The wondrous adventures of Sinn Fein (part 2)

mariaalice

mariaalice wrote: »

Richard Boyde Barret and Paul Murphy will never be in government so they can say what they like SF will most likely get their turn in government, there are no guarantees because of that every hostage to fortune, every grandiose promise every nonsensical pronunciation they have ever made will be pounced on.

Why arent they allowed in government

Paul murphy is mostly v.good....tells it like it is and cuts swades through bullsh1t and pointless political correctness

Fann Linn

mariaalice wrote: »

Richard Boyde Barret and Paul Murphy will never be in government so they can say what they like SF will most likely get their turn in government, there are no guarantees because of that every hostage to fortune, every grandiose promise every nonsensical pronunciation they have ever made will be pounced on.

Like getting rid of USC, and not another red cent, and looking after the man who gets up early in the morning.
Those sort of pronouncements?

Brendan Bendar

Deleted User wrote: »

Why arent they allowed in government

Paul murphy is mostly v.good....tells it like it is and cuts swades through bullsh1t and pointless political correctness

The only swathes Murphy has cut through is through the taxpayers coin, buddy.

mariaalice

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Where have they said they 'can solve homelessness'?

Badly put, SF says their solution will work give us a chance, that is a hostage to fortune.

McMurphy

Fann Linn wrote: »

Like getting rid of USC, and not another red cent, and looking after the man who gets up early in the morning.
Those sort of pronouncements?

FrancieBrady

mariaalice wrote: »

Badly put, SF says their solution will work give us a chance, that is a hostage to fortune.

Doesn't every political party looking for government do that? Fairly basic stuff really.

mariaalice

Deleted User wrote: »

Why arent they allowed in government

Paul murphy is mostly v.good....tells it like it is and cuts swades through bullsh1t and pointless political correctness

They don't have enough TD's to form a government and no one is going into collision with them.

Fann Linn

McMurphy wrote: »

See Mc, FG lies =good. SF lies =bad.

Brendan Bendar

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

The only swathes Murphy has cut through is through the taxpayers coin, buddy.

i think he's very good mostly.....points he makes are well taught out,any qs he puts to the government cut swades through the lies and half-truths they try to cod the public with (feel several high profile TDs,could learn a thing or two from him)...his social media performance is v.good aswell


Regularly runs rings around the rte presenters,who are under prepared and just sneer at him/his idelogy


Between himself and catherine connolly,we have some v.good TDs in the dail,who arent aligned to the big 3 parties

McMurphy

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

The only swathes Murphy has cut through is through the taxpayers coin, buddy.

Not true - he cut through the politicians and Gardais bullshît in court when they tried to frame him, for upsetting their Irish water clusterfcuk.

Remind me what happened in the end up there Brenner.

mariaalice

Fann Linn wrote: »

See Mc, FG lies =good. SF lies =bad.

Childish in the extreme, it's not the baddies versus the goodies.

Fann Linn

[Deleted User] wrote: »

i think he's very good mostly.....points he makes are well taught out,any qs he puts to the government cut swades through the lies and half-truths they try to cod the public with


Regularly runs rings around the rte presenters,who are under prepared and just sneer at him/his idelogy


Between himself and catherine connolly,we have some v.good TDs in the dail,who arent aligned to the big 3 parties

In fairness to him he ran rings around them all, including SF, when it came to IW.

Fann Linn

mariaalice wrote: »

Childish in the extreme, it's not the baddies versus the goodies.

You said it Maria.

SF would be held hostage to fortune, conveniently forgetting all the lies and strokes # Moriarty, both FFG have carried out since the formation of this State.

Fann Linn

Fann Linn wrote: »

In fairness to him he ran rings around them all, including SF, when it came to IW.

While RBB usually makes good points and is undoubtfully intelligent....he's a bit too fond of his own voice for my liking


PM is a fairly serious operator and it would be a foolish person,take him for granted.

mariaalice

Fair play to Paul Murphy and Richard Boyde Barret they have their place its good not to have a hive mind in politics even if most of what they believe is semi-nonsense.

James Brown

mariaalice wrote: »

Richard Boyde Barret and Paul Murphy will never be in government so they can say what they like knowing they will never be challenged, SF will most likely get their turn in government, there are no guarantees though, because of that every hostage to fortune, every grandiose promise. every nonsensical pronunciation they have ever made will be pounced on.

I think managing to move in the right direction regarding housing would be enough. So long as they don't behave like FF/FG.

markodaly

McMurphy wrote: »

Oh what a surprise, posting stuff about FG in the SF thread.

markodaly

Bowie wrote: »

I think managing to move in the right direction regarding housing would be enough. So long as they don't behave like FF/FG.

And what exactly would that entail.

