The wondrous adventures of Sinn Fein (part 2)

Bishop of hope

James Brown wrote: »

TBF it's an improvement on them bounding into a pub and grabbing up who ever and beating them etc.

What?

RandomViewer

blanch152 wrote: »

It wasn't good enough. Nobody broke any regulations in Clifden as the regulations had not come into force, yet they resigned.

We still don't have the results of the PSNI investigation either.

Hogan basically had a Covid not to do list and ticked off every restriction , rules came into force that morning, ignorance is not a defence
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blanch152

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Stopping people coming on to the island isn't a Zero Covid strategy blanch.

There is no reason to stop people coming on to the island other than in pursuit of a Zero Covid strategy i.e. the New Zealand approach.

Holohan and Nolan have said that because we are a small open economy, stopping people coming on to the island just isn't an option. Even if we could, we can't trust the incompetents in the Stormont government to keep up their end.

To give an example of why this is the case, our goods imports are three times the size of New Zealand, our goods exports nearly four times the size of New Zealand, despite the population of the two countries being nearly the same. Our levels of essential travel will be higher than New Zealand's and our need to keep essential travel going is greater. Furthermore, the integration of our economy and society with the UK is huge compared to New Zealand which is hours from anywhere else.

https://www.citypopulation.de/en/world/bymap/airtrafficpassengers/

Look at these air passenger statistics. We have ten times the air passenger traffic of New Zealand in an ordinary year. We have to change that for the climate's sake, but it is a reality now.

Yourself and other posters got this wrong, you aren't experts, that is understandable but there is no excuse for Sinn Fein being what they usually are, opposition for opposition's sake.

Despite all these issues and obstacles, our government have done a remarkable job in managing Covid, with our case rates and death rates below that of our neighbours to the North and to the East.

FrancieBrady

blanch152 wrote: »

There is no reason to stop people coming on to the island other than in pursuit of a Zero Covid strategy

Yes there is. You stop/control/inhibit the spread.

James Brown

Bishop of hope wrote: »

What?

Today's due process within the law is preferable to internment and random beatings, IMO.
I suppose it's handy to consistently cite IRA violence while ignoring the day to day occurrences were carried out by the 'authorities'.

James Brown

blanch152 wrote: »

There is no reason to stop people coming on to the island other than in pursuit of a Zero Covid strategy i.e. the New Zealand approach.

Holohan and Nolan have said that because we are a small open economy, stopping people coming on to the island just isn't an option. Even if we could, we can't trust the incompetents in the Stormont government to keep up their end.

To give an example of why this is the case, our goods imports are three times the size of New Zealand, our goods exports nearly four times the size of New Zealand, despite the population of the two countries being nearly the same. Our levels of essential travel will be higher than New Zealand's and our need to keep essential travel going is greater. Furthermore, the integration of our economy and society with the UK is huge compared to New Zealand which is hours from anywhere else.

https://www.citypopulation.de/en/world/bymap/airtrafficpassengers/

Look at these air passenger statistics. We have ten times the air passenger traffic of New Zealand in an ordinary year. We have to change that for the climate's sake, but it is a reality now.

Yourself and other posters got this wrong, you aren't experts, that is understandable but there is no excuse for Sinn Fein being what they usually are, opposition for opposition's sake.

Despite all these issues and obstacles, our government have done a remarkable job in managing Covid, with our case rates and death rates below that of our neighbours to the North and to the East.

Do you think people flying in and out for holidays or funerals is going to help?

'worst in the world' is pretty remarkable.

Bishop of hope

James Brown wrote: »

Today's due process within the law is preferable to internment and random beatings, IMO.
I suppose it's handy to consistently cite IRA violence while ignoring the day to day occurrences were carried out by the 'authorities'.

The PSNI engaged in this?

RandomViewer

Bishop of hope wrote: »

What?

Gardai used to stand outside a nightclub in Glenties in the 1990s and basically pick fights with the people leaving, thats the sort of sh1t that happened

blanch152

Bishop of hope wrote: »

The PSNI engaged in this?

Did you not know, it was the PSNI that carried out all those kneecappings.

James Brown

Bishop of hope wrote: »

The PSNI engaged in this?

I think you've misunderstood again Bish.
The PSNI are looking into a funeral and a poster was lamenting the time it's taking. I was saying it's preferable to what previously went on.

James Brown

blanch152 wrote: »

Did you not know, it was the PSNI that carried out all those kneecappings.

Can you show links to this claim?

blanch152

James Brown wrote: »

Do you think people flying in and out for holidays or funerals is going to help?

'worst in the world' is pretty remarkable.

We are not worst in the world, not by a longshot. As I pointed out, our case numbers and deaths per capita, horrific though they are, are below those in our neighbours to the North and to the East.

Who said people can fly in and out for holidays? The proposal put forward was for the island to be sealed off and all travel shut down. It couldn't work, it wouldn't work, that was pointed out on here, and the experts from NPHET have said the same. Accept it was wrong to propose it and move on.

