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Police shootings, vigilante shootings, and Black Lives Matter

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,363 ✭✭✭✭rossie1977


    nullzero wrote: »
    The 1994 Crime Bill has facilitated the incarceration of countless African Americans and it was introduced by the Clinton administration.

    But I thought Democrats did not care about crime...

    As for second part no. The Republicans two crime bills in the 1980s saw massive increase in incarceration. Following are details taken from USA today article.

    From 1980-94, the nation's prison population more than doubled on a per capita basis, from 139 prisoners per 100,000 American residents to 387, according to the federal government's Bureau of Justice Statistics for 1994.

    In 1980 alone, state and federal prisons posted a 12% increase in the number of inmates, with an average yearly increase between 1980 and 1994 of 8.7%. In 1989, the federal and state inmate population swelled by a whopping 13.5% as 84,764 new inmates joined the prison ranks.


    By contrast, from 1994 — the year the crime bill was passed — to 1995, the inmate population increased by 6.7%. The annual increase then dropped steadily for the next six years, from 5.1% between 1995-96 to 1.1% between 2000-01.

    During 2000, the prison population rose at the lowest rate since 1972 and had the smallest absolute increase since 1980

    The truth is, if you're black in America, neither the Republicans or Democrats really give a damn about you.

    Dems aren't perfect but they are a million times better than Republicans. I mean..

    https://twitter.com/AmandiOnAir/status/1270361553968205827


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭Mic 1972


    rossie1977 wrote: »

    Dems aren't perfect but they are a million times better than Republicans. I mean..


    Things have changed a lot since the last time Democrats were the good guys, Democrats are the establishment and all that comes with it


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,154 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    But the Dems pretend to care for the poor, but still screw them over.

    :confused:

    The GOP make the exact same claims but do even less. They normally wrap it in saying how 'elite' the Dems are and that means they don't care about them, the GOP candidate making those claims is usually a multi-millionaire and/or Ivy League grad.

    Just like Trump and Biden, any attempts to try to equate GOP and the Dems is drivel of the highest order. It is equating poison with a badly poured pint.

    To bring this back on topic, the GOP make similar laughable attempts when it comes to reforming police, stopping shooting, or supporting non-white groups. It is all window dressing at the very best.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,363 ✭✭✭✭rossie1977


    Mic 1972 wrote: »
    Things have changed a lot since the last time Democrats were the good guys, Democrats are the establishment and all that comes with it

    I just posted a bunch of bills that suggest only one party is the establishment.

    Pretty much every Democrat is for and every Republican is against the following :

    * Providing more affordable access to health care,
    * Raising the minimum wage,
    * Expanding living wage jobs via investments in infrastructure and sustainable energy,
    * Making college more affordable,
    * Expanding access to child care and pre-K, and
    Protecting and strengthening Social Security.

    Republicans and the msm have done a fantastic job of painting Democrats as the elite past 20-30 years no doubt. Trump was able to sell himself as a 'everyday man of the people' despite living in a gold tower while critising George Clooney a guy who worked himself up from nothing as 'elite'.

    It won't be long until AOC is being called 'privileged'. I give it 3 years max.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,154 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    Last night and the last few weeks have shown the claims earlier in the thread that MAGA/Far Right protesters deserved different treatment than BLM were as wrong as expected. The leader of the Proud Boys was arrested for leading the vandalising and burning parts of two black churches in DC (along with bonus firearms offenses).

    Despite being treated with with kid gloves compared to BLM protesters MAGA protesters are now turning on the police, hurling abuse at them and laughably dragging their 'thin blue line' flags on the ground. Though they are clearly getting special treatment apparently it isn't special enough for many of the protestors who seem to want the police to bow down to them because they were cheering when they were beating up BLM protesters.

