The wondrous adventures of Sinn Fein (part 2)

Bishop of hope

blanch152 wrote: »

I am surprised that it isn't more.

If you are happy with the way the country is at the moment, you are probably out there spreading the virus.

Most people are stuck at home, in bad weather, cursing everything or are out there risking your life working in an essential service. An opinion poll at the moment will reflect that feeling rather than anything to do with voting in a general election.

Next election won't be for four years, no point getting excited about opinion polls now. We have seen posters on here getting overly excited about Leo falling 10% in a poll when he has gone from the completely unprecedented 75% to the unprecedented before he was there, 65%.

For a while there i thought SF were up at 60% in the polls.

tikkahunter

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/employment-in-foreign-owned-multinationals-jumps-60-since-2010-1.4380800?mode=amp

So let’s tax these Bastards to high heaven !!!!

Companies who create this much employment should be given the tax breaks they get , What SF don’t mouth off about is the actual employees of the company who contribute massively in Tax Mostly at 52% , USC , PAYE and pay into pension funds . You penalise them companies and they pull out then you loose the contributions of the Thousands of people they employ then add to the live register and inflate the social welfare bill.

Truthvader

blanch152 wrote: »

I am surprised that it isn't more.

If you are happy with the way the country is at the moment, you are probably out there spreading the virus.

Most people are stuck at home, in bad weather, cursing everything or are out there risking your life working in an essential service. An opinion poll at the moment will reflect that feeling rather than anything to do with voting in a general election.

Next election won't be for four years, no point getting excited about opinion polls now. We have seen posters on here getting overly excited about Leo falling 10% in a poll when he has gone from the completely unprecedented 75% to the unprecedented before he was there, 65%.

Think your fooling yourself, Already 25% were happy to vote for Sinn Fein when things were going reasonably well. Apart from the full time Sinn Fein employees here many think "its all in the past" as regards their criminality while again and again people have shown that they swallow any "good times" story particularly if things are bad regardless of the source.

Truthvader

tikkahunter wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/employment-in-foreign-owned-multinationals-jumps-60-since-2010-1.4380800?mode=amp

So let’s tax these Bastards to high heaven !!!!

Companies who create this much employment should be given the tax breaks they get , What SF don’t mouth off about is the actual employees of the company who contribute massively in Tax Mostly at 52% , USC , PAYE and pay into pension funds . You penalise them companies and they pull out then you loose the contributions of the Thousands of people they employ then add to the live register and inflate the social welfare bill.

Yeah but TAX THE RICH is such an appealing message to the Sinn Fein mob they wont care

JohnnyFlash

Bishop of hope wrote: »

For a while there i thought SF were up at 60% in the polls.

That would be a wet dream for some of the first-time SF voters around here. Ain't going to happen though. SF remain repugnant to the vast majority of middle Ireland.



I'm an astute political animal, and feel that SF have probably shot their beans too soon. People are getting tired of the continuous fake outrage, bluster, online army bullying, and populist sound bites. That sort of auld rubbish will always appeal to a heady mix of the young, politically naive, and those of below average intelligence, but Shane and Sandra Swing Voter have already seen through the paper-thin veneer.



We've a great little country here, and we don't want or need "howya's" and "story buds" running the show. Have you actually listened to most of the SF TDs speak? Holy Mother of the divine Jaysus! Where did they get them?? :eek:

dundalkfc10

blanch152 wrote: »

I am surprised that it isn't more.

If you are happy with the way the country is at the moment, you are probably out there spreading the virus.

Most people are stuck at home, in bad weather, cursing everything or are out there risking your life working in an essential service. An opinion poll at the moment will reflect that feeling rather than anything to do with voting in a general election.

Next election won't be for four years, no point getting excited about opinion polls now. We have seen posters on here getting overly excited about Leo falling 10% in a poll when he has gone from the completely unprecedented 75% to the unprecedented before he was there, 65%.

People are not happy with the Govt repsonse to NHEPTS advice, try spin it anyway you like. Over 60% think they are not doing enough!!!

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/1014/1171568-covid-restrictions-opinion-poll/

Bishop of hope

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

People are not happy with the Govt repsonse to NHEPTS advice, try spin it anyway you like. Over 60% think they are not doing enough!!!

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/1014/1171568-covid-restrictions-opinion-poll/

Interesting poll, I'd have been in that somewhat unhappy camp myself too btw.
Enforcement is our biggest problem and the unhappy public not following guidelines also.
It's a standard stock question of course, are the govt doing enough.
The fairest answer is of course they probably were.
My question is are the public doing enough, certainly not imo is the answer to that.
A bit of cop on and the public should follow the medical advice, but that hasn't been happening apparently and we are depending on our govt to restrict us, never a good thing.
Remember a happy and compliant 90% are still not enough to contain or eradicate this virus, so anyone not happy with govt over this, need to look around at their own fellows, there's the problem in reality.

