The wondrous adventures of Sinn Fein (part 2)

I think there's got to be room for better than binary thinking on the troubles

Tend to agree with Francie that any widespread condemnation of republican physical force action that doesn't set the context of what British occupation meant for Catholics and nationalists is tbh worthless and glib.


Tend to disagree with Francie in his constant and immediate soft-pedalling of what Provo actions nevertheless represent to ppl not in the border region, or his dodging of SF elements that glorify it in a manner unbecoming when they can be very quick to try to draw a line under it at other times

Brendan Bendar

FrancieBrady wrote: »

You be back from a knees up celebrating the Black & Tans if others got their way.

Again I ask, why the surprise that SF would support or celebrate the IRA. Were you asleep or something?

My only surprise is that he did in an insensitive way tbh.

You keep trying to bring things back to the past.

Live in the present, dude, and ditch the auld plámás .

This guy blew it ........ I’ll say it again... this... guy... blew...it.

Mary Lou had the place locked down tighter than a black hole in space.


And this tool couldn’t resist taking the swing!!!!

Had a big job, big wedge, and he just couldn’t resist......;)

Has to go from that job..... how could anyone have confidence in his judgement.

MLMD must be apoplectic........ swing the axe Mary.... quick.

Brendan Bendar

Catherine Murphy needs to grow a set.

Out this guy.

FrancieBrady

Bishop of hope wrote: »

The GFA is in place, it is supposed to have taken the threat out of this island.
Your language is comical as it appears you think that means as long as one side eventually wins.
I don't think that was the point of the GFA at all.
It's an agreement on a democratic process going forward.
What threat to the island do you see?

Of course no surprise that people turned away to ignore things yet again.
The GFA was allowed to stagnate to breakdown and St Andrews and Stormont House agreements still not implemented.

I think there are huge post conflict issues to be sorted out, but as usual all FF and FG want to do is pontificate from the high moral ground. Yes, you are right, it is an 'process'.

FG and FF and their supporters cannot talk about a hard border being a 'threat' to stability here and then pretend that the border, a legacy of partiition isn't an issue when it suits them.

FrancieBrady

FrancieBrady wrote: »

as usual all FF and FG want to do is pontificate from the high moral ground.

Breathtaking, in context of what goes on all day in every boards politics or current affairs thread.

Simply breathtaking.

Bishop of hope

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Catherine Murphy needs to grow a set.

Out this guy.

I'm not sure that's the answer to the issue at all.
Even celebrating the Kilmichael ambush and other battles is adding fuel to the fire.
Our govt here have a responsibility to quit with the glory battle days commemorations, perhaps too.
We hear and see how the men of the Kilmichael ambush were hero's but yet we criticise Stanley for stating the Blackwater incident had the same type of status, when there is a comparison to be made between them logically.
It's insensitive and inappropriate now as things stand, but not illogical that there be a comparison.

FrancieBrady

Deleted User wrote: »

Breathtaking, in context of what goes on all day in every boards politics or current affairs thread.

Simply breathtaking.

It is. A FG Tanaiste confesses to wrongdoing and FF and the Greens gather round to protect him. A TD issues an insensitive tweet and he has to go.

FrancieBrady

Bishop of hope wrote: »

I'm not sure that's the answer to the issue at all.
Even celebrating the Kilmichael ambush and other battles is adding fuel to the fire.
Our govt here have a responsibility to quit with the glory battle days commemorations, perhaps too.
We hear and see how the men of the Kilmichael ambush were hero's but yet we criticise Stanley for stating the Blackwater incident had the same type of status, when there is a comparison to be made between them logically.
It's insensitive and inappropriate now as things stand, but not illogical that there be a comparison.

It's the conversation that needs to be had. But there are too many afraid of it still.

walshb

FrancieBrady wrote: »

It is. A FG Tanaiste confesses to wrongdoing and FF and the Greens gather round to protect him. A TD issues an insensitive tweet and he has to go.

I wouldn't have too mush issue with calls for Leo to go for his issues.

But, honestly, I do think that TDs tweet was worse.....

We are talking about life and death and mayhem and murder....humans murdered and killed during war/conflict.

All things that we as a country are trying to heal and fix and move on from...

He should be sacked.....no ifs or buts.

His tweet was thought out, deliberate and intentionally designed to hurt people

These acts he mentions happened decades ago....I don't even disagree with the acts, as I know that at the time there was serious conflict..

But the year 2020 and we have an elected rep bringing this up to hurt people, is sick!

Even the people who were committing acts of aggression were people, with feelings and families and all that. Most ever wanted to hurt anyone. They were forced into conflict they felt...

Sorry, but it takes a real nasrty mind to bring these things up the way Stanley did to hurt people.

Solutionking

FrancieBrady wrote: »

It is. A FG Tanaiste confesses to wrongdoing and FF and the Greens gather round to protect him. A TD issues an insensitive tweet and he has to go.

"But but but Leo something something something"
Back to the standard answer I see

Brendan Bendar

Bishop of hope wrote: »

I'm not sure that's the answer to the issue at all.
Even celebrating the Kilmichael ambush and other battles is adding fuel to the fire.
Our govt here have a responsibility to quit with the glory battle days commemorations, perhaps too.
We hear and see how the men of the Kilmichael ambush were hero's but yet we criticise Stanley for stating the Blackwater incident had the same type of status, when there is a comparison to be made between them logically.
It's insensitive and inappropriate now as things stand, but not illogical that there be a comparison.