    Thankfully last night BLM counter-protesters seemed to follow calls to stay at home and left the MAGA protesters make fools of themselves and hopefully that continues. Most of DC has been told to stay inside today due to the likely a bigger MAGA turnout today and how they'll look for trouble when things don't go their way later.

    https://twitter.com/aravosis/status/1346661056836468736?s=20


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭Mic 1972


    BLM protesters were treated with kid gloves, not the other way around :-)
    and apparently , antifa infiltrated the riots last night


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,684 ✭✭✭FatherTed


    Mic 1972 wrote: »
    BLM protesters were treated with kid gloves, not the other way around :-)
    and apparently , antifa infiltrated the riots last night

    Here we go. Wrong, wrong and delusional. Stay away from qanon/parler etc. Its good for your health. US Capitol police opened the doors for the trump supporters yesterday, taking selfies etc. A few months ago they pushed back the BLM protesters and fired tear gas for his upside-down bible stunt outside the church whose minister didn't want any part of it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,154 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    One of the few good things about yesterday was displaying to the world the two tier policing in the US that BLM protesters have highlighted for years. The cops have blame for the looting, vandalism, and have blood on their hands - for both the 4 dead and their injured colleagues. Hopefully when the investigations are complete we'll understand how much was incompetence and how much was leniency.

    First we how different cops react when 'threatened' by white people and black and what the law lets them away with. Less than 24 hours before the riot in the Capitol, Kenosha DA decided not to press charges on a cop who put 7 bullets in the back of a black man at point range, just inches from his kids. This was despite there two other cops present for support and the victim not even facing the officer. Now look at yesterday, how a mob of white terrorists can chase and officer up flights of stairs and he doesn't even draw his weapon.

    https://twitter.com/igorbobic/status/1346911809274478594?s=20

    Then look at how unaggressive the cops were - here is the same Capitol police dealing with disabled protesters and then the mob yesterday, the former get arrested and dragged out while they let the mob waltz by them, took selfies with them, and literally held the door as they walked out without arrest.

    https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/877923923958038528?s=20

    https://twitter.com/mattmiller757/status/1346944869588230144?s=20

    The most obvious thing was how they chose to be completely under prepared yesterday, in both numbers and gear, while going to the complete opposite extreme when there are black protesters. There are plenty of pictures and videos of the DC and Capitol police during the BLM summer protests, with thousands of cops/national guard/unmarked military roaming the streets whereas yesterday they had a few hundred mostly bike cops and in regular uniforms. Below is how police treated a completely peaceful BLM violin vigil in remembrance of a man they murdered.

    https://twitter.com/jessiedesigngal/status/1277126019246260224?s=20


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,494 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    Mic 1972 wrote: »
    BLM protesters were treated with kid gloves, not the other way around :-)
    and apparently , antifa infiltrated the riots last night

    Antifa were not present last night at the capitol. That's a damn lie.

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,261 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
    °°°°°


    Brian? wrote: »
    Antifa were not present last night at the capitol. That's a damn lie.

    I thought they didn't exist to begin with.


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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,494 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    nullzero wrote: »
    I thought they didn't exist to begin with.

    No one said that. That’s a nice little straw man you like to burn for heat any chance you get.

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,261 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
    °°°°°


    Brian? wrote: »
    No one said that. That’s a nice little straw man you like to burn for heat any chance you get.

    New year same old Brian.

    You didn't get a sense of humour for Christmas I see.

    Happy New year to you.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,154 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    Brian? wrote: »
    No one said that. That’s a nice little straw man you like to burn for heat any chance you get.

    What can you expect, yesterday their whole worldview narrative was destroyed. They have nothing left


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,261 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
    °°°°°


    Foxtrol wrote: »
    What can you expect, yesterday their whole worldview narrative was destroyed. They have nothing left

    They?

    I'm not a Trump supporter, something I've stated numerous times, but don't let facts bog you down.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,494 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    nullzero wrote: »
    New year same old Brian.

    You didn't get a sense of humour for Christmas I see.

    Happy New year to you.

    That was supposed to be a joke? I’ve read better from a Christmas cracker.

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,261 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
    °°°°°


    Brian? wrote: »
    That was supposed to be a joke? I’ve read better from a Christmas cracker.

    As comebacks go, that wasn't a cracker.


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    We all know had the group that entered Capitol Hill been BLM then the place would have been burned and looted.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 51,614 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    We all know had the group that entered Capitol Hill been BLM then the place would have been burned and looted.

    But it was looted? And BLM were in Washington before and didn't see fit to occupy government buildings. That's something trump supporters like to do.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,335 ✭✭✭Potatoeman


    This is a great start to the year for memes.