Things have moved on and changed since Monday BTW too.

maccored

tikkahunter wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/employment-in-foreign-owned-multinationals-jumps-60-since-2010-1.4380800?mode=amp

So let’s tax these Bastards to high heaven !!!!

Companies who create this much employment should be given the tax breaks they get , What SF don’t mouth off about is the actual employees of the company who contribute massively in Tax Mostly at 52% , USC , PAYE and pay into pension funds . You penalise them companies and they pull out then you loose the contributions of the Thousands of people they employ then add to the live register and inflate the social welfare bill.

Nick Hanauer (founded, cofounded or funded more than 30 companies across a range of industries ) disagrees - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKCvf8E7V1g

Nobotty

maccored wrote: »

Nick Hanauer (founded, cofounded or funded more than 30 companies across a range of industries ) disagrees - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKCvf8E7V1g

I think now America is a different case to Ireland
Taxing rich people in America is likely to have very little impact on jobs in Ireland

maccored

Nobotty wrote: »

I think now America is a different case to Ireland
Taxing rich people in America is likely to have very little impact on jobs in Ireland

what? He's discussing the theory that taxing companies results in job losses. doesnt matter what country

Finty Lemon

Why is it that all the areas of the island of Ireland with the most severe Covid numbers are also those with the highest support levels for SF?

maccored

Finty Lemon wrote: »

Why is it that all the areas of the island of Ireland with the most severe Covid numbers are also those with the highest support levels for SF?

because the shinners are spreading it. lets hear it - shinners are stupid and therefore spreading covid.

Christ almighty - is that the level ye's are at these days?

blanch152

maccored wrote: »

because the shinners are spreading it. lets hear it - shinners are stupid and therefore spreading covid.

Christ almighty - is that the level ye's are at these days?

no, that is not the point being made and you know that.

The point is the example shown by the leaders of Sinn Fein. Breach the regulations, don't apologise, don't resign, carry on.

The example shown by that is corrosive.

JohnnyFlash

Finty Lemon wrote: »

Why is it that all the areas of the island of Ireland with the most severe Covid numbers are also those with the highest support levels for SF?

Also the areas most into Irish country and western music.

stefanovich

maccored wrote: »

because the shinners are spreading it. lets hear it - shinners are stupid and therefore spreading covid.

Christ almighty - is that the level ye's are at these days?

They are certainly not experts in economics or epidemiology.

jh79

maccored wrote: »

what? He's discussing the theory that taxing companies results in job losses. doesnt matter what country

Have a look at the wiki for that talk. Forbes reported that he used incorrect data for his claim that unemployment rose when in reality it dropped.

Another criticism of the talk was his "apparent ruling out of entreprneurial [sic] initiative as a root cause of job creation."

dundalkfc10

blanch152 wrote: »

no, that is not the point being made and you know that.

The point is the example shown by the leaders of Sinn Fein. Breach the regulations, don't apologise, don't resign, carry on.

The example shown by that is corrosive.

Clare has the fourth-highest incidence of the virus in the country with an incidence per 100,000 of 307.2.

Meath (299.9), Cork (209.4), Sligo (207.5) and Limerick (192.4) also have an incidence rate above the national average.

Them ****ing Shinners leaders causing all these issues in Clare, Meath, Cork, Sligo and Limerick.

A disgrace

walshb

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

RTÉ poll tonight showing over 60% of people are not happy.

Not happy with what?

“Are you happy with the country? No, I’m not happy..“...

dundalkfc10

walshb wrote: »

Not happy with what?

“Are you happy with the country? No, I’m not happy..“...

"A majority of people believe that the Government should introduce further restrictions to control the spread of Covid-19 according to the latest Public Opinion Tracking Research conducted on behalf of the Department of Health by Amárach Research.

According to the tracker poll, which was conducted on Monday this week, 61% of adults think the Government should do more"

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/1014/1171568-covid-restrictions-opinion-poll/

The people think the Govt are not doing enough. Smart arse answers does not change that

Of course Mrs Green voter who never mentions the greens, liked your smart arse reply.

dundalkfc10

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

"A majority of people believe that the Government should introduce further restrictions to control the spread of Covid-19 according to the latest Public Opinion Tracking Research conducted on behalf of the Department of Health by Amárach Research.

According to the tracker poll, which was conducted on Monday this week, 61% of adults think the Government should do more"

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/1014/1171568-covid-restrictions-opinion-poll/

The people think the Govt are not doing enough. Smart arse answers does not change that

Of course Mrs Green voter who never mentions the greens, liked your smart arse reply.

