The wondrous adventures of Sinn Fein (part 2)

McMurphy

jh79 wrote: »

But not entitled to be in government. by the same token, in '95 should FF being in government instead of the Rainbow Coalition?

Entitled to call for a place in govt isn't remotely the same thing as entitled to be in govt.

jh79

McMurphy wrote: »

Entitled to call for a place in govt isn't remotely the same thing as entitled to be in govt.

So what's the issue then?

McMurphy

jh79 wrote: »

So what's the issue then?

What issue?

I've no issue - I'm not the one being called out on a spurious claim.

blanch152

FrancieBrady wrote: »

They got more votes than anybody else and were perfectly entitled to call for a place in government.

Trump is NOT entitled to a place because he didn't get enough votes. Please try to accept that Trump didn't get enough votes to form a new administration Blanch and Mark. He is telling lies.

I do accept that Trump didn't get enough votes to form a new administration, that doesn't stop his supporters from claiming he should be President.

I also accept that Mary-Lou didn't get enough votes to form a new administration, that doesn't stop her supporters from claiming she should be Taoiseach.

FrancieBrady

blanch152 wrote: »

I do accept that Trump didn't get enough votes to form a new administration, that doesn't stop his supporters from claiming he should be President.

I also accept that Mary-Lou didn't get enough votes to form a new administration, that doesn't stop her supporters from claiming she should be Taoiseach.

She did get enough votes (more than anyone else) to form a new administration had the power swap not closed ranks and formed one, despite one of them claiming they never would go into government with FG and the other likening putting FF led by Michael Martin as Taoiseach to putting John Delaney back in control of the FAI.

The Trumpian aspect of what happened is clear as a bell. Lie and lie to the electorate to get what you want.

grayzer75

blanch152 wrote: »

I do accept that Trump didn't get enough votes to form a new administration, that doesn't stop his supporters from claiming he should be President.

I also accept that Mary-Lou didn't get enough votes to form a new administration, that doesn't stop her supporters from claiming she should be Taoiseach.

2020 election results for the 3 main leaders:

Mehole 11,505 (2nd count)
Mary-Lou 11,223 (1st count)
Leo 8,763 (5th count)


2020 popular vote by 3 main parties:

SF 535,595
FF 484,320
FG 458,584


2020 seat won by 3 main parties:

SF 37
FF 38
FG 35

Going by them numbers the electorate wanted her more than #LeoTheLeak. Roll on the next election...........

markodaly

grayzer75 wrote: »

2020 election results for the 3 main leaders:

Mehole 11,505 (2nd count)
Mary-Lou 11,223 (1st count)
Leo 8,763 (5th count)


2020 popular vote by 3 main parties:

SF 535,595
FF 484,320
FG 458,584


2020 seat won by 3 main parties:

SF 37
FF 38
FG 35

Going by them numbers the electorate wanted her more than #LeoTheLeak. Roll on the next election...........

Yet, it is a pity that SF didn't do much to try and form a government. RBB wrote them a letter about 3 months after the election and SF didn't even respond to it.

FrancieBrady

markodaly wrote: »

Yet, it is a pity that SF didn't do much to try and form a government. RBB wrote them a letter about 3 months after the election and SF didn't even respond to it.

Isn't it also a pity that FF and FG didn't behave like democrats and respect the mandate given by the electorate?

Who does that remind me off currently...somebody not respecting the mandate given by the people....um...um..um...rum...rump...Trump!

Anyone can play the comparison game Mark.;);)

markodaly

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Isn't it also a pity that FF and FG didn't behave like democrats and respect the mandate given by the electorate?

What mandate was that, that SF automatically be in government?
Surprise surprise, you do not know how PR-STV works.

FrancieBrady

markodaly wrote: »

What mandate was that, that SF automatically be in government?
Surprise surprise, you do not know how PR-STV works.

No a mandate that should have ensured that two parties should not have closed ranks and go back on promises they themselves made to the electorate.

Trump is trying to ignore the mandate with lies.

imme

grayzer75 wrote: »

2020 election results for the 3 main leaders:

Mehole 11,505 (2nd count)
Mary-Lou 11,223 (1st count)
Leo 8,763 (5th count)


2020 popular vote by 3 main parties:

SF 535,595
FF 484,320
FG 458,584


2020 seat won by 3 main parties:

SF 37
FF 38
FG 35

Going by them numbers the electorate wanted her more than #LeoTheLeak. Roll on the next election...........

