The wondrous adventures of Sinn Fein (part 2)

JohnnyFlash

jh79 wrote: »

The Finucanes are also representing Fat Freddy in his appeal for the murder of Daithi Douglas.

Some interesting posts in the Gangland Thread on the links between SF and the Kinnahans

God, that thread is worse than this one! Jonathan Dowdall. Now that’s a name from the past. When he was thrown out of SF wasn’t Kinehan’s cousin parachuted in?

jm08

According to this in Belfast Telegraph, Finucane does not represent the Kinahans.

John Finucane told Sunday Life he does not represent Mr Kinahan, and there is no suggestion that there was anything improper in the company previously accepting instructions from him.

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sunday-life/news/finucanes-firm-acted-for-dublin-crime-lord-daniel-kinahan-39609766.html

Dyr

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

God, that thread is worse than this one! Jonathan Dowdall. Now that’s a name from the past. When he was thrown out of SF wasn’t Kinehan’s cousin parachuted in?

Dunno about any Kinehan cousin but Dowdall would have been closer to the Hutches, who the Provos used to have a mutual understanding with back in he day, the Hutches being ODCs rather than drug barons back then.


Either the post-provos have left the stage entirely or the Hutches are no longer in their good graces because the Kinehans were none too concerned about upsetting the post-provos when they were murdering Hutches be the new time.

Either way, given the rumours that have been flying around about the goings on in the underworld, Finucane popping up with MTK and the Kinehans is a headache SF in the south could have avoided, unless they decided that it had to be done :eek:

Truthvader

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

God, that thread is worse than this one! Jonathan Dowdall. Now that’s a name from the past. When he was thrown out of SF wasn’t Kinehan’s cousin parachuted in?

Birds of a feather

You could justify a criminal practice taking on the legal aid Defence of criminal prosecution which is intended to ensure a fair trial (and based on the fiction that if a client tells you he is innocent you simply take his instructions and run the case accordingly

This is not the same thing as threatening a defamation action on behalf of a person with no reputation in exchange for money you know to be the proceeds of crime

jm08

Truthvader wrote: »

Birds of a feather

You could justify a criminal practice taking on the legal aid Defence of criminal prosecution which is intended to ensure a fair trial (and based on the fiction that if a client tells you he is innocent you simply take his instructions and run the case accordingly

This is not the same thing as threatening a defamation action on behalf of a person with no reputation in exchange for money you know to be the proceeds of crime

But, according to John Finucane, he doesn't represent Kinahan or his gang. Why are you still claiming that he does?

edit: Who he does represent are several boxers (like Conlon, Frampton & Barnes). If anything he was probably looking after their interests when signing contracts with MTK!

Truthvader

jm08 wrote: »

But, according to John Finucane, he doesn't represent Kinahan or his gang. Why are you still claiming that he does?

Whats this bollockology? He doesn't act for him now but did in the past until he as found out

FrancieBrady

jm08 wrote: »

But, according to John Finucane, he doesn't represent Kinahan or his gang. Why are you still claiming that he does?

edit: Who he does represent are several boxers (like Conlon, Frampton & Barnes). If anything he was probably looking after their interests when signing contracts with MTK!

Pointless jm08, these guys operate on 'allegation'. Get the allegation out there, no proof or back-up or court case needed. Purveyors of kangaroo courts that they will climb onto the high moral ground about in other postings.
John Finucane will if he gets his day in court accuse the British of the exact same thing when they colluded in the murder of his father. Also remember Rosemary Nelson, gunned down because of insidious allegations about her motives.

jm08

Truthvader wrote: »

Whats this bollockology? He doesn't act for him now but did in the past until he as found out

According to that article in Belfast Telegraph:


''Daniel Kinahan engaged Mr Finucane's firm, Finucane Toner, to send out legal letters after he was named as the head of one of the world's biggest drug cartels.''


2 letters were sent out last April threatening legal action. About 150 euros worth.

jm08

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Pointless jm08, these guys operate on 'allegation'. Get the allegation out there, no proof or back-up or court case needed. Purveyors of kangaroo courts that they will climb onto the high moral ground about in other postings.
John Finucane will if he gets his day in court accuse the British of the exact same thing when they colluded in the murder of his father. Also remember Rosemary Nelson, gunned down because of insidious allegations about her motives.

John Finucane is a tricky one for FFG/Indo because he would sue the pants off them. The only way they can slur his character is to use the like of TruthEvader claiming any old **** on message boards.

JohnnyFlash

Seems Kinehan’s money laundering organisation is a fan of the work of SF

grayzer75

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Seems Kinehan’s money laundering organisation is a fan of the work of SF

Hahahah I've seen some 5hite posted here today but thats top trumps lol.

dundalkfc10

So the way things are seen now is that people like Micheal O'Higgins SC is a supporter of cop killers because he defended Aaron Brady?

