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Police shootings, vigilante shootings, and Black Lives Matter

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,170 AbusesToilets
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    everlast75 wrote: »
    I noticed the way you cannot be certain on that point...

    Yes, and? Does that change the veracity of the rest of what I said?


  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,486 Quin_Dub
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    2Mad2BeMad wrote: »
    I agree he needed to be arrested,

    I seen a short video of the shooting (yes most likely edited)
    But as many people know police in America generally draw there weapons when a person is refusing to cooporate.
    The man refused and they tried to taser him, when that didnt work they shot him,
    but in there "slight defence" the lad opened his car door and reached in.
    9 Shots though was overkill imo.

    I've seen videos of police officers just randomly pulling a car over and then getting shot at.
    The country is nuts for fire arms, and thats why they act the way they do.
    The lad shouldn't of leaned into is car, it does look as if hes going to grab something. And if its your life or his, your gonna pull the trigger.

    Again I only saw a short video of it and most likely edited.

    Remember , they went from pulling up in their cars to shooting the guy in less that 2 minutes.

    There's no conversation there , there's now "Calm down , let's all take a breath" or whatever.

    As I've said before, the fundamental problem with the Police in the US isn't necessarily Racism (although it absolutely does play a huge role) it's the fact that they aren't really "Police" in terms of how we think about a typical Police officer here or in most other countries. Tey are an armed response unit.

    Their entire training is premised on "taking down the bad guy" and reacting with overwhelming force to every single situation.

    They are hammers and everyone looks like a nail to them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,657 Tell me how
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    Absolutely, don't believe I've ever argued against it. That doesn't remove responsibility for criminal actions. There's a choice there, same as for anyone else.

    It's not the same for everyone else.

    The cause and effect of a black person in a disenfranchised neighbourhood is going to be very different to that of an educated wealth 'leafy suburbs' type.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,545 droidus
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    I'm not entirely convinced either, but Blake's actions in response to the police drove the outcome. If he had simply stopped as commanded, at any point, he likely doesn't get shot.

    Why didnt this guy get shot?

    https://twitter.com/RexChapman/status/1299490732194107397


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,170 AbusesToilets
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    droidus wrote: »

    It's a different circumstance, the officer didn't feel it was sufficiently threatening of a situation presumably.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,536 briany
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    droidus wrote: »
    Why didnt this guy get shot?

    > Black people used to be slaves in the States
    > They were freed from that but continued to face a hangover from that of discrimination and oppression
    > This discrimination has contributed to a continuing wealth gap between blacks and whites

    > This has led to black communities that are deprived of economic opportunity and have higher crime rates
    > Cops have had to deal with black crime and a prejudice has formed within their ranks that blacks are more given to crime and are more dangerous to deal with.
    > Cops are therefore more nervous around black people
    > Cops therefore have more of a tendency to react harshly around them than they would in the same situation with a white person.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,824 Fr Tod Umptious
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    droidus wrote: »

    Because hundreds of thousands of interactions between police and people of all races happen every year.
    Many can be aggressive like that one.

    But very very few end up in shootings.

    So I'd say there are plenty more examples like the one posted where no one of any colour gets shot.

    Does that answer your question, or does it not suit the narrative you want to push ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,824 Fr Tod Umptious
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    briany wrote: »
    > Black people used to be slaves in the States
    > They were freed from that but continued to face a hangover from that of discrimination and oppression
    > This discrimination has contributed to a continuing wealth gap between blacks and whites

    > This has led to black communities that are deprived of economic opportunity and have higher crime rates
    > Cops have had to deal with black crime and a prejudice has formed within their ranks that blacks are more given to crime and are more dangerous to deal with.
    > Cops are therefore more nervous around black people
    > Cops therefore have more of a tendency to react harshly around them than they would in the same situation with a white person.
    Very similar to our own attitude towards travellers.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,170 AbusesToilets
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    It's not the same for everyone else.

    The cause and effect of a black person in a disenfranchised neighbourhood is going to be very different to that of an educated wealth 'leafy suburbs' type.

