The wondrous adventures of Sinn Fein (part 2)

blanch152

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Seriously? Is that the best you can do?

Any chance you would tell that Palestinian he is Israeli because he was born in Jerusalem?

FrancieBrady

blanch152 wrote: »

Any chance you would tell that Palestinian he is Israeli because he was born in Jerusalem?

Palestinians don't recognise Israel blanch they would get upset to be called Israeli not to mention what Israel has done.
Try and understand this stuff on your own island.

Stop trying to search out exceptions...makes you look desperate.

blanch152

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I have never seen a Palestinian react to someone saying that...I'd imagine it would be similar to a Southern partitionist telling somebody born in Fermanagh that they were British?

Yeh?

No, Francie,

it is similar to you telling Unionists they are Irish.

blanch152

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Palestinians don't recognise Israel blanch they would get upset to be called Israeli not to mention what Israel has done.
Try and understand this stuff on your own island.

Stop trying to search out exceptions...makes you look desperate.

Well, you could also try telling a Muslim in Kashmir that he is Indian.

FrancieBrady

blanch152 wrote: »

No, Francie,

it is similar to you telling Unionists they are Irish.

I've never told a Unionist they are Irish. Like I keep saying, if you meet two people born on the island of Ireland you assume they are Irish (and most of the world does this) they HAVE to tell you what they identify as.

blanch152

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I've never told a Unionist they are Irish. Like I keep saying, if you meet two people born on the island of Ireland you assume they are Irish (and most of the world does this) they HAVE to tell you what they identify as.

I don't. If I hear someone with a Northern accent, I assume they are Northern Irish, as do most people I know.

Getting back on topic, seeing as Sinn Fein appear to disagree with the Stormont government over the Covid-19 measures in the North, are they going to bring down Stormont over this crisis, or do they save that for really important issues like the Irish language act?

FrancieBrady

blanch152 wrote: »

I don't. If I hear someone with a Northern accent, I assume they are Northern Irish, as do most people I know.

Getting back on topic, seeing as Sinn Fein appear to disagree with the Stormont government over the Covid-19 measures in the North, are they going to bring down Stormont over this crisis, or do they save that for really important issues like the Irish language act?

You're nearly there..Northern IRISH.


Don't know the answer to your other question.

McMurphy

blanch152 wrote: »

I don't. If I hear someone with a Northern accent, I assume they are Northern Irish, as do most people I know.

So you assume they are from the northern part of the island of Ireland.......


Think that one through for a while chief.

FrancieBrady

McMurphy wrote: »

So you assume they are from the northern part of the island of Ireland.......


Think that one through for a while chief.

Like most Irish people we are all able to be area/region specific. I'd know a Southern Irish man or woman too.

atticu

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Seriously? Is that the best you can do?

Man down! Man down!
Tango Echo Lima Alpha, I repeat, Man down!
Send backup!
Send backup!


Francie, you are not Irish simply because you were born on the island of Ireland.

You can post it here as many times as you like, it won’t make it true.

FrancieBrady

atticu wrote: »

Man down! Man down!
Tango Echo Lima Alpha, I repeat, Man down!
Send backup!
Send backup!


Francie, you are not Irish simply because you were born on the island of Ireland.

You can post it here as many times as you like, it won’t make it true.

Like the other guy who walked into his own haymaker on this... there are exceptions to everything, you found ONE. Well done, medal is in the post.

dundalkfc10

What is the problem people have with folk in the 6 counties identifying as Irish or British as per the GFA? Some even identify themselves as Northern Irish if you ask them.

It's 2020 not the 1980s

FrancieBrady

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

What is the problem people have with folk in the 6 counties identifying as Irish or British as per the GFA? Some even identify themselves as Northern Irish if you ask them.

It's 2020 not the 1980s

Unionism in the 90's and 00's developed a hate of being called Irish or anything Irish and our partitionists and Unionist sympathisers in the south feel duty bound to support them. Ian Paisley's generation or even David Trimble's had no problems been seen as Irish, indeed they were fully aware that they were seen that way, off the island.

atticu

McMurphy wrote: »

So you assume they are from the northern part of the island of Ireland.......


Think that one through for a while chief.

I see backup arrived.

I don’t know what point you are trying to make here.

Are you trying to imply that if someone is from the northern part of the island of Ireland that this automatically makes them Irish?

atticu

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Like the other guy who walked into his own haymaker on this... there are exceptions to everything, you found ONE. Well done, medal is in the post.

Aaahhhh, Francie...

You have had to admit that you are wrong.
That is so sad. 😞

Bless!

FrancieBrady

atticu wrote: »

Aaahhhh, Francie...

You have had to admit that you are wrong.
That is so sad. 😞

Bless!

Yes...I wasn't talking about the 'exceptions'.

Try again.

FrancieBrady

atticu wrote: »

I see backup arrived.

I don’t know what point you are trying to make here.

Are you trying to imply that if someone is from the northern part of the island of Ireland that this automatically makes them Irish?

Did you read back that sentence?

atticu

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Did you read back that sentence?

Francie, you are like a dog with a bone that it can’t leave.

Just because you are born somewhere does NOT entitle you to citizenship.