Insensitive and inappropriate is all we have to make judgement on.

The other stuff has no relevance IN THIS ISSUE


Stanley has to go.... certainly out of the PAC..

FrancieBrady

Solutionking wrote: »

"But but but Leo something something something"
Back to the standard answer I see

You going to back up your lies SK?

Where did I 'glorify the IRA'?

Brendan Bendar

FrancieBrady wrote: »

You going to back up your lies SK?

Where did I 'glorify the IRA'?

Don’t go down that rabbit hole Sk....

Solutionking

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Don’t go down that rabbit hole Sk....

No chance. Too busy working :-)

FrancieBrady

In real news: Finucane family turned down in their request for a public inquiry.

FrancieBrady

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Don’t go down that rabbit hole Sk....

If that was a 'Shinner' issuing instructions to another poster we know what you would be saying Brendi. SK won't back up his lies, we know that. So don't be fretting.

Brendan Bendar

FrancieBrady wrote: »

If that was a 'Shinner' issuing instructions to another poster we know what you would be saying Brendi. SK won't back up his lies, we know that. So don't be fretting.

Not fretting at all, a chara.

Only issue here is Stanley.....

Solutionking

FrancieBrady wrote: »

If that was a 'Shinner' issuing instructions to another poster we know what you would be saying Brendi. SK won't back up his lies, we know that. So don't be fretting.

Quick search and I haven't been the first to confirm you glorify the PIRA.

FrancieBrady

Solutionking wrote: »

Quick search and I haven't been the first to confirm you glorify the PIRA.

YOU were asked to back up your own lie.

FrancieBrady

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Not fretting at all, a chara.

Only issue here is Stanley.....

Listening to the British government avoiding scrutiny yet again.

Not a 'post conflict' society indeedy.

UDAWINNER

FrancieBrady wrote: »

In real news: Finucane family turned down in their request for a public inquiry.

not surprised tbh, only a catholic they had murdered with their collusion. Lets see the outrage from FFG over this compared to feckin tweet. I bet arlene won't be writing to complain, ah sure, he's only a terrorist:(

smurgen

UDAWINNER wrote: »

not surprised tbh, only a catholic they had murdered with their collusion. Lets see the outrage from FFG over this compared to feckin tweet. I bet arlene won't be writing to complain, ah sure, he's only a terrorist:(

Executed in front of his family. I'm sure alot of the usual crowd that bang on about the troubles in here will start a thread on it surely? I mean if a tweet can start a thread....

FrancieBrady

UDAWINNER wrote: »

not surprised tbh, only a catholic they had murdered with their collusion. Lets see the outrage from FFG over this compared to feckin tweet. I bet arlene won't be writing to complain, ah sure, he's only a terrorist:(

Bizarre tweet from Arlene moments before the British issued their decision.

https://twitter.com/DUPleader/status/1333453401351479302

Brendan Bendar

UDAWINNER wrote: »

not surprised tbh, only a catholic they had murdered with their collusion. Lets see the outrage from FFG over this compared to feckin tweet. I bet arlene won't be writing to complain, ah sure, he's only a terrorist:(

They are emptying the bench............:D



Stanley is the issue here dude.

FrancieBrady

I wonder will Simon be out tonight talking about the British Government's mask slipping?

The UK Government’s decision on whether to order a public inquiry into Pat Finucane’s murder will signal if it is committed to truth and reconciliation, Ireland’s foreign affairs minister has said

Brendan Bendar

Where’s Stanley?

Up on the heathery hills.

James Brown

FrancieBrady wrote: »

It is. A FG Tanaiste confesses to wrongdoing and FF and the Greens gather round to protect him. A TD issues an insensitive tweet and he has to go.

On the contrary, if it's a tweet from a FG councilor admiring the fascist blueshirts it's dismissed or ignored. Not that one cancels out the other.

KarlMarks

I don't know why Stanley needed to apologize or why SF are apologising on his behalf. Stupid. I grew up in the 70's and 80's as a committed supporter of violent armed struggle to remove the British from Ireland, abolish the puppet government in Dublin, and create a 32 county socialist Republic based on the principles of Pearse and Connolly. I disagreed with ending the armed resistance, but now accept it was for the best. What I don't want is Provisional SF trying to become just like the other Free State establishment bastards. Own your history and own your wants, to get the Brits out of Ireland, and to ****ing break the Free State traitors. Hopefully Ogra SF have more revolutionary members than their increasingly cosy 26 county arm.

Nobotty

KarlMarks wrote: »

I don't know why Stanley needed to apologize or why SF are apologising on his behalf. Stupid. I grew up in the 70's and 80's as a committed supporter of violent armed struggle to remove the British from Ireland, abolish the puppet government in Dublin, and create a 32 county socialist Republic based on the principles of Pearse and Connolly. I disagreed with ending the armed resistance, but now accept it was for the best. What I don't want is Provisional SF trying to become just like the other Free State establishment bastards. Own your history and own your wants, to get the Brits out of Ireland, and to ****ing break the Free State traitors. Hopefully Ogra SF have more revolutionary members than their increasingly cosy 26 county arm.

Where does democracy come into all that though,?

blanch152

FrancieBrady wrote: »

In real news: Finucane family turned down in their request for a public inquiry.

Was just listening the Six-One News, they had a lengthy piece on Brian Stanley ahead of a very short piece on Finucane. A pity that the vile shenanigans of Stanley distracted from the issues in the Finucane case.