    Is there an external force, putting a gun in their hands and making them shoot? You can make every excuse you want, but they choose the life they lead, just as those make it out and life successful, productive lives choose differently.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,043 Carfacemandog
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    Is there an external force, putting a gun in their hands and making them shoot?
    Would you say the same for Kyle Rittenhouse?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,170 AbusesToilets
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    Would you say the same for Kyle Rittenhouse?

    I'd say the multiple people assaulting him were sufficient external force to warrant a response, but you already know my thoughts on the incident. He made his choice in the moment, and will.live the consequences, whatever they end up being.


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    I'd say the multiple people assaulting him were sufficient external force to warrant a response, but you already know my thoughts on the incident. He made his choice in the moment, and will.live the consequences, whatever they end up being.

    With this logic, an active shooter is only defending themselves.

    He was attacked after he killed someone. The crowd were acting in self defense.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,170 AbusesToilets
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    With this logic, an active shooter is only defending themselves.

    He was attacked after he killed someone. The crowd were acting in self defense.

    Once again, you lie and twist events, despite clear video evidence to contrary. Why so? He was attacked before he shot anyone, as the video shows. He fired the second time after being knocked to the ground and attacked with a deadly weapon. At no point was he agressing towards the crowd, so claiming they acted in self defense is ludicrous.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,043 Carfacemandog
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    I'd say the multiple people assaulting him were sufficient external force to warrant a response, but you already know my thoughts on the incident. He made his choice in the moment, and will.live the consequences, whatever they end up being.
    We don't know what happened prior to him entering the video, other than that shots were fired, so you can leave the excuses aside and let me know what external force exactly it was that put the gun in his hands and marched him to Kenosha, in a state he isn't even from?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,536 briany
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    Rittenhouse had no business being there. He wasn't defending his business, nor was he a registered EMT. His posse asked to be depustised by the police and that request was refused. He was a vigilante.

    That's not to say he wasn't acting in self-defense at the point when he was down on the ground, but that is to say he was utterly stupid to come down in the first place, and that'll count against him in court.


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    We don't know what happened prior to him entering the video, other than that shots were fired, so you can leave the excuses aside and let me know what external force exactly it was that put the gun in his hands and marched him to Kenosha, in a state he isn't even from?

    We have video showing exactly what happened. He was with a group, ostensibly guarding the business they were at. The BLM crowd set a dumpster on fire, Rittenhouse put it out, which incensed the crowd. So they attacked him


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 938 Steve012
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    Maybe too many "cops" have seen video's like these.



    I remember about 15 years ago watching an American police show, with that bad boys theme choon to it,
    Police had stopped a car with 5 white teenagers at night, long an short of it. a teenage girl went for her phone in back seat and one cop opened fire the the second officer, 4 teenagers we killed on the spot. no guns, or drugs found.

    Nasty to see was that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,043 Carfacemandog
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    We have video showing exactly what happened. He was with a group, ostensibly guarding the business they were at. The BLM crowd set a dumpster on fire, Rittenhouse put it out, which incensed the crowd. So they attacked him
    Link me to said video that shows the full incident and why Kyle Rittenhouse specifically was chased please.

    And again let me know exactly which external force forced Rittenhouse to a whole different state before putting an AR15 in Rittenhouse in his hands in the first place?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,170 AbusesToilets
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    Link me to said video that shows the full incident and why Kyle Rittenhouse specifically was chased please.

    And again let me know exactly which external force forced Rittenhouse to a whole different state before putting an AR15 in Rittenhouse in his hands in the first place?



    This video breaks it down. Prior to this interaction, Rittenhouse was busy cleaning graffiti.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,824 Fr Tod Umptious
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    Steve012 wrote: »
    Maybe too many "cops" have seen video's like these.

    I remember about 15 years ago watching an American police show, with that bad boys theme choon to it,
    Police had stopped a car with 5 white teenagers at night, long an short of it. a teenage girl went for her phone in back seat and one cop opened fire the the second officer, 4 teenagers we killed on the spot. no guns, or drugs found.

    Nasty to see was that.

    I'm going to call BS on that.

    The show with Bad Boys as the theme music was "Cops"
    It used to air on Saturday nights on Fox.
    I seriously doubt that a scene were people are shot dead would have made it to prime time network television.