Here’s a radical idea. Why don’t everyone in the country do their best to avoid contracting or spreading the virus by limiting their movements for the next few weeks.

jh79

maccored wrote: »

Nick Hanauer (founded, cofounded or funded more than 30 companies across a range of industries ) disagrees - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKCvf8E7V1g

Just watched it and it is only relevant to domestic industry where consumer demand is the driver of growth.

Vast majority of multinational in Ireland export their product, increasing disposable income in Ireland will have no effect on demand for these companies. The cost of producing the product (Corporation Tax et al), staff with the ability to produce the product and a tax regime that enables recruitment of staff at all levels are key for FDI.

As far as i can see, SF want to increase the tax the multinationals pay and also the tax the decision makers of these companies pay. How would doing this benefit Ireland's economy?

dundalkfc10

jh79 wrote: »

Just watched it and it is only relevant to domestic industry where consumer demand is the driver of growth.

Vast majority of multinational in Ireland export their product, increasing disposable income in Ireland will have no effect on demand for these companies. The cost of producing the product (Corporation Tax et al), staff with the ability to produce the product and a tax regime that enables recruitment of staff at all levels are key for FDI.

As far as i can see, SF want to increase the tax the multinationals pay and also the tax the decision makers of these companies pay. How would doing this benefit Ireland's economy?

"Meet the Kinahans" is back giving out about SF, shock

dundalkfc10

Deleted User wrote: »

Here’s a radical idea. Why don’t everyone in the country do their best to avoid contracting or spreading the virus by limiting their movements for the next few weeks.

I cant, have take the kid to school, collect him from school, visit my sick mother, do the shopping for my father, go to work. I just have to take my chances

maccored

blanch152 wrote: »

no, that is not the point being made and you know that.

The point is the example shown by the leaders of Sinn Fein. Breach the regulations, don't apologise, don't resign, carry on.

The example shown by that is corrosive.

how did you get that from 'Why is it that all the areas of the island of Ireland with the most severe Covid numbers are also those with the highest support levels for SF?'

blanch152

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

The biggest party in the 32 counties has them rattled like never before.

RTÉ poll tonight showing over 60% of people are not happy.

Expect this thread to be full to try and deflect

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

"A majority of people believe that the Government should introduce further restrictions to control the spread of Covid-19 according to the latest Public Opinion Tracking Research conducted on behalf of the Department of Health by Amárach Research.

According to the tracker poll, which was conducted on Monday this week, 61% of adults think the Government should do more"

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/1014/1171568-covid-restrictions-opinion-poll/

The people think the Govt are not doing enough. Smart arse answers does not change that

Of course Mrs Green voter who never mentions the greens, liked your smart arse reply.

Ha ha, didn't get the traction you wanted the first time, so you posted it again, with the addition of a personal dig to try and provoke a reaction.

The people think a lot of things.

Unfortunately for you, that poll doesn't mean a hill of beans and is being treated at such.

maccored

jh79 wrote: »

Just watched it and it is only relevant to domestic industry where consumer demand is the driver of growth.

Vast majority of multinational in Ireland export their product, increasing disposable income in Ireland will have no effect on demand for these companies. The cost of producing the product (Corporation Tax et al), staff with the ability to produce the product and a tax regime that enables recruitment of staff at all levels are key for FDI.

As far as i can see, SF want to increase the tax the multinationals pay and also the tax the decision makers of these companies pay. How would doing this benefit Ireland's economy?

He's talking about the theory that rich people create jobs. looks like you need to go watch it again. Its amazing the amount of keyboard economic geniuses on this forum.

McMurphy

Finty Lemon wrote: »

Why is it that all the areas of the island of Ireland with the most severe Covid numbers are also those with the highest support levels for SF?

Isn't that just as applicable to the areas within the lowest rate?

maccored

stefanovich wrote: »

They are certainly not experts in economics or epidemiology.

one of the richest parties in the country so they arent that stupid. those 'fact' things getting in the way again

jh79

maccored wrote: »

He's talking about the theory that rich people create jobs. looks like you need to go watch it again. Its amazing the amount of keyboard economic geniuses on this forum.

Well his theory doesn't stand up considering the data he presented was wrong and there was in fact a decrease in unemployment in correlation with decreasing tax.

Could you explain why you think this video is relevant to Ireland's economy so?

JohnnyFlash

maccored wrote: »

one of the richest parties in the country so they arent that stupid. those 'fact' things getting in the way again

They never really explained how a political party ended up owning 50 gaffs and having 200 people on their payroll. What these people actually do is another mystery.