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The wondrous adventures of Sinn Fein (part 2)

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    #5132
    jm08
    Registered Users Posts: 11,300 ✭✭✭✭jm08


    jh79 wrote: »
    John's getting a lot of business thrown his way alright. Must be taking a break from his human rights work but bit of an extreme change of direction!


    Are you sure its John Finucane (company is Finucane Toner) which is separate to the Human Rights practice of Madden Finucane (which was Pat Finucane's practice).


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    #5133
    jh79
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    jm08 wrote: »
    Are you sure its John Finucane (company is Finucane Toner) which is separate to the Human Rights practice of Madden Finucane (which was Pat Finucane's practice).

    John Finucane MLA is part of Finucane Toner, is that right? SF website says he is a human rights advocate whatever that means.


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    #5134
    joeguevara
    Registered Users Posts: 8,074 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Is that a dig at me Joe?
    The reason I didn't comment is because you just implied/insinuated something vague with no link to anything.

    Actually it wasn't Francie. I apologised for being bordering on rude yesterday and meant it so wouldnt want to have digs at anyone. It was actually in relation to SF councillors and other members who have been tweeted with links and then block the person sending it.


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    #5135
    joeguevara
    Registered Users Posts: 8,074 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    jm08 wrote: »
    Are you sure its John Finucane (company is Finucane Toner) which is separate to the Human Rights practice of Madden Finucane (which was Pat Finucane's practice).

    Yes the same person


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    #5136
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 69,014 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    joeguevara wrote: »
    Actually it wasn't Francie. I apologised for being bordering on rude yesterday and meant it so wouldnt want to have digs at anyone. It was actually in relation to SF councillors and other members who have been tweeted with links and then block the person sending it.

    None the wiser.

    Can you link to a story?


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    #5137
    joeguevara
    Registered Users Posts: 8,074 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    None the wiser.

    Can you link to a story?

    This is one.

    https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sunday-life/news/finucanes-firm-acted-for-dublin-crime-lord-daniel-kinahan-39609766.html


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    #5138
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 69,014 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    jh79 wrote: »
    says he is a human rights advocate whatever that means.

    They use their legal expertise to advocate for human rights. My niece is one as is this FG member.


    to the 15 years as a lawyer working to advance human rights,

    https://www.finegael.ie/deirdre-duffy-to-run-for-fine-gael-in-dublin-central/


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    #5139
    jm08
    Registered Users Posts: 11,300 ✭✭✭✭jm08


    joeguevara wrote: »
    Yes the same person


    So, its not the Finucane practice that specialises in Human Rights? John Finucane's practice seems to be general - i.e., he was representing Carl Frampton in his court case against Barry McGuigan.


    You do realise that Pat Finucane, John's father, was murdered because he representated republicans (and loyalists) for paramilitary activity?


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    #5140
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 69,014 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    joeguevara wrote: »
    This is one.

    https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sunday-life/news/finucanes-firm-acted-for-dublin-crime-lord-daniel-kinahan-39609766.html

    Behind a paywall.

    This was all discussed here before. He has said he does not represent Kinihan and that his firm wrote a number of letters for Kinihan.

    Is there anything new?


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    #5141
    jh79
    Registered Users Posts: 8,273 ✭✭✭jh79


    jm08 wrote: »
    So, its not the Finucane practice that specialises in Human Rights? John Finucane's practice seems to be general - i.e., he was representing Carl Frampton in his court case against Barry McGuigan.


    You do realise that Pat Finucane, John's father, was murdered because he representated republicans (and loyalists) for paramilitary activity?

    What loyalists did he represent? Though he worked exclusively for the IRA.


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    #5142
    jh79
    Registered Users Posts: 8,273 ✭✭✭jh79


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Behind a paywall.

    This was all discussed here before. He has said he does not represent Kinihan and that his firm wrote a number of letters for Kinihan.

    Is there anything new?

    Nothing new has happened with this. He just works for DK interests in Ireland whether that is MTK boxers like Frampton or normal criminal gang members like those involved in the upcoming Brady intimidation case.


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    #5143
    jm08
    Registered Users Posts: 11,300 ✭✭✭✭jm08


    jh79 wrote: »
    What loyalists did he represent? Though he worked exclusively for the IRA.


    He was a criminal lawyer and took business from anywhere.


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    #5144
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 69,014 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    jh79 wrote: »
    Nothing new has happened with this. He just works for DK interests in Ireland whether that is MTK boxers like Frampton or normal criminal gang members like those involved in the upcoming Brady intimidation case.

    Has he not said he doesn't represent Kinihan?


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    #5145
    joeguevara
    Registered Users Posts: 8,074 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    jm08 wrote: »
    So, its not the Finucane practice that specialises in Human Rights? John Finucane's practice seems to be general - i.e., he was representing Carl Frampton in his court case against Barry McGuigan.


    You do realise that Pat Finucane, John's father, was murdered because he representated republicans (and loyalists) for paramilitary activity?

    Yes I do and have a framed picture of all the lawyers who signed the petition for his inquiry to his death. An amazing man.


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    #5146
    joeguevara
    Registered Users Posts: 8,074 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Has he not said he doesn't represent Kinihan?

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-54166811


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    #5147
    joeguevara
    Registered Users Posts: 8,074 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Has he not said he doesn't represent Kinihan?

    Come on now Francie.


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    #5148
    jm08
    Registered Users Posts: 11,300 ✭✭✭✭jm08


    jh79 wrote: »
    Nothing new has happened with this. He just works for DK interests in Ireland whether that is MTK boxers like Frampton or normal criminal gang members like those involved in the upcoming Brady intimidation case.