We do operate first past the post in ROI.

Parties work with the number of seats in the Dail that they get in an election.

Why run for the Dail if you don't want to be in government.

SF didn't run enough candidates in 2020, why not, they choked,

Mary Lou didn't even run a running mate in her enlarged constituency, 4 seats up from 3, why not, she chocked,
every person who has lead a party that aspired to becoming Taoiseach has had a running mate in their constituency.

It shows a lack of faith in yourself and lack of self belief to not have a running mate.

blanch152

FrancieBrady wrote: »

She did get enough votes (more than anyone else) to form a new administration had the power swap not closed ranks and formed one, despite one of them claiming they never would go into government with FG and the other likening putting FF led by Michael Martin as Taoiseach to putting John Delaney back in control of the FAI.

The Trumpian aspect of what happened is clear as a bell. Lie and lie to the electorate to get what you want.

If she had got enough votes, then she would be in government, that is how our democracy works, you get an overall majority, you are in government. She didn't, and then she tried, with her online backing tweeting #notmytaoiseach to bully her way into government.

It didn't work for her, it won't work for Trump.

They both share the same toxic ideology of exclusionary nationalism. Obviously, because of the nature of that ideology, they can never be bedfellows, but they can share respect in the same way that Farage and Mary-Lou did in the past.

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/nigel-farage-and-sinn-f%C3%A9in-are-bedfellows-when-it-comes-to-europe-1.3900722

It is also a characteristic of the Trumpian Army that they insult and try to silence opposition in the same way that happens on here to anyone who goes against Sinn Fein. Trump would love the Shinnerbot Twitterati playbook and the SFOS as ways to get back at the mainstream media.

blanch152

FrancieBrady wrote: »

No a mandate that should have ensured that two parties should not have closed ranks and go back on promises they themselves made to the electorate.

Trump is trying to ignore the mandate with lies.

What nonsense is this.

They had what looked like a Hobson's choice, go back on promises and go into government with each other or go back on promises and go into government with Sinn Fein.

When faced with that choice, they both ran a mile from Sinn Fein as by far the most toxic option.

The false narratives you put forward would make Trump blush.

FrancieBrady

blanch152 wrote: »

What nonsense is this.

They had what looked like a Hobson's choice, go back on promises and go into government with each other or go back on promises and go into government with Sinn Fein.

When faced with that choice, they both ran a mile from Sinn Fein as by far the most toxic option.

The false narratives you put forward would make Trump blush.

So we will choose which promise to break to suit our cling to power. Pure Trump.

Keep the comparisons going blanch...loving it.

FrancieBrady

blanch152 wrote: »

If she had got enough votes, then she would be in government, that is how our democracy works, you get an overall majority, you are in government. She didn't, and then she tried, with her online backing tweeting #notmytaoiseach to bully her way into government.

It didn't work for her, it won't work for Trump.

They both share the same toxic ideology of exclusionary nationalism. Obviously, because of the nature of that ideology, they can never be bedfellows, but they can share respect in the same way that Farage and Mary-Lou did in the past.

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/nigel-farage-and-sinn-f%C3%A9in-are-bedfellows-when-it-comes-to-europe-1.3900722

It is also a characteristic of the Trumpian Army that they insult and try to silence opposition in the same way that happens on here to anyone who goes against Sinn Fein. Trump would love the Shinnerbot Twitterati playbook and the SFOS as ways to get back at the mainstream media.

No need to bully when you have a century of swapping power between each other.

No need to bully when you can lie to the electorate and getting away with what you please.

blanch152

FrancieBrady wrote: »

So we will choose which promise to break to suit our cling to power. Pure Trump.

Keep the comparisons going blanch...loving it.

Nonsense, the scary thing about Trump is that he doesn't break promises.

He continues on his merry way oblivious to the damage he is doing.


Just like Trumpians though, Sinn Fein supporters are purveyors of fake news and fake allegations. Just like the Democrats are supposed to be denying Trump power, so we have Sinn Fein supporters spouting anger about FF and FG denying Sinn Fein power.

markodaly

FrancieBrady wrote: »

No a mandate that should have ensured that two parties should not have closed ranks and go back on promises they themselves made to the electorate.