    I used to watch it all the time.
    It usually involved them pulling over some toothless wonder for a broken tail light and finding that he had a hooker in the car and 20 bags of weed stuffed under the seat.


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    This video breaks it down. Prior to this interaction, Rittenhouse was busy cleaning graffiti.
    So you don't have a video showing exactly what happened and why he was being chased.

    I see you're uncomfortable with answering what external power forced him to go to another state and arm himself with an AR15, not surprised though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,170 AbusesToilets
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    So you don't have a video showing exactly what happened and why he was being chased.

    I see you're uncomfortable with answering what external power forced him to go to another state and arm himself with an AR15, not surprised though.

    It literally shows the event leading up to it? Did you not watch it at all?

    His motivation to go to kenosha was to protect the businesses and clean graffiti seemingly. You appear determined to willfully misinterpret my statement about an external power. That was clearly made in relation to taking responsibility for one's actions, which is not something applicable to Rittenhouse.

    https://twitter.com/livesmattershow/status/1299058504813035520?s=20 the relevant tweet, since you struggle to watch the video


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 938 Steve012
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    I'm going to call BS on that.

    The show with Bad Boys as the theme music was "Cops"
    It used to air on Saturday nights on Fox.
    I seriously doubt that a scene were people are shot dead would have made it to prime time network television.

    I used to watch it all the time.
    It usually involved them pulling over some toothless wonder for a broken tail light and finding that he had a hooker in the car and 20 bags of weed stuffed under the seat.

    Nah, it was on that after watershed


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,043 Carfacemandog
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    It literally shows the event leading up to it? Did you not watch it at all?

    His motivation to go to kenosha was to protect the businesses and clean graffiti seemingly. You appear determined to willfully misinterpret my statement about an external power. That was clearly made in relation to taking responsibility for one's actions, which is not something applicable to Rittenhouse.

    https://twitter.com/livesmattershow/status/1299058504813035520?s=20 the relevant tweet, since you struggle to watch the video
    I had already seen that video in full, and as I said it does not show exactly what happened. We have no idea if someone randomly targeted Rittenhouse out of nowhere, if Rittenhouse did something like sicker punch someone, if any of the gunshots we can hear immediately before Rittenhouse entered the frame in the frame where we see him kill someone were fired by him or others.

    The irony is your "external force" comment was talking about making excuses for people committing violence, yet here you are doing the exact same thing.

    Rittenhouse, who has a proven violent past, decided to do what appears to be breaking the law in open carrying an AR15 after curfew in a riot zone under 18, and in an entirely different state to where he lives. I would be interested to know what led him to this mindset exactly (and exactly how he got his hands on an AR15 as well as from whom), just as I am interested to know why gang members or the likes also seem attracted to violent situations and where those trails lead.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,545 droidus
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    Because hundreds of thousands of interactions between police and people of all races happen every year.
    Many can be aggressive like that one.

    But very very few end up in shootings.

    So I'd say there are plenty more examples like the one posted where no one of any colour gets shot.

    Does that answer your question, or does it not suit the narrative you want to push ?

    I just find it interesting that a set of behaviours (aggression, refusal to comply, entering a car) that apparently justifies murder in one case seemingly doesn't justify it in another case.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 52,636 Retr0gamer
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    Anyone thinking it's ok to take a human life to protect property is utterly disgusting.

    Kyle Rittenhouse seems like a classic incel and I'm not surprised people tried to disarm a teenager that looked like he could have been taking part in a school massacre.


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    I had already seen that video in full, and as I said it does not show exactly what happened. We have no idea if someone randomly targeted Rittenhouse out of nowhere, if Rittenhouse did something like sicker punch someone, if any of the gunshots we can hear immediately before Rittenhouse entered the frame in the frame where we see him kill someone were fired by him or others.

    The irony is your "external force" comment was talking about making excuses for people committing violence, yet here you are doing the exact same thing.

    Rittenhouse, who has a proven violent past, decided to do what appears to be breaking the law in open carrying an AR15 after curfew in a riot zone under 18, and in an entirely different state to where he lives. I would be interested to know what led him to this mindset exactly (and exactly how he got his hands on an AR15 as well as from whom), just as I am interested to know why gang members or the likes also seem attracted to violent situations and where those trails lead.