Brendan Bendar

James Brown wrote: »

I think you've misunderstood again Bish.
The PSNI are looking into a funeral and a poster was lamenting the time it's taking. I was saying it's preferable to what previously went on.

What previously went on?

RandomViewer

blanch152 wrote: »

Did you not know, it was the PSNI that carried out all those kneecappings.

But happily passed on the floor plans of peoples houses to those that did,

James Brown

blanch152 wrote: »

We are not worst in the world, not by a longshot. As I pointed out, our case numbers and deaths per capita, horrific though they are, are below those in our neighbours to the North and to the East.

Who said people can fly in and out for holidays? The proposal put forward was for the island to be sealed off and all travel shut down. It couldn't work, it wouldn't work, that was pointed out on here, and the experts from NPHET have said the same. Accept it was wrong to propose it and move on.

You are back to point scoring with glee over the deaths from a pandemic in an effort to deflect from the government who at one point had the worst in the world.

Can you show where people said 'all travel'? I only heard Varadkar suggest that was the plan. Essential travel was never to be banned as far as I recall.
I stand by restricting travel to essential only. Has Holohan said that's pointless?

RandomViewer

I think anyone who flew back from holidays should have had their passport shredded in front of them and told thats it gone forever

Brendan Bendar

RandomViewer wrote: »

I think anyone who flew back from holidays should have had their passport shredded in front of them and told thats it gone forever

Bit harsh..... hit the pòca.... that hurts Pat most, he’ll dig underneath anything else.

RandomViewer

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Bit harsh..... hit the pòca.... that hurts Pat most, he’ll dig underneath anything else.

Nah, huge percentage of fines go unpaid, no passport would be a sharp shock

Brendan Bendar

RandomViewer wrote: »

Nah, huge percentage of fines go unpaid, no passport would be a sharp shock

I hear you


But the passport shredding wouldn’t have the public support.

The tools would oppose so no chance.

jimmycrackcorm

RandomViewer wrote: »

I think anyone who flew back from holidays should have had their passport shredded in front of them and told thats it gone forever

The thousands of cases we've had over recent weeks have little to do with people travelling. Misdirected.

blanch152

RandomViewer wrote: »

I think anyone who flew back from holidays should have had their passport shredded in front of them and told thats it gone forever

We don't like in a socialist republic. That can't be done.

FrancieBrady

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

The thousands of cases we've had over recent weeks have little to do with people travelling. Misdirected.

So why am I locked inside a 5km circle?
More confused messaging.

RandomViewer

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

The thousands of cases we've had over recent weeks have little to do with people travelling. Misdirected.

So Kent strain and South African strain aren't in circulation?

RandomViewer

blanch152 wrote: »

We don't like in a socialist republic. That can't be done.

So all drunk drivers will be getting their licences back over the weekend?

blanch152

RandomViewer wrote: »

So all drunk drivers will be getting their licences back over the weekend?

Removing people's passports. Think about it for a moment. Think about the places that do that and what they are like.

RandomViewer

blanch152 wrote: »

Removing people's passports. Think about it for a moment. Think about the places that do that and what they are like.

You only lose it for being an Ahole, same as drunk driving, we were told to sit in the house most of us did but some didn't, those that didn't deserve some form of sanction and having to sit in the house while everyone else can travel when safe to do so would be apt

blanch152

RandomViewer wrote: »

You only lose it for being an Ahole, same as drunk driving, we were told to sit in the house most of us did but some didn't, those that didn't deserve some form of sanction and having to sit in the house while everyone else can travel when safe to do so would be apt

Withholding a passport is a much more serious sanction than removal of a driving licence, and you want to impose this sanction without a court hearing. It seems like you favour the creation of a police state.

FrancieBrady

blanch152 wrote: »

Withholding a passport is a much more serious sanction than removal of a driving licence, and you want to impose this sanction without a court hearing. It seems like you favour the creation of a police state.

We are in a level 5 lockdown. I cannot move out of a 5km circle around my home.

Police state you say? Extraordinary times require extraordinary solutions.

Once again you have a problem for every solution. Bring them before a court if necessary.

blanch152

FrancieBrady wrote: »

We are in a level 5 lockdown. I cannot move out of a 5km circle around my home.

Police state you say? Extraordinary times require extraordinary solutions.

Once again you have a problem for every solution. Bring them before a court if necessary.

Under what legislation?

Interesting to see that human rights including the right to a passport, don't last very long on a Sinn Fein thread.

FrancieBrady

blanch152 wrote: »

Under what legislation?

Interesting to see that human rights including the right to a passport, don't last very long on a Sinn Fein thread.

Create the legislation. They can do it overnight if they are so motivated.

It's a suggestion blanch, nothing more...a solution. Something you diametrically oppose if it comes from anyone but the F FF nexus.