    What’s going through peoples mind at these protests? Both the Trump protests and the BLM protests. Facial recognition software and phones everywhere, you’ll be unemployable, if not now in a few years.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,335 ✭✭✭Potatoeman


    Foxtrol wrote: »
    One of the few good things about yesterday was displaying to the world the two tier policing in the US that BLM protesters have highlighted for years. The cops have blame for the looting, vandalism, and have blood on their hands - for both the 4 dead and their injured colleagues. Hopefully when the investigations are complete we'll understand how much was incompetence and how much was leniency.

    First we how different cops react when 'threatened' by white people and black and what the law lets them away with. Less than 24 hours before the riot in the Capitol, Kenosha DA decided not to press charges on a cop who put 7 bullets in the back of a black man at point range, just inches from his kids. This was despite there two other cops present for support and the victim not even facing the officer. Now look at yesterday, how a mob of white terrorists can chase and officer up flights of stairs and he doesn't even draw his weapon.

    https://twitter.com/igorbobic/status/1346911809274478594?s=20

    Then look at how unaggressive the cops were - here is the same Capitol police dealing with disabled protesters and then the mob yesterday, the former get arrested and dragged out while they let the mob waltz by them, took selfies with them, and literally held the door as they walked out without arrest.

    https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/877923923958038528?s=20

    https://twitter.com/mattmiller757/status/1346944869588230144?s=20

    The most obvious thing was how they chose to be completely under prepared yesterday, in both numbers and gear, while going to the complete opposite extreme when there are black protesters. There are plenty of pictures and videos of the DC and Capitol police during the BLM summer protests, with thousands of cops/national guard/unmarked military roaming the streets whereas yesterday they had a few hundred mostly bike cops and in regular uniforms. Below is how police treated a completely peaceful BLM violin vigil in remembrance of a man they murdered.

    https://twitter.com/jessiedesigngal/status/1277126019246260224?s=20

    The Trump supporters are mostly Blue lives matter supporters so they are far less likely to attack the police. The BLM protesters are mostly anti-police so they will always increase the police numbers so they are not isolated with a crowd that don’t like them. If you were a cop which protest would you prefer to police?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,042 ✭✭✭Carfacemandog


    Potatoeman wrote: »
    The Trump supporters are mostly Blue lives matter supporters so they are far less likely to attack the police. The BLM protesters are mostly anti-police so they will always increase the police numbers so they are not isolated with a crowd that don’t like them. If you were a cop which protest would you prefer to police?
    It has been announced that a police officer was killed during this terror attack, with several more still in hospital.

    We saw just how disingenuous the "blue lives matter" crowd were on Wednesday with multiple acts of violence against police despite them (the police) being very restrained, many if which happened with crowds of those 'blue' flags all around them.

    They're pro authoritarianism and pro fascism, not pro police - and they showed that in spades the other day.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,494 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    Potatoeman wrote: »
    The Trump supporters are mostly Blue lives matter supporters so they are far less likely to attack the police. The BLM protesters are mostly anti-police so they will always increase the police numbers so they are not isolated with a crowd that don’t like them. If you were a cop which protest would you prefer to police?

    1 police officer was killed. Several more are in hospital.

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,335 ✭✭✭Potatoeman


    Brian? wrote: »
    1 police officer was killed. Several more are in hospital.

    That’s what happens in a mob, next time there will be far more police.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 51,614 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    Potatoeman wrote: »
    The Trump supporters are mostly Blue lives matter supporters so they are far less likely to attack the police. The BLM protesters are mostly anti-police so they will always increase the police numbers so they are not isolated with a crowd that don’t like them. If you were a cop which protest would you prefer to police?

    BLM. Trump supporters are gun toting nutjobs. The fact that the police had to let themselves be over run shows that the police presence at this 'protest' was insufficient. If the police had of reacted the way they do at BLM protests there would have been a gun battle.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,335 ✭✭✭Potatoeman


    Retr0gamer wrote: »
    BLM. Trump supporters are gun toting nutjobs. The fact that the police had to let themselves be over run shows that the police presence at this 'protest' was insufficient. If the police had of reacted the way they do at BLM protests there would have been a gun battle.

