

Sf getting council to start building their own housing up north. Which is what needs to be done here. That is a big thing, its what needs to be done here and come election time, sf can put their money where their mouth is and say its what they are actually doing up north..

If ffg have to start introducing austerity budgets due to their mismanagement of covid, before the next election, god help them!

Is that also being funded by Daniel kinahan?

maccored

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Remember this? Máirtín Ó Muilleoir in his position as Minister for Finance in Northern Ireland sent an email to a dude called Ted Howell asking him how he should proceed in the Cash for Ash scandal.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/sinn-f%C3%A9in-minister-sought-consent-for-action-from-unelected-official-inquiry-finds-1.4202344

The official investigation into the RHI scheme considered the wording of an email sent by Mr Ó Muilleoir to Mr Howell on January 24th, 2017 informing of a key meeting he was going to have concerning a business plan to create an interim solution to end the runaway scheme.

“Would you be content if I were to sign off the business plan on Wednesday afternoon?” Mr Ó Muilleoir said in his email to Mr Howell.

yeah, lets ignore the DUP elephant in the room of theft

maccored

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Google is as much your friend as mine Johnny



https://www.farc-epeace.org/background/item/1388-interview-with-ted-howell.html

thats too much reality for 'the dude' to handle