    Proven violent past, based on him apparently intervening in a fight involving his sister, versus a convicted peadophile and a convicted domestic abuser. Right on.

    As to your claim that we don't know what sparked the fight, it's readily apparent that Rosenbaum and BLM did. He clearly and repeatedly looked to escalate to physical confrontation. There is also clear evidence of a BLM member firing a pistol into the air. All of which has been posted in this thread and the one on AH previously.

    Please continue your false assertions, in the face of clear evidence to the contrary.


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    Retr0gamer wrote: »
    Anyone thinking it's ok to take a human life to protect property is utterly disgusting.

    Kyle Rittenhouse seems like a classic incel and I'm not surprised people tried to disarm a teenager that looked like he could have been taking part in a school massacre.

    Anyone who thinks it's ok to destroy other people's property is utterly disgusting. Am I doing it right? Glad to see you're following the example of BLM's leaders on condoning violence and destruction in the name of justice.


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    If Kyle Rittenhouse was black I wonder how far he would have gotten...

    And a video from Drew Hernandez isn't evidence. He is a well known hardcore Trump supporter than dresses up as antifa attempting to incite violence then video it.


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    rossie1977 wrote: »
    If Kyle Rittenhouse was black I wonder how far he would have gotten...

    And a video from Drew Hernandez isn't evidence. He is a well known hardcore Trump supporter than dresses up as antifa attempting to incite violence then video it.

    Are you claiming he doctored the video, because it's pretty clear in its own right.


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    Proven violent past, based on him apparently intervening in a fight involving his sister, versus a convicted peadophile and a convicted domestic abuser. Right on.

    As to your claim that we don't know what sparked the fight, it's readily apparent that Rosenbaum and BLM did. He clearly and repeatedly looked to escalate to physical confrontation. There is also clear evidence of a BLM member firing a pistol into the air. All of which has been posted in this thread and the one on AH previously.

    Please continue your false assertions, in the face of clear evidence to the contrary.
    Which "false assertions", that Kyle Rittenhouse beat the **** out of a girl? Given that you're the one here claiming to have video of something you don't, and who is trying to pass off your imagination as fact, that's a bit rich.

    You have no idea if Kyle Rittenhouse sucker punched Rosenbaum like he did to that girl, or if Rosenbaum attacked him without provocation, or if Rittenhouse let off one of the shots heard before the shooting video began, or if Rosenbaum or anyone else did. Claims that you do know despite having no video evidence of what happened that led to Rittenhouse being chased, nor having been there yourself, are simply you making things up. This is a fact.

    But yeah here's Kyle Rittenhouse and a gang of his mates beating the **** out of a girl if it's what you were calling claiming was a false assertion. Feel fee to continue to defend him on it, and the 'external power' that made him and a gang of his mates assault her.

    https://twitter.com/kirkacevedo/status/1300136807405744129


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 52,636 Retr0gamer
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    Anyone who thinks it's ok to destroy other people's property is utterly disgusting. Am I doing it right?

    I'm not a sociopath so like to put one ahead of the other in importance. The one that is owned by big faceless business and can be replaced any time being the lesser of the two
    Glad to see you're following the example of BLM's leaders on condoning violence and destruction in the name of justice.

    And true to form yet more strawman arguments.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,170 AbusesToilets
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    Which "false assertions", that Kyle Rittenhouse beat the **** out of a girl? Given that you're the one here claiming to have video of something you don't, and who is trying to pass off your imagination as fact, that's a bit rich.

    You have no idea if Kyle Rittenhouse sucker punched Rosenbaum like he did to that girl, or if Rosenbaum attacked him without provocation, or if Rittenhouse let off one of the shots heard before the shooting video began, or if Rosenbaum or anyone else did. Claims that you do know despite having no video evidence of what happened that led to Rittenhouse being chased, nor having been there yourself, are simply you making things up. This is a fact.