What promise did FG break, because they did say, at the last resort they would go into government with FF.

FrancieBrady

blanch152 wrote: »

Nonsense, the scary thing about Trump is that he doesn't break promises.

Lies and easily fact checked.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-37982000

I have better things to be at than play your silly comparison games. Real politics is happening elsewhere. I will leave you and mark to it.

blanch152

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Lies and easily fact checked.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-37982000

I have better things to be at than play your silly comparison games. Real politics is happening elsewhere. I will leave you and mark to it.

Wow, just wow.

Once gain, your own link lets you down.

On the list of promises only three - abandoning Nato, torture and prosecuting Hilary Clinton - are abandoned.

On the rest, he has delivered most, partially delivered on others and made little or no progress on some more. However, in most of those where he hasn't fully delivered, the outcome was out of his hands, and a second term may have helped him deliver.

FrancieBrady

blanch152 wrote: »

Wow, just wow.

Once gain, your own link lets you down.

On the list of promises only three - abandoning Nato, torture and prosecuting Hilary Clinton - are abandoned.

On the rest, he has delivered most, partially delivered on others and made little or no progress on some more. However, in most of those where he hasn't fully delivered, the outcome was out of his hands, and a second term may have helped him deliver.

So he breaks promises. What you said was a lie.

Yawn blanch. We know you are desperate at this stage, but no need to lie to make your dubious points. Good luck.

McMurphy

blanch152 wrote: »

Nonsense, the scary thing about Trump is that he doesn't break promises.

blanch152 wrote: »

On the list of promises only three - abandoning Nato, torture and prosecuting Hilary Clinton - are abandoned.

Doesnotcompute. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

blanch152

McMurphy wrote: »

Doesnotcompute.

I stand over my post. Nitpicking, you can find broken promises from every person in the world.

The scary thing about Trump is that he keeps his far far more than most.

The allegation raised by Francie that FF/FG are like Trump in breaking promises does not hold up.

Sticking to an toxic ideological exclusionary nationalist populist mob-led approach means the overlap between Trump and Sinn Fein is huge.

blanch152

blanch152 wrote: »

I stand over my post. Nitpicking, you can find broken promises from every person in the world.

The scary thing about Trump is that he keeps his far far more than most.

The allegation raised by Francie that FF/FG are like Trump in breaking promises does not hold up.

Sticking to an toxic ideological exclusionary nationalist populist mob-led approach means the overlap between Trump and Sinn Fein is huge.

Did trump not promise to build a wall,the length of the us/mexico border,and make mexico pay for it??


his stand out,most famous promise,along with make america great again,he simply didnt/couldnt do and stands broken??

McMurphy

Video from MLMD explaining the motive behind the Shinners move to table a motion of no confidence.

https://twitter.com/sinnfeinireland/status/1324720212604723200?s=19

maccored

markodaly wrote: »

What mandate was that, that SF automatically be in government?
Surprise surprise, you do not know how PR-STV works.

who cares ... the job cheech and chong are doing at the minute guarantees a SF win next time round

maccored

blanch152 wrote: »

It is also a characteristic of the Trumpian Army that they insult and try to silence opposition in the same way that happens on here to anyone who goes against Sinn Fein. Trump would love the Shinnerbot Twitterati playbook and the SFOS as ways to get back at the mainstream media.

will you stop with the playing the victim. On here SF voters are regularly called ignorant, stupid, knuckle dragging, blah blah blah. Anyone mentions they vote for SF gets bullied and ridiculed and here you are pretending the shinners on here give people grief. My god.

Pkiernan

The country is in crisis and the IRA want to topple the government with a non confidence vote.

How selfish are these thugs?

Royal Irish

Pkiernan wrote: »

The country is in crisis and the IRA want to topple the government with a non confidence vote.

How selfish are these thugs?

Its the right thing to do. Leo has to go. Politicians are not allowed do whatever they want simply because the country is in a crisis.

Fuascailteoir

Pkiernan wrote: »

The country is in crisis and the IRA want to topple the government with a non confidence vote.

How selfish are these thugs?

This thread would be worthy of trump

Gooey Looey

Pkiernan wrote: »

The country is in crisis and the IRA want to topple the government with a non confidence vote.

How selfish are these thugs?

The decent thing to do was to resign, he didn't do that