    That depends on the states open carry laws but they should have been more prepared after Trump lost the election and after the attempted kidnapping of Whitmer. It’s like a dinner bell has been rang for all the nut jobs over there. I wouldn’t want to have been a democrat in that chaos.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,154 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    Potatoeman wrote: »
    The Trump supporters are mostly Blue lives matter supporters so they are far less likely to attack the police. The BLM protesters are mostly anti-police so they will always increase the police numbers so they are not isolated with a crowd that don’t like them. If you were a cop which protest would you prefer to police?

    Trump supporters aren't pro cops, they simply just pro cops beating and killing black people. The failure of Capitol Police to understand this led to the destruction and death we saw this week.

    We've seen again and again right wing white protesters attack abuse police for doing anything other than bow down to them and allow them to do whatever they want. We got to a new level on Tuesday when they beat a cop to death with a fire extinguisher but it won't be the last time they'll kill a cop.

    Here some of white right wing last weekend stamping on the blue live matter flag when they weren't allowed to attack BLM protesters.

    https://twitter.com/FordFischer/status/1345416959987503105?s=20


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,345 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    https://twitter.com/beccalew/status/1347060930819936256


    This whole conspiracy theory about the people who broke into the Capitol actually being AntiFA all along is next-level. It's almost like they are seeing how ridiculous they can push things and see if people still take the bait


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,154 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    https://twitter.com/beccalew/status/1347060930819936256


    This whole conspiracy theory about the people who broke into the Capitol actually being AntiFA all along is next-level. It's almost like they are seeing how ridiculous they can push things and see if people still take the bait

    At this stage most Trump supporters and far right fall into two groups, just like most cults - completely deluded or consistently coming from a bad faith position. They have been able to twist in the wind to support every Trump pivot to every time Q hasn't been 'right'.

    The laughable thing here is a load of them spent a load of their own money to travel to DC and did exactly what Trump asked for now to be labeled by him as ANTIFA for the PR benefit of the cult.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,335 ✭✭✭Potatoeman


    Foxtrol wrote: »
    Trump supporters aren't pro cops, they simply just pro cops beating and killing black people. ]

    When you open with that how can anyone take what you say next seriously? Almost half of the country voted for him. He has a lot of support from the military and police but they lean conservative anyway.


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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,433 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    Retr0gamer wrote: »
    But it was looted? And BLM were in Washington before and didn't see fit to occupy government buildings. That's something trump supporters like to do.

    In fairness, the siege of the Federal Courthouse in Portland indicates that they are not always respecters of federal property either.
    That depends on the states open carry laws but they should have been more prepared after Trump lost the election and after the attempted kidnapping of Whitmer.
    DC is not an open carry city. In fact, it's almost impossible to conceal carry there either. Of course, like everywhere else, it's always possible someone is unlawfully armed, but with reference to Congress, relative firearms permissiveness wasn't a factor.

    With respect to the police selfies, the experience of German police when a right-wing group there attempted to storm the Bundestag in August may be relevant. They, too, were initially posing for selfies, at the time considered to be an attempt to maintain a positive, non-hostile attitude. There was, however, no correlation between that, and their performance when the atmosphere did become hostile regardless, and the attempt to breach the building failed.

    I believe but am certainly open to correction, that this was the first time in this Presidency that a right-wing group attempted to unlawfully mob a government building. Previous times such mobbing has occurred (eg Michigan, Virginia Statehouses, and both times well armed) they had generally respected police lines and followed the law. That probably was reflected both in the Capitol Police's actions, and the decision by the DC leadership to not mobilise any more forces on their side than they did. Doubtless a leaning towards overcorrecting the perception from the BLM protest also had an effect.
    Potatoeman wrote: »
    When you open with that how can anyone take what you say next seriously? Almost half of the country voted for him. He has a lot of support from the military and police but they lean conservative anyway.

    I can't help but wonder just how many people didn't so much vote 'for him' as much as they did 'anti-Democrat' or 'pro-party'. It's worth noting that even though military do lean conservative, more of them were leaning Biden than Trump. A full 49% of the active duty personnel polled in August viewed Trump "very unfavourably". https://www.militarytimes.com/news/pentagon-congress/2020/08/31/as-trumps-popularity-slips-in-latest-military-times-poll-more-troops-say-theyll-vote-for-biden/


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