Dyr

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

So the way things are seen now is that people like Micheal O'Higgins SC is a supporter of cop killers because he defended Aaron Brady?

Again, he's a barrister, can't refuse clients on those grounds. He's also not an MP.


Dunno why this has to be explained, over and over.

Truthvader

jm08 wrote: »

John Finucane is a tricky one for FFG/Indo because he would sue the pants off them. The only way they can slur his character is to use the like of TruthEvader claiming any old **** on message boards.

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/s...-39609766.html

"Claiming" the same ****e as is in the Telegraph link above. Why lie. Its been posted several times

Truthvader

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Seems Kinehan’s money laundering organisation is a fan of the work of SF

Well they are another group with a similar interest in the end of the Special Criminal Court

jm08

Bambi wrote: »

Again, he's a barrister, can't refuse clients on those grounds. He's also not an MP.

Dunno why this has to be explained, over and over.

A couple of things.


1. MPs are allowed work 20 hours a week elsewhere (presumably because there isn't much job security in an MPs job).
2. From what we can see, Finucane's firm issued two letters on behalf of MKT Global last April, who several of his clients are contracted to, so was probably looking out for their interests rather than Kinahans. MTK Global were trying to distance themselves from Kinahan at the time as far as I can recall.
3. Its rather range that no other newspaper apart from the Belfast Telegraph seem to be pursuing this at the moment.

jm08

Truthvader wrote: »

Well they are another group with a similar interest in the end of the Special Criminal Court

As are Amnesty International and the Irish Council of Civil Liberties!

jm08

Truthvader wrote: »

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/s...-39609766.html

"Claiming" the same ****e as is in the Telegraph link above. Why lie. Its been posted several times

First of all that link does not work and secondly, just because it is posted on here several times doesn't mean that it is true.

blanch152

Bambi wrote: »

Again, he's a barrister, can't refuse clients on those grounds. He's also not an MP.


Dunno why this has to be explained, over and over.

That's two posters who don't understand the difference between a barrister and a solicitor.

jh79

gangstergossip wrote: »

There no such thing as x Provos or you mean everyone that was a provo is now an x provo. Everybody that launder diesel in South armagh are provis especially in Crossmaglen. The two brothers on that job there da is a well known provo and brady worked for them with the diesel and robbery. The youngest brother was 18 had his own house and drove a beamer. The Provo fundraisers in Boston took them all in after the robbery they still run a huge business in Boston. Brady and his mate fell out over there and he moved up to republicans in New York. The provos asked cancer to get the witnesses intimidated and he got Holland who's Barry Finnegan best mate and the rest the muppets to do it. This **** with jock I'm sick of saying it it wasnt the provos that got him done km did it on his own but cancer supplied the firework known who was to be taken out because jock wouldn't let cancer operate in the North and Cancer knew there was no come back to him on it. Your saying the Provos have enough money tg ere like a mafia sure if they had enough money why would they still need to be bringing in bogey smoke and washing up diesel after the Northern Bank robberry. Cancer has more money than the provis could dream of and they got greedy and wanted a piece. No coincidence the finucanes represent cancers fellas North and south of the border. There is a reason to stop it in the North same reason its stopped in the free state for the publics safety incase there's another regency and there's been bomb threats at all the mtk shows in the North. The provo and Sinn féin fanboys need to to realise everyone is wide to what's going on once you connect the dots ye see what's going on

Taken from the Gangland Thread. Cancer refers to Daniel Kinahan.

FrancieBrady

blanch152 wrote: »

That's two posters who don't understand the difference between a barrister and a solicitor.

Aaron Brady had a solicitor too.

Dyr

jm08 wrote: »

A couple of things.


1. MPs are allowed work 20 hours a week elsewhere (presumably because there isn't much job security in an MPs job).
2. From what we can see, Finucane's firm issued two letters on behalf of MKT Global last April, who several of his clients are contracted to, so was probably looking out for their interests rather than Kinahans. MTK Global were trying to distance themselves from Kinahan at the time as far as I can recall.
3. Its rather range that no other newspaper apart from the Belfast Telegraph seem to be pursuing this at the moment.

Page one of letter, first heading, in bold "Our client - Daniel Kinahan" No mention of MTK boxing.

I'd imagine John has more than 20 hours to spare for representing the likes of Kinahan given that its against his principles to attend Parliament.

