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The wondrous adventures of Sinn Fein (part 2)
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FrancieBrady wrote: »Why be in danger of making a mistake blanch...go with the partitionist inferiority complex, self deprecating choice and assume we are all British 'again'.
BTW I can guarantee you if you travelled the north of this country assuming people as Northern Irish and not Irish, you would find more than a few 'outliers'. You once again reveal you know little to nothing about the place.
Sorry now Francie, it was you who introduced the concept of the geographical identifier, which ended up making us all British.0 -
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Being Irish is the birth right of every person born on the island of Ireland whether you or your fellow west brits like it or not.
Being British is also a birthright for every person born in the North.
One is not better nor holds any supremacy over the other.
Check the GFA.There would be very few people looking to change an Irish passport for a British passport but under the terms of the GFA
Yes, under the terms of the GFA... which is the point that SF/IRA agreed to.
Now, they want to rewrite the agreement.
Fellow loyalists? LOL, come off it!a load of your fellow loyalists switched the other way and got themselves Irish passports.
:DAs it says in page 3 of the Irish passport: It is the entitlement and birthright of every person born in the island of Ireland, which includes it's islands and seas, to be part of the Irish Nation.
That is actually wrong but..... people in the North can also opt for a British passport, or both....My 8 year old was born in county Armagh and is 100% Irish as is his mum who was born in county Down.
That is lovely, but I guess his mum made that choice for him.0 -
Being British is also a birthright for every person born in the North.
One is not better nor holds any supremacy over the other.
Check the GFA.
Yes, under the terms of the GFA... which is the point that SF/IRA agreed to.
Now, they want to rewrite the agreement.
Fellow loyalists? LOL, come off it!:D
Yes, people in the North can have an Irish passport, if they so wish, but the can also opt for a British passport, or both....
That is lovely, but I guess his mum made that choice for him.
So people from the North if they choose, are Irish. Glad that debates over0 -
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FrancieBrady wrote: »I am NOT deciding anyone's 'identity' Mark.
I am going to count to three....If his place of birth says Israel, then yes.
Hilarious. Jamie Heaslip is Israeli, not Irish..... who knew!!:D:D
His father was an officer in the Irish defence forces, hence his stay there.The GFA states the 'right' to identify as you wish. Can you identify as YOU wish as a newborn? No, of course you can't.
Correct, newborns would not have the maturity of cognitive ability do decide for themselves.You are the only one talking of the archaic notion of 'tribes' and 'claiming'.
I have done no such thing.
Oh but you have a raging hard-on, arguing with increasing force and desperation that newborn children in the North are Irish... before they can decide to be British.
That is your position, which is not at all written down in the GFA.All I have done is give them the geographical signifier of their place of birth.
Being born on the Island of Ireland, does not confer nationality or identity.
Unionist can argue, correctly by your logic that being born in the North confers Britishness. That is the same argument.So far your significant answer is 'babies born on the island of Ireland are 'nothing' until such time as they can choose an identity. Or does that doozie just apply to northern Unionists?
It applies across the board.
Why does this matter so much to you?
Why are you acting out in such supremacist terms?0 -
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I am going to count to three....
Hilarious. Jamie Heaslip is Israeli, not Irish..... who knew!!:D:D
His father was an officer in the Irish defence forces, hence his stay there.
Correct, newborns would not have the maturity of cognitive ability do decide for themselves.
Oh but you have a raging hard-on, arguing with increasing force and desperation that newborn children in the North are Irish... before they can decide to be British.
That is your position, which is not at all written down in the GFA.
Being born on the Island of Ireland, does not confer nationality or identity.
Unionist can argue, correctly by your logic that being born in the North confers Britishness. That is the same argument.
It applies across the board.
Why does this matter so much to you?
Why are you acting out in such supremacist terms?
No part of Ireland was ever Britain Mark...know your history. The name of the island has not changed.
Ireland is an island peopled by Irish people some of whom, by right, 'IDENTIFY' as British or Polish or whatever tickles their fancy.
I think ot matter a bt more to the two guys twisting and turning absurdities, such a newborn babies being from nowhere, or being able to specifically identify people who identify as Northern Irish by accent alone.
BTW, NOWHERE in the GFA is 'being British given as a birthright'.
Get this straight before continuing to embarrass yourself, the GFA gives the 'right to IDENTIFY as British or Irish to those born on the island of Ireland.0 -
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FrancieBrady wrote: »No part of Ireland was ever Britain Mark...know your history. The name of the island has not changed.
Ireland is part of the British Isles.
BTW, NOWHERE in the GFA is 'being British given as a birthright'.Irrespective of Northern Ireland's constitutional status within the United Kingdom, or part of a united Ireland, the right of "the people of Northern Ireland" to "identify themselves and be accepted as Irish or British, or both" (as well as their right to hold British or Irish citizenship or both) was recognised. By the words "people of Northern Ireland" the Agreement meant "all persons born in Northern Ireland and having, at the time of their birth, at least one parent who is a British citizen, an Irish citizen or is otherwise entitled to reside in Northern Ireland without any restriction on their period of residence.Get this straight before continuing to embarrass yourself, the GFA gives the 'right to IDENTIFY as British or Irish to those born on the island of Ireland.
You cannot even get the basics right.
To the people of 'Northern' Ireland, not the Island of Ireland....
Here, ill quote it again or you.Irrespective of Northern Ireland's constitutional status within the United Kingdom, or part of a united Ireland, the right of "the people of Northern Ireland" to "identify themselves and be accepted as Irish or British, or both" (as well as their right to hold British or Irish citizenship or both) was recognised. By the words "people of Northern Ireland" the Agreement meant "all persons born in Northern Ireland and having, at the time of their birth, at least one parent who is a British citizen, an Irish citizen or is otherwise entitled to reside in Northern Ireland without any restriction on their period of residence.
You are making a complete arse of yourself Francie when you cannot get the basics right.0 -
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Ireland is part of the British Isles.
BTW, NOWHERE in the GFA is 'being British given as a birthright'.
You cannot even get the basics right.
To the people of 'Northern' Ireland, not the Island of Ireland....
Here, ill quote it again or you.
You are making a complete arse of yourself Francie when you cannot get the basics right.
That is exactly what I said.
There is no mention of a 'birthright to be British'...it clearly says there is a 'right to identify as British or Irish'.
I'm making an ass of myself?:D:D
The British Isles is a long obsolete term and nobody uses it officially anymore. In order to win this argument it no surprise to anyone I am sure that you would take the side of the diehard Little Englanders and heartbroken imperialists, who try to insist on still using it.0 -
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