    But yeah here's Kyle Rittenhouse and a gang of his mates beating the **** out of a girl if it's what you were calling claiming was a false assertion. Feel fee to continue to defend him on it, and the 'external power' that made him and a gang of his mates assault her.

    https://twitter.com/kirkacevedo/status/1300136807405744129

    A video of a fight between teenagers, where it appears one is Rittenhouse's sister, that he intervenes in. Have you ever been in a fight in your life? Should you now be morally condemned for all time? You have any context to incident in the video of the fight, or are you so desperate for a gotcha moment that you don't even care?

    Two felons, convicted of sexual assault and domestic battery, actively engaged in destruction and violence. Your attempts at whataboutery and moral equivalency are transparent and pathetic.

    It's frankly astonishing the length you'll go to deny what's clearly posted. You realise everyone else can watch those videos. If you have a competing piece of evidence, by all means post it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,502 Potatoeman
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    You’re not going to get the full picture of anyone involved in these incidents on either side until the court cases. There’s a lot of spin from both sides.


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    Retr0gamer wrote: »
    I'm not a sociopath so like to put one ahead of the other in importance. The one that is owned by big faceless business and can be replaced any time being the lesser of the two



    And true to form yet more strawman arguments.

    So you are arguing that it's ok for rioters to destroy communities with impunity. When the police have abandoned their duties, business owners shouldn't be allowed to defend their livelihoods. Would you say the same thing for a mob coming to burn you out of your home?

    " Fire away lads, your right to loot is more important than my life"

    Embarrassing


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    Destruction of property and premeditated murder are not in the same category of crimes, its not even in same ballpark. You have a few hundred years of law and punishment in US that would highlight the difference between the two. One does not excuse the other, I understand Russian trolls love resorting to whataboutism but this grade of whataboutism is taking the piss altogether.

    Btw the Declaration of Independence (and now dollar bills) literally in its opening lines has this
    "Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness"

    There is no mention of property anywhere in this "sacred" document

    Why do you hate America?

    Please show where premeditated murder occured and where I argued in support of it. I find it hilarious that you and other supporters are so quick to defend the rights of a mob to riot and destroy a community, while at the same time speaking of justice. Where is the justice for the business owners whose life investments have been erased? Where is the justice for the workers out of a job because their work has been looted and forced to shut down? Where is the justice for people terrorised in their homes for having the temerity of making a comfortable for themselves?

    You want to throw some ****e about me hating America, why do you hate society? It seems you are against the most basic tenets of it, that one should be safe and free from terror


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    That will be illustrated in a court of law, law and order remember?

    So far we have clear evidence of a young man travelling far away with a military grade weapon to deliberately shoot people. The prosecutors can make their case, it is not my job.



    But you do hate America, I pointed out that the founding document of United States puts life above all else with no mention of property. Same goes for the Constitution, and hundreds of years of case law precedent.

    Why do you continue to equate destruction of property (yes it is a crime) to be on the same level as premeditated murder possibly the most egregious crime in criminal law, maybe equivalent to Treason, which of course Trump is very much also involved in.

    Yawn. You argument is as empty as your morals. You are lying about the incident involving Rittenhouse, as we have ample evidence of what his intentions were in traveling to Kenosha. Namely cleaning graffiti and later protecting a business from rioters. The group that did actually travel with a view to commiting violence. As clearly evidenced by the behaviour of Rosenbaum and others in multiple videos. A group who were likely illegally armed, given the many felons present in their group. So why do insist on lying again and again?

    No murder took place at all imo, and I'm pretty confident that the court case will show that. What you have made clear is how utterly morally bankrupt you are, that you would give so little care for the lives ruined by these rioters.


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    Did the shop owners get shot? Did they happen to be black and shot 7 times each?

    Death is a very final event, destruction of property is not ...

    We get it, you support the rioting and destruction of property.


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    Did the shop owners get shot? Did they happen to be black and shot 7 times each?

    Death is a very final event, destruction of property is not ...

    John Ward was shot dead by Paddy Nally over repeated break ins. There was huge support for him and political pressure not to charge him with murder.

    If it’s your property, it fine and many people would have no issue killing thieves. So life isn’t always seen as more valuable than property.


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    Nope i clearly wrote that yes it is a crime but nowhere near the same level of crime as premeditated murder. You continue to try to equate both.