    DK's interests in Ireland are boxers like Carl Frampton and Michael Conlon (who are clients of John Finucane).


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    #5149
    jh79
    Registered Users Posts: 8,273 ✭✭✭jh79


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Has he not said he doesn't represent Kinihan?

    His firm is on record as representing MTK boxer, his run of the mill criminal associates and have issued threats of defamation against the media on DK behalf.

    Would be hilarious if John had to sue MLD for defaming DK in the Irish Sun:pac:


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    #5150
    jh79
    Registered Users Posts: 8,273 ✭✭✭jh79


    jm08 wrote: »
    DK's interests in Ireland are boxers like Carl Frampton and Michael Conlon (who are clients of John Finucane).

    And ensuring everyone but MLD doesn't defame him!

    I think John's firm has recently started to represent DK criminal associates in the Republic too.

    PS: Anyone know why my post has an emoji over it?


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    #5151
    FrancieBrady
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    joeguevara wrote: »
    Come on now Francie.

    Come on what?

    This is very dangerous territory.

    I would be demanding lock tight evidence here considering what happened to his father.

    Again..did Finucane not say he doesn't represent Kinihan now. What evidence is there to counter this?
    I am aware of letters the firm sent on his behalf.


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    #5152
    jh79
    Registered Users Posts: 8,273 ✭✭✭jh79


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Come on what?

    This is very dangerous territory.

    I would be demanding lock tight evidence here considering what happened to his father.

    Again..did Finucane not say he doesn't represent Kinihan now. What evidence is there to counter this?
    I am aware of letters the firm sent on his behalf.

    What about known DK associates apart from MTK? Does he represent any of them?

    If the rumors are true and DK is working for Mi5 that would be a strange turn of events given his family history.


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    #5153
    joeguevara
    Registered Users Posts: 8,074 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Come on what?

    This is very dangerous territory.

    I would be demanding lock tight evidence here considering what happened to his father.

    Again..did Finucane not say he doesn't represent Kinihan now. What evidence is there to counter this?
    I am aware of letters the firm sent on his behalf.

    Certainly dangerous territory. I agree.

    If you are partner of a firm, you are the firm. Cant say otherwise.
    I don't think it is appropriate to discuss his father.

    But a Senior MLA SF member is representing a an alleged worldwide criminal.Is that considered appropriate?


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    #5154
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 69,014 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    jh79 wrote: »
    What about known DK associates apart from MTK? Does he represent any of them?

    If the rumors are true and DK is working for Mi5 that would be a strange turn of events given his family history.

    Right..I'm out of this one. Deeply sinister stuff and obviously based on rumours and innuendo.
    Same old ****e that got his dad targeted and killed.


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    #5155
    joeguevara
    Registered Users Posts: 8,074 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    jh79 wrote: »
    What about known DK associates apart from MTK? Does he represent any of them?

    If the rumors are true and DK is working for Mi5 that would be a strange turn of events given his family history.

    As it is a SF thread, it is more pertinent how this falls in line with party views. does anyone have an opinion?


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    #5156
    jh79
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    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Right..I'm out of this one. Deeply sinister stuff and obviously based on rumours and innuendo.
    Same old ****e that got his dad targeted and killed.

    What's sinister about it? Plenty of other firms have worked for DK, granted probably not many are politicians too.

    SF attitude to the SCC doesn't help with the rumors but their own fault for trying to get "Good Republicans" off the hook.


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    #5157
    jm08
    Registered Users Posts: 11,300 ✭✭✭✭jm08


    jh79 wrote: »
    And ensuring everyone but MLD doesn't defame him!

    I think John's firm has recently started to represent DK criminal associates in the Republic too.

    PS: Anyone know why my post has an emoji over it?


    You think? Name who they are. It isn't a criminal offence to say who is someone's solicitor.


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    #5158
    jh79
    Registered Users Posts: 8,273 ✭✭✭jh79


    joeguevara wrote: »
    As it is a SF thread, it is more pertinent how this falls in line with party views. does anyone have an opinion?

    I would say his work for DK damages the party to a certain extent.

    If it was any other party not much would be said as his work as a lawyer is sperate to his MLA work. But SF historically have links to criminality and their opposition to the SCC to protect "Good Republicans" makes it a bit more complicated. DK cousin being a SF councilor isn't helping with with the rumors either.


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    #5159
    jh79
    Registered Users Posts: 8,273 ✭✭✭jh79


    jm08 wrote: »
    You think? Name who they are. It isn't a criminal offence to say who is someone's solicitor.

    I'm looking for the news reports. I'll stick them up as soon as i find them


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    #5160
    joeguevara
    Registered Users Posts: 8,074 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Right..I'm out of this one. Deeply sinister stuff and obviously based on rumours and innuendo.
    Same old ****e that got his dad targeted and killed.

    As I said, John comes across as a really nice person and his father was amazing. I didn't think it appropriate ever to discuss that connection, I just think it is relevant on a SF thread to discuss an issue like this. Sticking to just the facts of course.


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    #5161
    jh79
    Registered Users Posts: 8,273 ✭✭✭jh79


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Right..I'm out of this one. Deeply sinister stuff and obviously based on rumours and innuendo.
    Same old ****e that got his dad targeted and killed.

    Bit of an over reaction. The rumours come from the Hutch side. Repeating them here isn't going to change their opinion on SF links to MTK


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