We have seen SF dominated councils in Dublin do nothing for housing and in fact, have been very anti-development.

One cannot simply state that doing something different to FF/FG will magically solve housing issues with any form of credibility.

jm08

markodaly wrote: »

And what exactly would that entail.

We have seen SF dominated councils in Dublin do nothing for housing and in fact, have been very anti-development.

One cannot simply state that doing something different to FF/FG will magically solve housing issues with any form of credibility.

County Councils are stuck with FF/FG housing policy. Nothing anyone can do about that except go along with it. I hope someone was speaking up about the 3 bed apartments that were going to cost DCC 800K in Sheriff Street which is a policy handed down by FG and endorsed by FF.

markodaly

jm08 wrote: »

County Councils are stuck with FF/FG housing policy. Nothing anyone can do about that except go along with it. I hope someone was speaking up about the 3 bed apartments that were going to cost DCC 800K in Sheriff Street which is a policy handed down by FG and endorsed by FF.

Nonesense. Local Authorities are responsible for the provisioning social housing first and foremost. Left wing parties like SF have been most ready in voting down and objecting to developments that will lead to new units and houses coming on stream.
Not to mention they like to complain about the property tax, cut it by the allowed 15% then complain that they don't have money for services.....


https://www.irishtimes.com/business/commercial-property/glenveagh-to-charge-council-up-to-791-500-for-family-apartments-1.4456642

The Glenveagh development has nothing to do with the government, that is a deal between the builder and DCC. It is expensive granted, but get onto your local councillor if you want to complain. I am sure SF have some magical way of getting cheap €50,000 3 bed houses built all around Dublin.

mariaalice

Bowie wrote: »

I think managing to move in the right direction regarding housing would be enough. So long as they don't behave like FF/FG.

Nieve, their supporters are not going to happy with that.

padd b1975

RandomViewer wrote: »

Dont know how anyone on €5-600 a week could have any kind of life living in Dublin, they are pricing themselves into a position where businesses will either have to close or relocate to somewhere they can get staff,

You don't??

I know loads, not many of them irish though.

blanch152

Deleted User wrote: »

Surely this is proof positive that the model of letting developerr build the social housing is a farce,and state should build them,like everything else privitisation it leads to taxpayer getting fleeced

The State doesn't have the necessary skills to do so. It hasn't for quite a while.

grayzer75

blanch152 wrote: »

The State doesn't have the necessary skills to do so. It hasn't for quite a while.

They could go the route of non profit housing associations like in the north.

jm08

mariaalice wrote: »

Nieve, their supporters are not going to happy with that.

What do you mean? From voting data it is obvious that young people (i.e., their supporters) are supporting SF because of their housing policy. To keep them happy, what they have to do is improve affordable housing opportunities because the present FFG policy is not working for them.

blanch152

Deleted User wrote: »

warerford corporation employs all the trades,to maintain council houses??


Thats a cop-out low brow excuse imo

Maintaining and building are not the same thing.

blanch152

grayzer75 wrote: »

They could go the route of non profit housing associations like in the north.

http://www.housing.old.gov.ie/housing/social-housing/voluntary-and-cooperative-housing/approved-housing-bodies-ahbs

You mean, like the ones we have had since 1992, of which there are now over 500?

jm08

blanch152 wrote: »

http://www.housing.old.gov.ie/housing/social-housing/voluntary-and-cooperative-housing/approved-housing-bodies-ahbs

You mean, like the ones we have had since 1992, of which there are now over 500?

No. The way they have a Housing Executive in Northern Ireland. https://www.nihe.gov.uk/About-Us/Our-Mission-Vision/Our-Mission-Values


Relying on the charity sector to build affordable houses with FFG developers creaming off the top isn't working.

blanch152

jm08 wrote: »

No. The way they have a Housing Executive in Northern Ireland. https://www.nihe.gov.uk/About-Us/Our-Mission-Vision/Our-Mission-Values


Relying on the charity sector to build affordable houses with FFG developers creaming off the top isn't working.

That was not the question asked. Here it is again:

grayzer75 wrote: »

They could go the route of non profit housing associations like in the north.

https://nifha.org/

This is what the poster meant, and we have them already in the South.

CrazyFather1

jm08 wrote: »

No. The way they have a Housing Executive in Northern Ireland. https://www.nihe.gov.uk/About-Us/Our-Mission-Vision/Our-Mission-Values


Relying on the charity sector to build affordable houses with FFG developers creaming off the top isn't working.

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/20000-northern-ireland-households-are-now-homeless-37719853.html

Nearly 20,000 households are recorded as homeless, new figures have revealed.

SDLP councillor Paul McCusker, who obtained the statistics from the Northern Ireland Housing Executive (NIHE), said they showed a system that was not fit for purpose.