    BTW you support bounties and murder of US services personel by supporting Trump's continued treason crime. so to quote yourself it shows

    Again, there's no premeditated murder, but continue to lie about that.

    Given my personal background, your efforts at trying to get a raise out of my by accusing me of being un-American is genuinely hilarious.


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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,486 Quin_Dub
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    Agree to disagree and move on please.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,383 rossie1977
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    Once again how far does Rittenhouse get if he is black. Do you think the police just let him walk back up the street rifle in tow...


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    So you are arguing that it's ok for rioters to destroy communities with impunity. When the police have abandoned their duties, business owners shouldn't be allowed to defend their livelihoods. Would you say the same thing for a mob coming to burn you out of your home?

    " Fire away lads, your right to loot is more important than my life"

    Embarrassing

    No I'm not arguing with you at all because all you can come out with are strawman arguments like this one and the one previously. There's nothing to argue about because I never made those arguments. Anyway you have made your mind up. You're a lost cause.

    Same strawman garbage from you again talking about us supporting the looting and rioting. Nobody said that. There's a difference to the right to protest which people are talking about.

    So stop embarassing yourself and educate yourself.


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    Retr0gamer wrote: »
    No I'm not arguing with you at all because all you can come out with are strawman arguments like this one and the one previously. There's nothing to argue about because I never made those arguments. Anyway you have made your mind up. You're a lost cause.

    Same strawman garbage from you again talking about us supporting the looting and rioting. Nobody said that. There's a difference to the right to protest which people are talking about.

    So stop embarassing yourself and educate yourself.

    Are you calling yourself a straw man, because those are your arguments. You've made your position quite clear at this point.


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    rossie1977 wrote: »
    Once again how far does Rittenhouse get if he is black. Do you think the police just let him walk back up the street rifle in tow...

    Below is what Clay Higgins, a House Representative from Louisiana thinks. This is from within the last 48 hours, which Facebook have since deleted for inciting violence.

    It is telling that Clay Higgins managed to find one of the only black militias to include a picture of at the bottom, rather than any of the huge numbers of white militias that have been active and on the streets during this time.

    It is even more telling that Clay Higgins has previously identified with and encouraged others to join white) militias with ties to white supremacism: https://www.desmogblog.com/2018/10/18/congressman-clay-higgens-gas-industry-three-percenters

    It continues to get more telling when Clay Higgins has ties to more than just one militia with ties to white supremacism, and has attended and spoken at their rallies: https://www.bayoubrief.com/2018/08/13/captain-of-the-militia/

    It is also very much worth noting that Clay Higgins is a former police officer.

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    Are you calling yourself a straw man, because those are your arguments. You've made your position quite clear at this point.

    All looting is unacceptable.
    All looters should be prosecuted.
    Shooting at someone is not a reasonable response to looting.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,170 AbusesToilets
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    All looting is unacceptable.
    All looters should be prosecuted.
    Shooting at someone is not a reasonable response to looting.

    Shooting at someone because they are attacking you with a deadly weapon, however, is.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 52,636 Retr0gamer
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    Shooting at someone because they are attacking you with a deadly weapon, however, is.

    Like a skateboard?


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,734 Manic Moran
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    Shooting at someone is not a reasonable response to looting.
    Rooftop Koreans disagree with you. So do a few business owners from this year in places like Atlanta and San Antonio.

    It may not be their lives they are being deprived of, but it often is their livelihoods or their life’s work. There is a reason that they are often shown distraught after having received the attentions of looters. Who are rioters or looters to destroy the lives of others?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,657 Tell me how
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    Rooftop Koreans disagree with you. So do a few business owners from this year in places like Atlanta and San Antonio.

    It may not be their lives they are being deprived of, but it often is their livelihoods or their life’s work. There is a reason that they are often shown distraught after having received the attentions of looters. Who are rioters or looters to destroy the lives of others?

    I categorically disagree with looting, but to make excuses for lethal force being used on people doing it is just that, making excuses and an acceptance of that would explain why America, more than any other developed country in the world has seen an increasing level of paranoia and violence as more and more take the approach of shooting first, asking questions later. It has not worked.


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