Should people who dont follow guidelines lose their jobs/welfare

Wanderer78

Mad_maxx wrote: »

you implied low income people couldnt be expected to comply

nope, i didnt

Mad_maxx

smellyoldboot wrote: »

In some ways we only pay welfare because it's cheaper than maintaining an even larger prison system and police force. The cost of peace. It doesn't deter all crime but prevents a good deal of crimes of desperation that would otherwise be rampant. There's plenty scamming it/taking advantage and even some we pay for who you'd happily see starve but in a more harsh environment these types would be more desperate and likely more violent so to a certain degree you have to just hold your nose and get on with it.

how then was crime much lower sixty years ago despite money (including welfare ) being much scarcer ?

the view that we must continue lavishing people with largesse in case they do harm is absolutely bankrupt in terms of setting precedents and encouraging good citizenship , it expresses a horrible lack of faith in people too

IAMAMORON

Eventually they will fine you or incarcerate you for not getting chipped. It is only a matter of time.

We are all being farmed.

amadangomor

IAMAMORON wrote: »

Eventually they will fine you or incarcerate you for not getting chipped. It is only a matter of time.

We are all being farmed.

Username checks out.

Wanderer78

Wanderer78 wrote: »

if we start locking up a sh1te load of people, i suspect many taxpayers are gonna be concerned about the potential increase in their taxes, in order to facilitate these actions

We already lock up a lot of people. Cost shouldn't be a factor in Justice

Wanderer78

Mad_maxx wrote: »

how then was crime much lower sixty years ago despite money (including welfare ) being much scarcer ?

the view that we must continue lavishing people with largesse in case they do harm is absolutely bankrupt in terms of setting precedents and encouraging good citizenship , it expresses a horrible lack of faith in people too

crime is extremely complex, its virtually impossible to compare different generations for many reasons, including crime.

say wha! so offering them this 'large' amount of money and others things, 'free' houses etc, is causing them to behave badly, or something?

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

We already lock up a lot of people. Cost shouldn't be a factor in Justice

any suggestions how we could reduce, or better, abolish the cost factors of justice?

Pkiernan

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

For all you know, they have a disability which means they are recommended not to mask.

But that's irrelevant. At the moment, public transport is only supposed to be used for journeys which are "absolutely necessary". You shouldn't have been there for a totally unnecessary jaunt to the museum. You should be fined as much as the non mask-wearer..

I'll quit my job right away.

That'll be 62000 euro less in tax for Revenue...i believe that pays for dole for 6 people.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

Pkiernan wrote: »

With all the virtue signalling, everyone in the public eye who doesnt follow guidleines is losing their jobs.

Should this be extended to people on low profile normal jobs?
What about the lowlifes you see on the Dart not wearing masks? By the same logic they should be losing their dole money?

Phil Hogan may be a jackass, but its a big loss to Ireland, and his behaviour is no worse then huge swathes of our population.

Is it a case that successful people should know better than us common folk?

Do you pull the lad off yourself imagining various scenarios where people have their welfare taken away?

Wanderer78

Pkiernan wrote: »

I'll quit my job right away.

That'll be 62000 euro less in tax for Revenue...i believe that pays for dole for 6 people.

maybe you could scam the dole of 6 peoples worth, claiming all your taxes back?

Electronic Writer

Wanderer78 wrote: »

...and i thought i come up with some weird sh1t, being a lefty!

Are you a lefty , weird sh1t ? Do you mean , weird g1ck ?

Wanderer78

Electronic Writer wrote: »

Are you a lefty , weird sh1t ? Do you mean , weird g1ck ?

no no weird sh1t

Electronic Writer

Wanderer78 wrote: »

so it could potentially cost the taxpayer more, and its unclear if it will prevent people from braking the rules....

do we need to rethink this approach?

Would righty , not so lefty , have you believe taxpayers pay for everything , when all they pay is their tax.


People on the dole get paid from public funds .

Grab All Association

With the protests going on around the world, misinformation and conspiracy theories coming over from the USA (Unbelievably Irish people are believing Republican/GOP propaganda about HSE Universal Healthcare death panels and communism) restrictions will just have to be dropped now and we’ll just have to try to cope with a massive wave of infection and potentially a high number of deaths.

The alternative is civil unrest and rioting that could go on for months. We will not be able to contain this virus and closing the stable door whilst the horse has long bolted Is only going to make it worse. People are already suffering from lockdown fatigue.

Special thanks to the meat producers, covidiots, Trumptards, the Irish freedom party, brexiteers, Trumptards, Golfgate, National Party, Gemtrails.