Still though, situational principles are a vital tool for politcians, especially SF ones, when they're doing one thing up north and another in the south.
Schrodingers party at this stage

jh79

gangstergossip wrote: »

Brady has provo family the other people involved in the robbery were from provo family's. Brady worked for the Provos moving laundered diesel it was one the things he said in his defense that he lied before because he didn't want to get in trouble over the diesel. John Finucane represents all mtk boxers and it wasn't just a picture of him and mtk boxers in city Hall cancers right hand man af is also in the picture why would the Lord mayor get in a picture with him? Cancer has the provos and sinn féin in his pocket his own cousin is a member of sinn féin. Micheal Finucane is representing fat Freddie for his appeal. Cancer is willing to do anything to gqet sinn féin into power to wet the scc abolished so that he doesn't have to go on trial there when he's eventually deported. Provo form louth tried set mago up. Mtk can have shows in the free state but sinn féin insist they go on in the North even with all the threats rang in about them with codewords used. Cancer has fellas working in the North flooding the place with drugs and nothing happening to them. People don't want to see the truth they have a fantasy view of the provis and sinn féin but they sold out to drug dealers and that's a fact

gangstergossip wrote: »

It's well known now sinn féin and cancer are in bed mtk giving them a lot of donations and sinn féin insist all the money laundering shows go a head in Belfast even with bomb threats with code words used there not cancelled. Just look the other day with cancers rent boys lifted in the joy over witness intimidation in the Aaron brady trial Provos went to cancer to get the witnesses intimidated cancer and provos/sinn féin been in bed since jock was killed

Some more form the same thread

dundalkfc10

jh79 wrote: »

Some more form the same thread

Well if gangster gossip says its true, it must be :eek:

jm08

jh79 wrote: »

Some more form the same thread

I find it hard to actually follow what gangster is actually saying. Would I be right in interpreting that some Provos/former Provos have got a taste for the high life and the diesel laundering isn't keeping them in the style (18 year olds* owning their own house and driving BMWers) and are now interested into getting into the drugs game?


*PIRA was disbanded when by the time they were born!

jh79

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

Well if gangster gossip says its true, it must be :eek:

Well, it is true that
*SF give MTK preferential treatment in the North.
*The Finuncanes are representing both Frampton and Fat Freddy in court.
*Janice Boylan is 1st cousin to Cancer
*Aaron Brady worked with a well known Republican family and the Kinehans were involved in the intimidation of witnesses on their behalf.
*MTK bizarre documentary claims FG conspired in the Regency hit to keep SF out of government.
*MTK regularly tweet support for SF.

blanch152

jm08 wrote: »

I find it hard to actually follow what gangster is actually saying. Would I be right in interpreting that some Provos/former Provos have got a taste for the high life and the diesel laundering isn't keeping them in the style (18 year olds* owning their own house and driving BMWers) and are now interested into getting into the drugs game?


*PIRA was disbanded when by the time they were born!

PIRA has not been disbanded, it has just ceased terrorist activity.

The central leadership structures remain in place and the localised groups have evolved into criminal gangs, maintaining the same level of criminality.

jm08

Bambi wrote: »

Page one of letter, first heading, in bold "Our client - Daniel Kinahan" No mention of MTK boxing.

Can you post the letter as I haven't actually seen it. I was going from memory of what what happened around April.

I'd imagine John has more than 20 hours to spare for representing the likes of Kinahan given that its against his principles to attend Parliament.

When & where did he represent Kinahan?

Still though, situational principles are a vital tool for politcians, especially SF ones, when they're doing one thing up north and another in the south.
Schrodingers party at this stage

All politicians use situational principles.

IAMAMORON

jm08 wrote: »

Can you post the letter as I haven't actually seen it. I was going from memory of what what happened around April.





When & where did he represent Kinahan?






All politicians use situational principles.

I think you should give it up. I respect that you have a job to do, but no one posting here is pretending for a second that letters were not written by Finucanes' law firm on behalf of Daniel Kinahan. They are all over Twitter.

Throw in the boxing promotion, the heroin dealing and you can see the issue here.

It is disconcerting that even Sinn Féin employees are now being asked to support the largest crime syndicate in the country. It is even more worrying that they are doing so.

jm08

IAMAMORON wrote: »

I think you should give it up. I respect that you have a job to do, but no one posting here is pretending for a second that letters were not written by Finucanes' law firm on behalf of Daniel Kinahan. They are all over Twitter.

I think the claim was that John Finucane was writing letters on behalf of Kinahan, not his firm (which has 5 solicitors incl. Finucane).

Throw in the boxing promotion, the heroin dealing and you can see the issue here.

Promoting a boxing event in Belfast as Lord Mayor of Belfast? Whats wrong with that?

It is disconcerting that even Sinn Féin employees are now being asked to support the largest crime syndicate in the country. It is even more worrying that they are doing so.

Link please.