We covered this a few minutes ago, yet here you are again trying to argue that it does.

FrancieBrady

atticu wrote: »

Francie, you are like a dog with a bone that it can’t leave.

Just because you are born somewhere does NOT entitle you to citizenship.

We covered this a few minutes ago, yet here you are again trying to argue that it does.

I never said anything about citizenship...citizenship is a legal issue.

There were Irish people before there were legal clauses about citizenship.


Go again there atticu, tis you who is searching around trying to find a bone, but can't.

McMurphy

atticu wrote: »

I see backup arrived.

I don’t know what point you are trying to make here.

Once again reading comprehension issues come to the fore.....

Are you trying to imply that if someone is from the northern part of the island of Ireland that this automatically makes them Irish?

No not at all, but you need to reread what was posted, and how I replied to it.

Blanch assumed (not me) when he heard someone with a northern accent that they "were northern Irish" - they could be Ethnic Albanians for all I care - but they're still from a specific area of Ireland, accents and all to prove it.

Hence why I said he assumed they where from the northern part of the island of Ireland, that's not difficult to follow tbh, but let me know what part you're struggling with and I'll run over it with you.

atticu

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I never said anything about citizenship...citizenship is a legal issue.

There were Irish people before there were legal clauses about citizenship.


Go again there atticu, tis you who is searching around trying to find a bone, but can't.

atticu wrote: »

Francie, you are not Irish simply because you were born on the island of Ireland.

You can post it here as many times as you like, it won’t make it true.

atticu wrote: »

Aaahhhh, Francie...

You have had to admit that you are wrong.
That is so sad. 😞

Bless!

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Yes...I wasn't talking about the 'exceptions'.

Try again.

Francie, you need to read what you post.

Just because you are born on the island of Ireland, don’t mean you are Irish, does not matter what accent you have.

Next you are going to try and tell me that if someone is born with male genitalia that this makes them a man.

FrancieBrady

atticu wrote: »

Next you are going to try and tell me that if someone is born with male genitalia that this makes them a man.

When he is born, before he can identify otherwise, what does a doctor call the baby, 'male or female'?

Try again atticu.

atticu

McMurphy wrote: »

Once again reading comprehension issues come to the fore.....



No not at all, but you need to reread what was posted, and how I replied to it.

Blanch assumed (not me) when he heard someone with a northern accent that they "were northern Irish" - they could be Ethnic Albanians for all I care - but they're still from a specific area of Ireland, accents and all to prove it.

Hence why I said he assumed they where from the northern part of the island of Ireland, that's not difficult to follow tbh, but let me know what part you're struggling with and I'll run over it with you.

The good thing is that you have clarified that just because someone is born on the island of Ireland, and has an accent from the island of Ireland that this does not make them Irish.

It seems that we actually agree on something.

Strange that you are disagreeing with Francie, but there you go.

McMurphy

atticu wrote: »

The good thing is that you have clarified that just because someone is born on the island of Ireland, and has an accent from the island of Ireland that this does not make them Irish.

It seems that we actually agree on something.

Strange that you are disagreeing with Francie, but there you go.

Alas wrong again.

This part.

atticu wrote: »

Francie, you are like a dog with a bone that it can’t leave.

Just because you are born somewhere does NOT entitle you to citizenship.

We covered this a few minutes ago, yet here you are again trying to argue that it does.

No-one said it did, you're arguing agsinst an argument no-one made and looking all the sillier for doing so.

atticu

McMurphy wrote: »

Alas wrong again.

This part.



No-one said it did, you're arguing agsinst an argument no-one made and looking all the sillier for doing so.

So, you are saying that if you are born in England, you are English, and if you are born in China, you are Chinese, and if you are born in Fiji you are Fijian, and if you are born in Ireland you are Irish.
It does not matter what the circumstances, it does not matter who your parents are, nothing else matters, just if you are born in a country.

beggars_bush

New hymn sheet has been delivered out to the foot soldiers

Sinn Fein are now the 'leaders of the opposition'

McMurphy

atticu wrote: »

So, you are saying that if you are born in England, you are English, and if you are born in China, you are Chinese, and if you are born in Fiji you are Fijian, and if you are born in Ireland you are Irish.
It does not matter what the circumstances, it does not matter who your parents are, nothing else matters, just if you are born in a country.

Where am I saying that?

Truthvader

Cant muster much interest in this debate. For what it is worth, the Duke of Wellington on being told he was Irish because he was born in Dublin retorted that if you are born in a stable it does not make you a horse. Hope this clears it all up for whatever this discussion is about.i

maccored

beggars_bush wrote: »

New hymn sheet has been delivered out to the foot soldiers

Sinn Fein are now the 'leaders of the opposition'

They have been for years now

maccored

Truthvader wrote: »

Cant muster much interest in this debate. For what it is worth, the Duke of Wellington on being told he was Irish because he was born in Dublin retorted that if you are born in a stable it does not make you a horse. Hope this clears it all up for whatever this discussion is about.i

totally agree - but is anyone arguing that people aren't allowed the option to choose? I think it has been bent out of shape - focusing on the idea that you are irish if you are born in ireland, rather than what it was about in the first place. Its a form of defence thats used alot on here, though which I find terribly boring.