We are bent over a barrel here unfortunately

Trumptards was mentioned twice on purpose

Wanderer78

Electronic Writer wrote: »

Would righty , not so lefty , have you believe taxpayers pay for everything , when all they pay is their tax.


People on the dole get paid from public funds .

ah shur most citizens pay taxes including the unemployed, but to be fair to workers, most , if not all are getting shafted, in many ways, and the fire sectors have a lot to answer for also

Electronic Writer

IAMAMORON wrote: »

Eventually they will fine you or incarcerate you for not getting chipped. It is only a matter of time.

yeh.

Electronic Writer

Wanderer78 wrote: »

any suggestions how we could reduce, or better, abolish the cost factors of justice?

Give judges free dinners in Galway , sorry McDonalds.

Electronic Writer

Pkiernan wrote: »

That'll be 62000 euro less in tax for Revenue...i believe that pays for dole for 6 people.

no , that €62000 pays your tax bill.


I went into a shop and paid €10 for call credit.



Shopowner went for lunch and spent €10 on a sambo.


Sambo shop owner went on holiday and bought a pint and bag of crisps.



What else did I pay for ?

BloodBath

Pkiernan wrote: »

I'll quit my job right away.

That'll be 62000 euro less in tax for Revenue...i believe that pays for dole for 6 people.

So you earn around 130k a year and you're crying about people on the dole?

Talk about entitled.

Wanderer78

Electronic Writer wrote:

Shopowner went for lunch and spent €10 on a sambo.

Poor bastard, he was robbed, should have asked his local deco, they're always good at 'aquiring' these things

Mongfinder General

Electronic Writer wrote: »

no , that €62000 pays your tax bill.


I went into a shop and paid €10 for call credit.



Shopowner went for lunch and spent €10 on a sambo.


Sambo shop owner went on holiday and bought a pint and bag of crisps.



What else did I pay for ?

So the shop owner didn't pay tax on the 10 euro?

Mongfinder General

Electronic Writer wrote: »

Would righty , not so lefty , have you believe taxpayers pay for everything , when all they pay is their tax.


People on the dole get paid from public funds .

What exactly do public funds consist of ?

Electronic Writer

Mongfinder General wrote: »

What exactly do public funds consist of ?

All monies collected on behalf of the Irish people.

Mongfinder General

Electronic Writer wrote: »

All monies collected on behalf of the Irish people.

You mean VAT, excise, income tax, stamp duty, motor tax, property tax, corporation tax etc. In other words, taxation.

Wanderer78

Wanderer78 wrote: »

any suggestions how we could reduce, or better, abolish the cost factors of justice?

Limit legal aid payments.

Stop welfare completely when inside. At the moment it's only after 2 weeks

Take fines at source. Start at 10% and work up. If the continue to recieven fines, bye bye dole

Evict continued anti social behavior without rehoming. I'm not an ogre, let's say 3 times rehoused and your done

Maximum payment under both child benefit and single parent. Capped at I dunno, 4 kids? That's higher than most families

Have a start likes 3 strikes. Not the severe but say, ten? Keeping them inside to do a sentence would be cheaper than housing and feeding them on the outside old the cost of their revolving door court appearance

Electronic Writer

Mongfinder General wrote: »

So the shop owner didn't pay tax on the 10 euro?

Is that rhetorical? Recursively , is this ?


So, twas the easiest example to demonstrate the principle that I only paid for the call credit, nothing more , only that.


Some may think they pay their tax and are entitled having the money spent on whatever they choose in preference to whatever is good for everybody, they aren't. LLLLLefty!

Electronic Writer

Mongfinder General wrote: »

You mean VAT, excise, income tax, stamp duty, motor tax, property tax, corporation tax etc. In other words, taxation.

Taxation is the source of income rather than the terminology for the asset of the peoples' wealth.

ILoveYourVibes

This govt would be over if they threatened BOTH people on welfare and those who have jobs.

Mrs OBumble

Pkiernan wrote: »

I'll quit my job right away.

That'll be 62000 euro less in tax for Revenue...i believe that pays for dole for 6 people.

Travelling to your job is absolutely necessary. It may have even been essential.

Travelling to take your kids to the museum is not at all necessary.

If you're earning enough to be paying 62k in tax, then I expect you know the difference. I am also ... surprised ... if you are catching public transport to work.

SouthWesterly

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

my mileage makes phil hogans look miniscule, it's funny watching the amazement of some people at the fact he can do 5 counties in one day

I do 6 in a day regularly

Electronic Writer

SouthWesterly wrote: »

I do 6 in a day regularly

Santa Claus was audited and found to have done 32 in one day. Unbelievable as it seems, he did only claim to have done it on one particular day.